40 percent of americans believe in creationism

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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 8:22 am » by Fasteddie


SHOCKING totally nuts, talking snake etc all that bullshit its a new gallop poll i wont post a link cause you can google it yourselves....scares me

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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 9:49 am » by Mediasorcerer


too right,makes you wonder who is behind this deception,seems like someone somewhere wants to keep some folks stupid.it never dawns on folks that the whole christian/islam/buddhism/judaism and the rest of religion was designed for the masses to keep them away from the truth,
its hard for people,who feel so strong about it,to sit back and grasp why they have been misled with these religions,
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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 10:20 am » by SamueltheLion


actually, i think this is a sign that there is -something- in the world religions which is true,
and because of that, many are willing to endure slander and ridicule, for believing what they have felt to be right.

but "whatever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might"...

It's good that people believe, It's good that there are we who question belief,
Blind faith is the problem, not faith alone,
or would you throw the first stone?

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"As long as men continue to believe absurdities,
Men will continue to commit attrocities"... Voltaire,

How true.

Yet, the truth also seems absurd sometimes, until you comprehend it.

Very simply put: What is so ridiculous about creationism; the idea that divine intelligence created all that is, when you take away all the dogmatic insistance upon certain unverifiable events?

Or about the immaculate conception?
I mean, we can fertilize 'in vitro' already,
imagine what a culture/ civilization which we call "gods" would be able to do?
Send sperm through light? Why not.

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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 12:23 pm » by Eldorado


Allright FastEddie.......wake up buddy.

.....they believe because there is no other proof to compel them to believe in.....no real scientific fact. The entire cache of fragmented bones relating to the Darwinian theory of evolution .....can fit in the back of a Pickup Truck.

Compared with thousands of years of ancient temple building in the most ornate manners relating to perfect astrological alignment, your story just don't fly.......... tells me someone had to have advanced viewing optics on earth then......or had a view from the sky/space..........and that there was truly a creator figure of our races on earth.

If we didn't get dropped off here from the "wheels in the sky"....then are you telling me that evolution happened and WE evolved from monkeys right? Hominids moving into stages of Homo Sapiens. No way.......

Records show three distinct different forms of Humanoid.....the others found were evolutionary experiments (Hominids) that led to the abandoning of the experiments, hence the reason so few bones were found of the most ancient "races".............only to create a newer and more advanced race, time after time after cyclic catastrophes happened......

Records show that the Earth was an ancient Reptilian settlement....complete with the "terrible lizards" or dinosaurs. They created this Jurassic Park at the furthest extent of their exploration here on earth......The earth was in Pangea...or a whole land mass surrounded by water with a few other places surfacing, like antarctica.

Many other "beings" were able to make a covenant to settle here in peace after the "Meteorite" (or collision of the satellite planet of Niburu spoken about in Mesopotamian Tales..............it struck the earth with a moon, and now we have the moon in our orbit left behind.) caused the "extinction".......and the different "being" races were all living in different parts of this planet.........but many had to abandon their settlements and didn't take their experiments with them. The earth was now broken into its plates................tectonics began.....and the continents separated over the years (ages). The Earth began a transformation into the volcanic erupution phase....some of the dinosaurs were wiped out by the impact and blast shockwave, and then the rest died off from suffocation as the earth became a smoke filled planet from the activity of volcanoes, which caused a loss of oxygen for many, and then the loss of vegetation and starvation for some, as the last surviving carnivores roamed till death.....This is why the Ancient fish species are still being found....because this all happened above ground.
Records show that the "beings" had returned after the reptilians and others fled ......to create again........"Human" culture was then begun as an experiment to create a half-man/half-animal being we call the Yeti or Abominable Snowman, and the other varieties of ape-men like cro-magnon.......and were not too successful.....creating only a small number before the next major catastrophe was caused by another polar shift..........caused from the next return of the planet we call Nibiru. Because of the impact......we were knocked off course and the scientists have speculated that we were cast into a longer winter after the volcanoes cooled, and then lost its core internal fire a great deal, combined with the orbit now changed due to new magnetic pole location, caused a global cooling that became an age that didn't end for a while. (A spinning top will return to the original point of it's apex of rotation after being bumped around...as did the earth).
After the Ice Age melted a small bit....they returned and were able to create a second "race" that was known as the Neandertal, in the north.....and the Pre-Aboriginal to the south.....these were the first "races" that were able to achieve communion with the same creator god, all recognizing the stars as "heavenly", the earth a place of tribal unification, pagan spirits were attributed to their origins. etc., began tool making etc.........Aboriginal African descendants have a different 46+2 combination of genetic composition than the rest of the Aryan peoples.......and it shows that they have different genetics because they are clearly of an ancient origin, and more prepared for the harshness of the roaming lives they lived......some died off.....but the success of the second "race" was evident as the genetic analysis showed likenesses in the descendants of the races once thought to roam the earth, and were still present today on earth. Others began to descend during these times.....Dogon, Sumerians, Asians, Vedans, and the Native American (Annunaki) began to appear here. The next time the planet Nibiru returned ....the "Great Flood" occurred. And many of the people were drowned. Few survived to continue to breed here.....always aware that they had been wiped out by a re-occurring tragedy on earth. Documented on the temple walls everywhere. Now we are discovering the temples under the water as well across the Pacific, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Atlantean in the Mediterranean.
The third "race" created was the "sun worshiping race"....or Aryan race.............who had been genetically cross-bred with the reptilian, the annunaki, the nephilim, and the races of beings that originated from the constellation Orion. This is why Hitler was on the path to raise up the "Aryan Race" or "Master Race"....his Thule society was so anthropologically interested in the origins of man and ancient history that they must have discovered the stories that I now read as a common video on the web, and knew that these men and women had achieved a state that no other race would ever achieve due to conflicting evolutionary factors, and that it was the path that had been taken in the series of ancient experiments, granting Hitler a justification in his mind that the other "races" were inferior, or destined for death. He felt the interbreeding would cause a serious degradation of the advancement of his people, sought to segregate and to take control over the evolution of a species without actually being one of them, leading to the death of many from the adaptation of a US Eugenics Program, begun here, and sent to Germany as an experiment through the same group that had began to try to control the lives of thousands in the Americas, after the turn of the century in the early 1910's and 1920's. Oh yeah and the US school systems.........they really taught you the truth didn't they......all those years spent diggin' holes and robbing graves to have a guy like me figure it out all by himself.

This ends our history lesson today....back for more tomorrow................and don't ask me to prove anything I just said.............there's not enough time in a day to link all of the info into one post. And you probably would just run away from the truth being such devout believers yourselves.
No excuse to not recognize all of the different races as a sign that many different things happened here, none of which happened from the ape man becoming more human over time..........just doesn't happen.
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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 12:28 pm » by Mediasorcerer


and the world is only 6000 yrs old,yeh,sure,thats an insult to god,i do believe something divine created all that is,but not in the way its sold to me by religions.
if it makes you happy being told what to believe,even though many have studied,for many years,and concluded that there is deception or deliberate misunderstanding being perpetrated ,then believe it,i choose to divine the answers thru older and more reliable and culturally relevant sources than the bible,it was written and made for jewish folks,im not jewish,so its not as relevant than my own cultures mythologies and history,unfortunately,deceitful people in places of power have demanded that this is the source for spiritual wisdom,with disasterous results for countless millions of innocent folks throut the ages,no wonder humanity is still squabbling today,

as for the ridiculous,how about the earth is flat?????we all know who perpetrated that myth dont we,and who was demonised for denying it,

the rabbit hole goes so deep,that plenty wont go down it far enough to realise theyve been deceived,and sold a book of disinformation.but i challenge you to have the guts to do just that,even tho u may not like what you find.
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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 12:29 pm » by 7hidden7agenda7


samuelthemule wrote:actually, i think this is a sign that there is -something- in the world religions which is true,
and because of that, many are willing to endure slander and ridicule, for believing what they have felt to be right.

Wrong.. it is a sign that no matter what evidence or logic you bring to the table, some people will still firmly cling to their outdated, irrational beliefs.

Very simply put: What is so ridiculous about creationism; the idea that divine intelligence created all that is, when you take away all the dogmatic insistance upon certain unverifiable events?

that's a different thread. this is 40% believe in Strict, 7day Creation of everything, 10kyears ago.

gallup poll wrote:According to a recent Gallup poll, 4 out of 10 Americans believe that God created man in his image about 10,000 years ago (the "creationist" perspective). Thirty-eight percent of those polled believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms (the "theistic evolution perspective), while 16% believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement (the "secular evolution" perspective), a number that has risen from 9% in 1982

See?
you want the "theistic evolution" thread for that argument.
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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 2:29 pm » by Tzimtzum


A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible
by Duane Gish, Ph.D. *

There were no human witnesses to the origin of life, and no physical geological evidence of its origin exists. Speaking of the origin of a hypothetical self-replicating molecule and its structure, Pross has recently admitted that "The simple answer is we do not know, and we may never know."1 Later, concerning the question of the origin of such a molecule, Pross said, ". . . one might facetiously rephrase the question as follows: given an effectively unknown reaction mixture, under effectively unknown reaction conditions, reacting to give unknown products by unknown mechanisms, could a particular product with a specific characteristic . . . have been included amongst the reaction products?"2 That pretty well summarizes the extent of the progress evolutionists have made toward establishing a mechanistic, atheistic scenario for the origin of life after more than half a century of physical, chemical, and geological research. It is possible, however, to derive facts that establish beyond doubt that an evolutionary origin of life on this planet would have been impossible. The origin of life could only have resulted from the action of an intelligent agent external to and independent of the natural universe. There is sufficient space here to describe only a few of the insuperable barriers to an evolutionary origin of life.

1. The absence of the required atmosphere.

Our present atmosphere consists of 78% nitrogen (N2), 21% molecular oxygen (O2), and 1% of other gases, such as carbon dioxide CO2), argon (Ar), and water vapor H2O). An atmosphere containing free oxygen would be fatal to all origin of life schemes. While oxygen is necessary for life, free oxygen would oxidize and thus destroy all organic molecules required for the origin of life. Thus, in spite of much evidence that the earth has always had a significant quantity of free oxygen in the atmosphere,3 evolutionists persist in declaring that there was no oxygen in the earth's early atmosphere. However, this would also be fatal to an evolutionary origin of life. If there were no oxygen there would be no protective layer of ozone surrounding the earth. Ozone is produced by radiation from the sun on the oxygen in the atmosphere, converting the diatomic oxygen(O2) we breathe to triatomic oxygen O3), which is ozone. Thus if there were no oxygen there would be no ozone. The deadly destructive ultraviolet light from the sun would pour down on the surface of the earth unimpeded, destroying those organic molecules required for life, reducing them to simple gases, such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and water. Thus, evolutionists face an irresolvable dilemma: in the presence of oxygen, life could not evolve; without oxygen, thus no ozone, life could not evolve or exist.

2. All forms of raw energy are destructive.

The energy available on a hypothetical primitive Earth would consist primarily of radiation from the sun, with some energy from electrical discharges (lightning), and minor sources of energy from radioactive decay and heat. The problem for evolution is that the rates of destruction of biological molecules by all sources of raw energy vastly exceed their rates of formation by such energy. The only reason Stanley Miller succeeded in obtaining a small amount of products in his experiment was the fact that he employed a trap to isolate his products from the energy source.4 Here evolutionists face two problems. First, there could be no trap available on a primitive Earth. Second, a trap by itself would be fatal to any evolutionary scenario, for once the products are isolated in the trap, no further evolutionary progress is possible, because no energy is available. In his comments on Miller's experiment, D. E. Hull stated that "These short lives for decomposition in the atmosphere or ocean clearly preclude the possibility of accumulating useful concentrations of organic compounds over eons of time. . . . The physical chemist guided by the proved principles of chemical thermodynamics and kinetics, cannot offer any encouragement to the biochemist, who needs an ocean full of organic compounds to form even lifeless coacervates."5

3. An evolutionary scenario for the origin of life would result in an incredible clutter.

Let us suppose that, as evolutionists suggest, there actually was some way for organic, biologically important molecules to have formed in a significant quantity on a primitive Earth. An indescribable mess would have been the result. In addition to the 20 different amino acids found in proteins today, hundreds of other kinds of amino acids would have been produced. In addition to deoxyribose and ribose, the five-carbon sugars found in DNA and RNA today, a variety of other five-carbon sugars, four-carbon, six-carbon, and seven-carbon sugars would have been produced. In addition to the five purines and pyrimidines found in DNA and RNA today, a great variety of other purines and pyrimidines would exist. Further, of vital significance, the amino acids in proteins today are exclusively left-handed, but all amino acids on the primitive Earth would be 50% left-handed and 50% right-handed. The sugars in DNA and RNA today are exclusively right-handed, but, if they did exist, sugars on a primitive Earth would have been 50% right-handed and 50% left-handed. If just one right-handed amino acid is in a protein, or just one left-handed sugar is found in a DNA or RNA, all biological activity is destroyed. There would be no mechanism available on a primitive Earth to select the correct form. This fact alone destroys evolution. Evolutionists have been wrestling with this dilemma since it was first recognized, and there is no solution in sight. All these many varieties would compete with one another, and a great variety of other organic molecules, including aldehydes, ketones, acids, amines, lipids, carbohydrates, etc. would exist. If evolutionists really claim to simulate plausible primitive Earth conditions, why don't they place their reactants in a big mess like this and irradiate it with ultraviolet light, shock it with electric discharges, or heat it, and see what results? They don't do that because they know there wouldn't be the remotest possibility that anything useful for their evolutionary scenario would result. Rather, they carefully select just the starting materials they want to produce amino acids or sugars or purines or whatever, and, furthermore, they employ implausible experimental conditions that would not exist on a primitive Earth. They then claim in textbooks and journal articles that such and such biological molecules would have been produced in abundant quantities on the early earth.

4. Micromolecules do not spontaneously combine to form macromolecules.

It is said that DNA is the secret of life. DNA is not the secret of life. Life is the secret of DNA. Evolutionists persistently claim that the initial stage in the origin of life was the origin of a self-replicating DNA or RNA molecule. There is no such thing as a self-replicating molecule, and no such molecule could ever exist.The formation of a molecule requires the input of a highly selected type of energy and the steady input of the building blocks required to form it. To produce a protein, the building blocks are amino acids. For DNA and RNA these building blocks are nucleotides, which are composed of purines, pyrimidines, sugars, and phosphoric acid. If amino acids are dissolved in water they do not spontaneously join together to make a protein. That would require an input of energy. If proteins are dissolved in water the chemical bonds between the amino acids slowly break apart, releasing energy (the protein is said to hydrolyze). The same is true of DNA and RNA. To form a protein in a laboratory the chemist, after dissolving the required amino acids in a solvent, adds a chemical that contains high energy bonds (referred to as a peptide reagent). The energy from this chemical is transferred to the amino acids. This provides the necessary energy to form the chemical bonds between the amino acids and releases H and OH to form H2O (water). This only happens in a chemistry laboratory or in the cells of living organisms. It could never have taken place in a primitive ocean or anywhere on a primitive Earth. Who or what would be there to provide a steady input of the appropriate energy? Destructive raw energy would not work. Who or what would be there to provide a steady supply of the appropriate building blocks rather than just junk? In speaking of a self-replicating DNA molecule, evolutionists are reaching for a pie in the sky.

5. DNA could not survive without repair mechanisms.

DNA, as is true of messenger-RNA, transfer-RNA, and ribosomal-RNA, is destroyed by a variety of agents, including ultraviolet light, reactive oxygen species, alkylting agents, and water. A recent article reported that there are 130 known human DNA repair genes and that more will be found. The authors stated that "Genome |DNA| instability caused by the great variety of DNA-damaging agents would be an overwhelming problem for cells and organisms if it were not for DNA repair emphasis mine)."6 Note that even water is one of the agents that damages DNA! If DNA somehow evolved on the earth it would be dissolved in water. Thus water and many chemical agents dissolved in it, along with ultraviolet light would destroy DNA much faster than it could be produced by the wildest imaginary process. If it were not for DNA repair genes, the article effectively states, DNA could not survive even in the protective environment of a cell! How then could DNA survive when subjected to brutal attack by all the chemical and other DNA-damaging agents that would exist on the hypothetical primitive Earth of the evolutionists?

What are the cellular agents that are necessary for DNA repair and survival? DNA genes! Thus, DNA is necessary for the survival of DNA! But it would have been impossible for DNA repair genes to evolve before ordinary DNA evolved and it would have been impossible for ordinary DNA to evolve before DNA repair genes had evolved. Here we see another impossible barrier for evolution. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to imagine that DNA repair genes could have evolved even if a cell existed. DNA genes encode the sequences of the hundreds of amino acids that constitute the proteins that are the actual agents that are involved in DNA repair. The code in the DNA is translated into a messenger RNA (mRNA). The mRNA must then move to and be incorporated into a ribosome (which is made up of three different ribosomal RNAs and 55 different protein molecules). Each amino acid must be coupled to a transfer RNA specific for that amino acid, and the coupling requires a protein enzyme specific for that amino acid and transfer-RNA. Responding to the code on the messenger RNA and utilizing the codes on transfer RNA's, the appropriate amino acids, attached to the transfer RNAs, are attached to the growing protein chain in the order prescribed by the code of the messenger RNA. Many enzymes are required along with appropriate energy. This is only a brief introduction to the incredible complexity of life that is found even in a bacterium.

"Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?" (Job 12:9).

"evilution"" sure is smart.In order for for a species to exist it must procreate,having a male and female.So there would have to be to exact life forms simultaneously emerge from some "soup" in order to advance.Impossible considering what we know takes place in one single cell.

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PostSat Dec 25, 2010 2:36 pm » by Mediasorcerer


its not evolution,and its not the bible lies either,or misinterpretations,
get the fuk ova it,and move on to real history of your own culture,fuk that jewish rubbish,its not relevant,dont be a traitor to your own ancestors or races.
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