500-year-old Voynich manuscript “has secret message”

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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 8:33 am » by Fatdogmendoza


Mysterious 500-year-old Voynich manuscript “has secret message”

A 15th-century manuscript described as “the world’s most mysterious” contains a secret message, according to a new computer analysis.
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A 15th-century manuscript described as “the world’s most mysterious” contains a secret message, according to a new computer analysis.

The Voynich Manuscript is written in an unknown language and script - and the 240-page vellum book has defied dozens of attempts to decipher it, even by top World War II codebreakers.

Carbon dating suggests that it was written in the second half of the fifteenth century, but the book first "surfaced" in the seventeenth century. It appears to be a guide to plants, but almost all the illustrations show non-existent species.

The manuscript is highly controversial, with many experts dismissing it as a hoax - but a new analysis of the text appears to have found “patterns” of meaning which would have been impossible to fake in the 15th century.

The new research has also found "keywords", some of which seem to match to the strange, hand-drawn illustrations that surround the text. It could aid new attempts to crack the code. “The Voynich text has resisted all attempts to decipher it, even by top World War II cryptographers,” says Dr. Marcelo A. Montemurro of Manchester University. “However, the fact that it has been impossible to decode so far cannot be a proof that there is no message inside it.”

Other ciphers previously thought "unbreakable" have recently been cracked by computer technology - such as the Copiale Cipher, an 18th century German manuscript which was "broken" in 2011, revealing the secret rites of an occult society.

“For the past few years I have been studying the statistics of language - using methods from physics and information theory,” says Montemurro. “These methods allow the extraction of keywords (that is words that are closely relevant to the meaning of the text) even if the underlying language is unknown.”

Montemurro’s technique analysed the text at a large scale - looking for “clusters” of words as the text moved from one subject to another, rather than trying to understand the manuscript’s grammar.

“Over long spans of texts, words leave a statistical signature about their use,” says Montemurro. “When the topic shifts to a different one, other words are needed, and so on.”

Montemurro’s analysis found a range of “keywords” in the text - and found that the pattern of their use was similar to known languages. The researchers also found that clusters of keywords seemed to “match” the illustrations.

The knowledge required to put this level of detail into a hoax manuscript means it is less likely that a 15th century hoaxer could have

“It is not not an absolute impossibility that it is a hoax - but most if not all of these features were not known in the 15th century,” says Montemurro. “The hoax hypothesis is that it needs to explain all the levels of structure that are found in the text - and how they could naturally emerge from the hoaxing method.”

“I’m not a cryptographer, but I can see it as a step forward in the sense that now there are candidates among the text’s words to be those more closely connected with the meaning of the text,” says Montemurro. “There is still the question of what sort of method was used to encode the message and hide its message - making a connection between our analysis and a possible decoding mechanism will require more specialized research."


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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 9:32 am » by RATRODROB


if it is indeed real, its one of the worlds great enigmas.

this could be a copy, like a 500 yr old reproduction of something way way earlier.

If SOLON obtained ancient information about ATLANTIS and its flora, (which most of the contents of the manuscript are about unknown flora) from SAIS written on papyris, and then perhaps this information was in turn passed onto PLATO, along with long lost drawings of plants from ATLANTIS, then is there a chance the VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT is an old reproduction of plants and other information saved from a recording from an old and decaying papyris, depicting ATLANTIS before it sank into the sea.

It could hav been rewritten in an unknown language by its author to protect the secrets of ATLANTIS.

Oftenly, an island (like atlantis) will harbour unique plants and wild life, not to be seen anywhere else, especially way back then, when the amount of travel across oceans were at a minimum.

just pulled that one out of my arse on spur of the moment, not bad eh, although i feel someones gonna shoot me down in flames .lol :cheers:
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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 9:34 am » by Ra-D


Montemurro’s analysis found a range of “keywords” in the text - and found that the pattern of their use was similar to known languages. The researchers also found that clusters of keywords seemed to “match” the illustrations.


Did I miss something?

Like what? If most of the drawings are of unknown species of plants etc etc then to what Illistrations in specific? Examples?

Pretty vague and leaves me with more questions then answers :yell:

Always been fascinated by this one, hope more clear explanations of these hypothesis are to follow...thx for the post. :cheers:
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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 11:32 am » by Toxic32


Wow you should read this. After following the logic of this breakdown of the code and the way it's structured I'm totally on board.

I give examples to show that the code used in the Voynich Manuscript is probably a series of Italian word anagrams written in a fancy embellished script. This code, that has been confusing scholars for nearly a century, is therefore not as complicated as it first appears.

All attempts over the past century to decode this mysterious manuscript have met with failure. This is probably due to the initial error made by Voynich and his followers attributing the authorship of the manuscript to Roger Bacon, the 13th century British scientist, monk and scholar. As I showed in a previous paper on my Website, The Voynich Manuscript, was the author left handed?, Roger Bacon could not have written this manuscript and I suggested that a young (around 8 to 10 years old) Leonardo da Vinci was a likely author. Using this premise I proceeded to consider what would be required to decode this manuscript and reached the following conclusions:

Determine the language used in writing the manuscript
Correlate the Voynich alphabet with the modern English alphabet
Decipher the code



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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 11:38 am » by Fatdogmendoza


Cheers Toxic, Thats a very interesting addition :flop:
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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 1:48 pm » by Rich316


So....what's the secret message? Not really fair, tell us there's a secret but can't work out what it is?

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PostTue Jun 25, 2013 4:36 pm » by Toxic32


We could tell you. But then it wouldn't be a secret would it. Let just say you need to decipher the message if you want to join the club. I shake your hand under the table with my left sock rolled down. LOL
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