7 killed in shootings at Fort Hood, Pentagon says

Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:52 pm » by **Willburnroach**

I wonder how many Muslims he was counseling? I have a eerie feeling like he could be some sort of Hannibal Lecter, I wonder if this Islamic frustration in his view and the views of those he was supposed to help could spur more attacks from his former patients. Perhaps this was why he had a bad evaluation. The insane Islamic psychiatrist major.

Just a thought if this was religiously motivated.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:57 pm » by **Dirttyrabbit**

willburnroach wrote:I wonder how many Muslims he was counseling? I have a eerie feeling like he could be some sort of Hannibal Lecter, I wonder if this Islamic frustration in his view and the views of those he was supposed to help could spur more attacks from his former patients. Perhaps this was why he had a bad evaluation. The insane Islamic psychiatrist major.

Just a thought if this was religiously motivated.

the guy just snapped and went postal ok... the guy was stressed....
like many soldiers are these days!
unless you YOUR self have been in the military and have done a few tours...
no one can say shit about this man...
none of us were there... none of us know....
im sure the TRUTH will come out sooner or later..
try doing a doing a few tours see how you come back...
you are not the same person
try dealing with deployment... some people just dont want to GO!
some people know this war is WRONG its been going on to LONG
its some fucked up shit!

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:21 pm » by **Willburnroach**

dirttyrabbit wrote:the guy just snapped and went postal ok... the guy was stressed....
like many soldiers are these days!

He was a psychiatrist and he shot 43 people killing 13, wouldn't you think he would be the last type of person to snap??

unless you YOUR self have been in the military and have done a few tours...
no one can say shit about this man...

Wanna bet? I was raised by a x marine drill Sargent, and I was married to a woman with severe bi-polar and paranoid schizophrenia I guess this doesn't count but I have first hand experience with people that flip out all the time.

none of us were there... none of us know....

Including yourself.

im sure the TRUTH will come out sooner or later..

Im not so sure ever hear about a thing called 9/11?

try doing a doing a few tours see how you come back...
you are not the same person

I have several friends that have gone through this and I agree with you it's terrible what trauma they go through.

try dealing with deployment... some people just dont want to GO!
some people know this war is WRONG its been going on to LONG
its some fucked up shit!

I agree with you war is pure hell, especially a unjust war, but really this guy was a doctor it's not like he was doing foot patrols or disarming ied's Im not knocking his service but he was a trained mental health doctor I guess I would expect more from him.

Islamic faith plus mass killing = Jihadist

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:11 pm » by **Spock**

He was a Muslim on a self appointed jihad.

He said he was "harassed" after 9-11 for being a muslim and wanted out of the army.

People get harassed all the time - that never justifies a killing spree.

Oh yea - and he yelled "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire.

I win CornBread.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:13 pm » by **Spock**

Associated Press:

Ft. Hood suspect reportedly shouted `Allahu Akbar'
By JEFF CARLTON (AP) – 45 minutes ago

FORT HOOD, Texas — Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.
Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.
An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.
Cone said Hasan was hospitalized in stable condition and that investigators hope to interrogate him as soon as possible. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.
Cone said Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk. He acknowledged that it was "counterintuitive" that a single shooter could kill and injure so many people. But he said the massacre occurred in "close quarters."
"With ricochet fire, he was able to injure that number of people," Cone said. Authorities are investigating whether Hasan's weapons were properly registered with the military.
The motive for the shooting wasn't clear, but Hasan was apparently set to deploy soon and had expressed some anger about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas.
Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.
Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.
The gunfire broke out around 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, some soldiers were readying to head into a graduation ceremony for troops and families who had recently earned degrees.
Pastor Greg Schannep had just parked his car along the side of the theater and was about to head into the ceremony when a man in uniform approached him.
"Sir, they are opening fire over there!" the man told him. At first, he thought it was a training exercise — then heard three volleys and saw people running. As the man who warned him about the shots ran away, he could see the man's back was bloodied from a wound.
Schannep said police and medical and other emergency personnel were on the scene in an instant, telling people to get inside the theater. The post went into lockdown while a search began for a suspect and emergency workers began trying to treat the wounded. Some soldiers rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages to treat their wounds.
Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman's voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover. Schools on the base went into lockdown, and family members trying to find out what was happening inside found cell phone lines jammed or busy.
"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."
The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities and the identities of the dead were not immediately released.
The bodies of the victims would be taken to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for autopsies and forensic tests, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that were under investigation.
There also will be a ceremony at the air base to honor the dead.
Jamie and Scotty Casteel stood outside the emergency room at the hospital in Temple waiting for news of their son-in-law Matthew Cooke, who was among the injured.
"He's been shot in the abdomen and that's all we know," Jamie Casteel told The Associated Press. She said Cooke, from New York state, had been home from Iraq for about a year.
Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.
"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund said. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.
Nathan A. Hewitt, 26, of Lafayette, Ind., was shot in the hip and calf, his uncles Elmo Robledo and Rex Deaton told the Journal & Courier.
Ashley Saucedo told WOOD-TV in Michigan that her husband was shot in the arm, but she couldn't discuss specifics. Saucedo said she and the couple's two children weren't permitted to leave their home at Fort Hood during the shootings.
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood in July, Hasan worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing a career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. The 39-year-old Army major received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
But his record wasn't sterling. At Walter Reed, he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.
Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md., said "I got the impression that he was a committed soldier." He said Hasan attended prayers regularly at the mosque in Silver Spring, Md., and was a lifelong Muslim. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, and he wanted out of the Army.
"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
Investigators had not determined for certain whether Hasan was the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.
The FBI, local police and other agencies searched Hasan's apartment Thursday night after evacuating the complex in Killeen, said city spokeswoman Hilary Shine. She referred questions about what was found to the FBI. The FBI in Dallas referred questions to a spokesman who was not immediately available early Friday morning.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:24 pm » by **Cornbread714**

spock wrote:Oh yea - and he yelled "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire.

Things get misheard in the heat of the moment. My guess is is that he was shouting something like:

"I wanna new snack-bar!"

or:

"All you are crack-whores!"

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:25 pm » by **Domdabears**

the guy just snapped and went postal ok... the guy was stressed....
like many soldiers are these days!

Jeeeezzzz guys. Its no big deal! Leave this alone. He just went crazy. God! You guys act like this isnt normal. Jeeeezzzzzz. :lol:

Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:22 pm » by **Soldierboy**

dirttyrabbit wrote:
willburnroach wrote:I wonder how many Muslims he was counseling? I have a eerie feeling like he could be some sort of Hannibal Lecter, I wonder if this Islamic frustration in his view and the views of those he was supposed to help could spur more attacks from his former patients. Perhaps this was why he had a bad evaluation. The insane Islamic psychiatrist major.

Just a thought if this was religiously motivated.

the guy just snapped and went postal ok... the guy was stressed....
like many soldiers are these days!
unless you YOUR self have been in the military and have done a few tours...
no one can say shit about this man...
none of us were there... none of us know....
im sure the TRUTH will come out sooner or later..
try doing a doing a few tours see how you come back...
you are not the same person
try dealing with deployment... some people just dont want to GO!
some people know this war is WRONG its been going on to LONG
its some fucked up shit!

I was there............ and I think I'm still sane.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:34 pm » by **jetxvii**

I'm a little disappointed in the people making a mockery of this incident.

I'll leave it at that. 12 people are dead. and someone wants to make a joke about it... thats fine..

I'll leave it at that.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:50 am » by **Thewindycity**

I dunno Rabbit.

"well educated man very good man...
the guy just snapped and went postal ok... the guy was stressed.."

Im educated, my friends and family tell me Im a good woman, but sure, I get stressed. Is that still how people would see me if I slaughtered a dozen or more unarmed people in cold blood? The scarey part is, this guy was a psychiatrist, and should have recognized his stress level was out of control. This is also the same individual who was counceling others coming back from tours (sometimes two or three tours) in Iraq and Afganistan! What kind of help was he able to give these people when he himself was psychotic? Just another example of our government turning a blind eye when it comes to its soldiers and veterans health care (physically and mentally).