A little, but valid question

Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:24 pm » by **Tertiusgaudens**

Undoubtedly nobody can evade himself from the beauty of crop circles.

Some has been speculated on messages and meanings. And the fascination is always unbroken and ever will be.

The manyfold of mathematical figures is stunning and inspirational.

Nevertheless I have never heard of any revelation of solving steps of any mathematical or physical unsolved problems. Obviously this was not an intention of crop circles, or the makers of it had no clue either.

The list of unsolved physical problems is long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un ... in_physics
or
http://www.oglethorpe.edu/faculty/~m_rulison/top10.htm

Same with unsolved math problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un ... athematics
or
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UnsolvedProblems.html

And this is only a part of problems humans have no solutions at all. So the question may rise whether crop circles beyond any stunning esthetics has revealed any help in solving at least one or two math or physical problems we deal with.

Obviously not. Or did I miss something?

Again - I do not doubt any fascinating inspiration of the crop circle phenomenon...

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:15 pm » by **Tertiusgaudens**

Very nice indeed:

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:18 pm » by **Drjones**

I'm really not into crop circles at all. They are all hoaxes imo.

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:23 pm » by **Tertiusgaudens**

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:29 pm » by **Hayden**

I admitt that many crop circles may well be fake,( fuck knows why though, I mean how bored must you be?) But like UFO photographs...It only takes one to be real! Plus, I grew up in rural Shropshire, I know farmers, if someone was arsing about in a field in the middle of the night,they would get an arse full of rock salt sharpish.Peace :cheers:

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:31 pm » by **Cornbread714**

Hey, TG, did you get my emails?

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:53 pm » by **Emeraldtruth**

TG: "So the question may rise whether crop circles beyond any stunning esthetics has revealed any help in solving at least one or two math or physical problems we deal with.

Obviously not. Or did I miss something?"

I wouldn't claim that myself but however, I have a small question for you...

How does the question you pose have any relevance regarding the possibility that some crop circles may not be manmade?

In fact I believe your question to be totally pointless but enlighten me please if I am overlooking something or perhaps missed a lead-in thread. Thanks in advance. :flop:

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:04 pm » by **Chronicnerd**

tertiusgaudens wrote:Undoubtedly nobody can evade himself from the beauty of crop circles.

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Some has been speculated on messages and meanings. And the fascination is always unbroken and ever will be.

The manyfold of mathematical figures is stunning and inspirational.

Nevertheless I have never heard of any revelation of solving steps of any mathematical or physical unsolved problems. Obviously this was not an intention of crop circles, or the makers of it had no clue either.

The list of unsolved physical problems is long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un ... in_physics
or
http://www.oglethorpe.edu/faculty/~m_rulison/top10.htm

Same with unsolved math problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un ... athematics
or
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UnsolvedProblems.html

And this is only a part of problems humans have no solutions at all. So the question may rise whether crop circles beyond any stunning esthetics has revealed any help in solving at least one or two math or physical problems we deal with.

Obviously not. Or did I miss something?

Again - I do not doubt any fascinating inspiration of the crop circle phenomenon...

Many of these math related problems is due to our Euclidean Geometry math foundation... yes it is a fantastic thing and yes we can use it in "normal day life" type scenarios when calculating things "relatively to scale" with our reality. However, it is primarily a 3-Dimensional math solving tool where as we are finding out now days (within the past couple of years) that we must look at math in a more 4 dimensional way.

Morgan Freeman's Universe show for 2011 had some pretty good episodes that explained where we are... the bottom line is that time and space are basically "tied together"... the more space you traverse...the more time it will take if you actually travel *through* the space in question (point A to point B). Einstein had a lot to say about this and his theory behind the Space-Time relationship was proven just recently:
Article:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/
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This changes the way we have to look at things... we can't go faster than light...but bending space in front of a vehicle and behind the vehicle where one side is pinching and the other side is stretching will result in the vehicle staying in the same "space-time" plane but the "space-time" plane around the vehicle changes... and thus one could ~theoretically~ (still) travel at really any speed one could achieve with the limitation being the "dark-energy" that would be required to generate this type of field. Morgan Freeman's Into the Universe: Can we travel faster than the speed of light, addresses this issue as well as shows who is working on it and that the math and theory behind both the dark-energy as well as the "distorting space-time" can be done... now it is a matter of doing it...once we understand a few more things.

The bottom line is that our math system and how we "look" at things limits the way we approach our problem solving...many decades ago it was just "build a bigger rocket"...a few decades ago it was "find energy sources available in space and use those to refuel" (addressing the theory of relativity issue with the faster you go the heavier you become) issue...but even that eventually was realized as being "impossible" for galaxy travel as the space between systems, not to mention galaxies, is so vast and "empty" (not of the dark-energy but normal energy sources) that this became "impossible". Now we are realizing that "holes in space" might be the way all other ~sentient~ life handles this universal law...as well we are finding out that the "universal laws" are really only applicable to specific galaxies/systems.

Crop circles could be many things... the problem with them is that there are documented cases where people have done "pranks"...thus making the entire "crop circle" phenomena something that is looked up as "elaborate hoaxes".

Even if the crop circles gave someone some form of inspirational "aha" moment...it probably occurred behind a monitor while that someone was looking at crop circles who was also working on a specific problem...and it inspired them...conscious level or sub-conscious level (what we see and register in our subconscious mind doesn't always make it to our conscious mind in the same way we might think).

Even if someone was consciously inspired from a crop circle and was trying to get their theory accepted...they more than likely would be hesitant to claim they were inspired from a crop circle than to just claim "I just came up with this idea"... after all...we are kind of that kind of animal.

Sooo...I guess the point I am making is that we are having all sorts of technological advancements happening...many of which are still not announced and still being worked through...all of which could or could not be inspired from some external sentient being/entity...and more than likely...based on our current social structure...we will never know if they were inspired from something like a crop circle until there is that "tipping point" where someone finally has such mounding evidence that it is impossible to discount. This typically happens well after the "inception" and "public awareness" stages...

All interesting stuff indeed!

-CN

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:18 pm » by **Cwmman**

nothing wrong with crop circles, some "poor" farmers even make money out of them

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:21 pm » by **Chronicnerd**

Oh... and here is one Physicist who is finding some interesting things about crop circles:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/01/physics-crop-circles/

All of this points to the probability that if someone did find inspiration from a crop circle it most certainly won't be part of their thesis...