A Walk down Zimmerman Lane

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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 11:57 pm » by Lucidlemondrop


Noentry wrote:Image

I see a boy who had committed no crime went to shop, bought some sweets and was gun down on his way home. The law says Zimmerman is not guilty.
Its the minors fault for :headscratch: acting like a minor.
Not the adult who followed an innocent boy, Zimmerman was in his rights to kill an unarmed minor who had broken no laws.

Bravo fucking bravo :clapper:


Agreed, Noentry.

Trayvon was not obligated to answer to Zimmerman, period.

The police were on the way, Zimmerman should have stayed in the car and not chased Trayvon.

I note how it keeps being mentioned that the hour he was out and about was odd..........6:30 either am or pm is not an unusual time to be out walking to the Circle K.

A person has the right to walk down the street/sidewalk without answering to "strangers" where he is going.
What a long strange trip it's been..............

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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:02 am » by Fatdogmendoza


handy4321 wrote:There you go with the name calling again. Seems like an act of desperation to me and somewhat childish as well. No worries though, I have thick skin. Peace on you. :flop:


handy4321 wrote:

And really, name calling;
Are you really that stupid
kinda childish, don't ya think?



Are you taking the piss or are you being serious, I ''asked'' you were you stupid, I never said you were, that decision is yours...The proof is in the pudding...Here's another question for you, is it just your skin that is thick?

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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:05 am » by Noentry


Lucidlemondrop wrote:
Noentry wrote:Image

I see a boy who had committed no crime went to shop, bought some sweets and was gun down on his way home. The law says Zimmerman is not guilty.
Its the minors fault for :headscratch: acting like a minor.
Not the adult who followed an innocent boy, Zimmerman was in his rights to kill an unarmed minor who had broken no laws.

Bravo fucking bravo :clapper:


Agreed, Noentry.

Trayvon was not obligated to answer to Zimmerman, period.

The police were on the way, Zimmerman should have stayed in the car and not chased Trayvon.

I note how it keeps being mentioned that the hour he was out and about was odd..........6:30 either am or pm is not an unusual time to be out walking to the Circle K.

A person has the right to walk down the street/sidewalk without answering to "strangers" where he is going.


Well said Lucid. :clapper:

You are a breath of fresh air.
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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:08 am » by Fatdogmendoza


Noentry wrote:Well said Lucid. :clapper:

You are a breath of fresh air.
:hugging:


And much, much more :hugging:

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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:15 am » by Noentry


@Fatdogmendoza

Imagine the cheek of him to accuse others of race baiting and he is the only one who using the race card, when he was the first person who mentioned racial profiling and then denied it happened.
To then try to squirm his way out by playing the victim.
He say's stupid things, goes back on his own words.
Denies things he has already accepted and then gets upset when you ask if he is stupid.
Stupid is too good for that boy

FFS were do these Fragles come from.
:bang;
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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:21 am » by Lucidlemondrop


:sunny:
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Hey~~~

SQUISH!!!

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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:22 am » by Fatdogmendoza


Noentry wrote:@Fatdogmendoza

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Stupid is too good for that boy

FFS were do these Fragles come from.
:bang;


I think you have hit the nail on the head with those two words, I think he sounds very young...Bleever does on the other post also...

How are you cypriot Brother, Im off to Turkey in less than 12 hours....So if anybody asks where I am you are in the know :hugging:

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PostMon Jul 22, 2013 12:29 am » by Noentry


Fatdogmendoza wrote:
Noentry wrote:@Fatdogmendoza

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Stupid is too good for that boy

FFS were do these Fragles come from.
:bang;


I think you have hit the nail on the head with those two words, I think he sounds very young...Bleever does on the other post also...

How are you cypriot Brother, Im off to Turkey in less than 12 hours....So if anybody asks where I am you are in the know :hugging:


Have a great time bro.
Look forward to the seeing the slides.
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PostThu Jul 25, 2013 9:28 pm » by Chronicnerd


:headscratch:

This thread was most definitively curious indeed...

The most *curious* parts were the threads the followed after my last post (quoted below).

My last post was to ~further clarify~ how we, a nation that has more benefits programs for African Americans than *any* other "race" living in America, can *STILL* to this very day believe there is *IGNORANT* prejudice.

I tried to even include a *BLATANT* example of how the word "Prejudice" can be used in *many* different contexts that have *nothing* to do with skin color/genetics.

Within this post I also covered how the term "Racial Profiling" was being *SKEWED* and *MISINTERPRETED*/*UNDERSTOOD* by the *SHEEPLE*.

(I am creating a new thread after this... "Everyone has a little sheeple in them")

By "SHEEPLE", I mean those who are unwilling to look at the *facts* of the *present* day "America".

How many different races live in America Today?

According to the 2010 census, we are one of the *most* racially blended countries in the *world*...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_e ... ensus_2010

People of all walks of life who:

1.) Waited in line to be given American Citizenship and/or Got a Work or Educational Visa
2.) Were given more opportunities in America than *any other country in the world could provide*
3.) A good number of the many races (Asian, Indian, Latino, Africans) have come to America and have a very *GREAT* life compared to what their options were in their own home/country.

Yet... *SOMEHOW* people *STILL* are yelling "Racial Profiling" and "Prejudice" over a trial that has already happened, had overwhelming evidence that it all went down *very close to or similar to* what Zimmerman claimed (no one will ever know the full truth but Zimmerman and God), and was found by a Jury of Six women (the majority *mothers*) to be ~NOT GUILTY~ of the ~CHARGES FILED AGAINST HIM~.

My last post (below quote) outlined how the term "Racial Profile" had been used by several *KEY MEMBERS* to the *POLITICAL AND LEGAL* group that surrounded the Martin family...

BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF:

It was a "RACIAL PROFILE" because Zimmerman was "Racially Biased" due to the *PROFILE* of the *DESCRIPTION* of the ROBBERS that had been STEALING from the neighborhood.

They *ALSO* said that because of the *HIGH CRIME RATE* of Young Black Males in Zimmerman's Neighborhood's area...they believed Zimmerman had a form of "Racial Bias" which led to a *form of* "Racial Profiling".

This happened *ALL OVER* the news in many *INTERVIEWS* where all of the people who actually *TRIED* to give an *ANSWER* as to why they believed "Racial Profiling" happened... you heard something *VERY SIMILAR* to what I described above...

As in... they were *BACK PEDDLING* out of their statement... because they ~KNEW~ it was not "Racial Profiling" in the context of:

"Oh hey, there is a black person... I think he needs to be shot."

But more in the context of:
"I am looking for suspicious looking, young, tall, black males...because that's what the *profile* of the past neighborhood robbers have been."

The people who claimed "Racial Profiling" were doing nothing more than saying:

"Because Travon Martin was Black... Zimmerman was Racially Profiling him because Travon fit the *profile* of the past robbers and because a *skin color* was part of the profile...he had a 'Racial Profile'"...

Trust me... I had to rewind my DVR on several interviews (Gretta, Hannity, Hannity Live Audience Members, and O'Reilly)... all people claiming "Racial Profiling" when asked how to define what it was that Zimmerman did that made his act "racial profiling"...

They all pretty much said around the same thing... many included the fact that young black males had the absolute highest crime rate in the region...and used that as their 'Reason' behind Zimmerman's bias.



The *CURIOUS* part... is even though I outlined the *COMMUNICATION* issue...and the *BLATANT AND INTENTIONAL* improper usage of the phrase "Racial Profile(ing)" in my last post (quoted below)...


PEOPLE ON THIS SITE **STILL** GOT INTO A DEBATE ON WHETHER IT WAS RACIAL PROFILING OR NOT!!!!

Hehe... I mean... you know who you are... if you go back and read my last post... the usage of the words...the examples...and then read through the replies and "back and fourths" after that point...

You can *CLEARLY* see (and classify) all of the people and put them into:

Group#1
Group#2
Group#3

If you are not sure what that means... then it means that more than likely you didn't read that last post...and I would highly recommend you do...

If you do know what the Group #'s mean and were part of the "He was/He was not" group... then I would look at the terms you used...how you used them...and remember that Zimmerman has been *heavily* involved with the black community for a good chunk of his *LIFE*... if you believed he *Ignorantly* was Racially Profiling...then you might just have a little ~SHEEPLE~ floating around in side of your head... and you might want to reflect over all of the information ONE MORE TIME... and think about whether or not you were:

1.) Thinking he was just plane ol' profiling and it happened to be young black men happened to commit more crimes in the area
2.) Thinking he was Racially Profiling because he already had a *BIAS* due to *HIGH CRIME RATE* by blacks.
3.) Thinking he was *Ignorantly* Racially Profiling


If #2 or #3... well... you might have a little sheeple in ya...because...

America has made people of *ALL* nationalities wealthy...and gives *MORE* opportunities(programs) to people of a skin color other than White (i.e. No requirement to hire a minimal number of white people is there?)...

So... if you are in group #3... seriously...today... 2013... *HALF WAY* to 2014...more ethnic programs for people of "non-Caucasian ethnicity" than any other country in the world... more success and opportunities for people of:

All Races
All Religions

If *ANYTHING*... the only specific group I see being knocked around the most would be:

White Christians

Even though... there are *PLENTY* of White Christian Churches (and Catholic) that *DONATE SO MUCH MONEY* and *HELP SO MANY PEOPLE BOTH IN AND OUTSIDE OF THE US*...

But do you see them rioting in the streets?

Two black kids *LITERALLY* shot a *WHITE BABY* in the *FACE* in *FRONT* of the *MOTHER*... for the *FUN* of it...

We got all of the liberals and left wing up in arms about this?
How much news you seen on *THAT*?

BOTTOM LINE:
AMERICA OFFERS MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PEOPLE ***NOT OF A CAUCASIAN*** ETHNICITY THAN ANY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET!!!!!!

PEOPLE OF ALL TYPES OF ETHNICITY COME TO AMERICA AND FIND MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

So... if you *REALLY* think someone like Zimmerman who is of a mixed Latino ethnicity and has a *long* record of co-existing as well as helping (*way* beyond the norm) the black community...

Was *IGNORANTLY* (i.e. the "just because he was black" and not the "high black crime rate in the area")
Racially Profiling...

Well... then I hate to say it... but... you got sheeple seeping from ya' bones... and I can only empathize with your inability to come to terms with the fact that...

All races and religions... *AROUND THE WORLD* ... have people in their communities who *IGNORANTLY* are prejudice against some other/different ethnicity and/or *relgion*...

Prejudice exists in *MUCH WORSE FORMS*... in many of the Countries around the world... and if you compare *THEIR* stories with *OUR* (Americans) stories...


I am 100% sure that "Our problems"... are not "problems"...when you look at the *BIG PICTURE*.

Are their some form of racists in this country?

Oh... yeah... and that *DOES NOT* mean just "Whitey/Cracka hatin' tha black man"...

Nope... it is groups from all diverse cultures in America... every... single...one... has a small percentage of their "ethnic group/culture" who is just *IGNORANT*...

And as such... they will say *DUMB* things...

Don't be *DUMB*... shave the SHEEPLE from your life and I promise...

If you open your mind to the fact that "bad circumstances" happen...and people *will react* to each other *BASED ON HOW* others treat them. Because we, as *HUMANS*, have our *INTEGRATED* survival mechanisms...we *NATURALLY* will become *MORE JUMPY* around a specific *TYPE* of person based on how that *TYPE OF PERSON* treats others.

Once *WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THIS REALITY*, we will *HOPEFULLY* start teaching this philosophy to our *YOUNGER GENERATION* (as opposed to teach them to point the finger at someone *ELSE*), and MAYBE...just MAYBE...

In the future...there may be "another Zimmerman/Trayvon" situation (different people), but...

The young adult in the "Trayvon" position might dress differently and/or *be more aware of how appearance can impact peoples' reacions*...and do things "just differently enough" to avoid a tragedy.

Likewise, the person playing the "Zimmerman" position in the future might better *grasp* the struggles of that community and might understand he "needs to proceed with more caution" as well as "he understands the importance of identifying himself and what his 'duty' that night was" to give the young adult in the "Trayvon" position a better chance to understand why he is even talking to him.


But until people can see how *ridiculous* the media and the "left wing racial rhetoric" was/is during this period...as well as people take the time to *better understand* how *BLESSED* they are to be in a country that has so many LUXURIES....as well as understand there are *MORE ETHNIC PROGRAMS* for people of any ethnicity except CAUCASIANS...as well as understand *ALL ETHNIC* groups will more than likely have a small percentage of them be prejudice of someone of some form of *ETHNICITY* for *DUMB REASONS*.





Chronicnerd wrote:Ok,

So I have been paying a ~little~ more attention to the ripples of the "not guilty" verdict and how this is being received by a specific group of Americans.

Before anything else is said and/or debated I would like anyone following this thread to carefully read over the below definition of the word "prejudice":
prej·u·dice
[ préjjədiss ]
opinion formed beforehand: a preformed opinion, usually an unfavorable one, based on insufficient knowledge, irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes
holding of ill-informed opinions: the holding of preformed opinions based on insufficient knowledge, irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes
irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred, fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, sexual preference, or social status



Based on the above definition of "Prejudice", we can now say the following is *definitively* true:

Liberals are prejudice of Conservatives, because they often assume that all conservatives are driven by "monetary benefits" with little concern for the "little guys".

Conservatives are prejudice of Liberals, because they often assume that all liberals are driven by a more "socialistic" (take from one to give to another) agenda.


The above two statements make me prejudice of both Liberals and Conservatives for even posing my "preformed opinion" of both parties.

Now that we have a general idea of the *true* definition of the word "prejudice" and how it can be used in ways that do not necessarily *need* to include any form of *race*, we can start to look at the groups of people involved in all of this chaos.


So far, I can classify people (i.e. anyone who has any form of opinion on this whole issue) as the following:

Group 1.) Jury Verdict is Fair/Just Verdict Based on Law:
Whatever the Jury decided is the "best form of justice" because it was presented in the court of law, all the evidence presented, and an independent jury made their decision based on the laws and the evidence.


Group 2.) Jury Verdict is Respected/Still think Racial Profiling/Prejudice Bias Existed:
This group respects the legal system and the Jurors verdict, however they believe there was still a form of "racial profiling" that was happening.


Group 3.) Jury Verdict is "Legally Correct", but think Zimmerman was still being prejudiced :
This group of people believe there are *many* racist systems/mechanisms/people who are just trying to "do harm to the black community" and this case is "just another example of how black people are being exploited and racially profiled by anyone who doesn't seem to have a black skin tone".




Here is my first pass at explaining things as *they unfolded after the verdict*, which similar concepts and behaviors ~could~ be extrapolated back in time to the first few weeks after Trayvon was killed (but primarily specific to *after* the verdict):

** this is only my opinion based on looking at all of the primary personalities involved **


Group #2 started out primarily as the "leaders" and/or "speakers" of the ~Media Blitz~ that had been formed around this whole case. These people are more educated, and were in some shape-way-form involved in the "propagation" of the "Zimmerman is Guilty" media blitz.

They generalized their responses to the jury's verdict as "respecting their opinion and how they came to their opinion", however they *** still believed Zimmerman was racially profiling Trayvon and/or that there is a "sociological" racial profiling happening ***.

The people in Group #2 was limited to people who intentionally or unintentionally utilized the two words "Prejudice Biased" in the same sentence as using the word "Racial Profiling".

As in, the first few days after the verdict it was common to hear people say something similar to:
"I believe Zimmerman was racially profiling Trayvon, which makes him prejudice biased during the conflict. Had he not been prejudice biased (white teenager instead of black teenager) then none of this might have happened."

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Racial Profiling:
Simply means that one is intentionally looking for specific "physical/visual descriptions":

Examples :
The man that robbed the store was white, bald, and had tattoo's.
(Racial profile: Caucasian, Bald, Male that has tattoos)

The woman that hit my car and drove away was a large black woman.
(Racial profile: Black, Obese, Female)

Racial Profiling includes a race *specific* trait that *HELPS* in the *identification* of *specific* types of people that can be classified for <insert reason for profiling here>.

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Some ~commonly~ used REASONS for racial profiling:
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1.) Terrorism: A specific race, of a specific genetic line that has distinctively unique physical characteristics, that wishes to do harm to some group. The group would most likely form a "Racial Profile" of this group of people in order to *Identify* and be *Alert* that something bad could happen (i.e. the whole reason behind using this technique).

2.) Personal Experience: A person experiences specific types of behaviors of a group of people or person who all can be racially profiled based on a specific physical characteristic. The experience *typically* has to be some form of physical and/or emotional trauma that develops this form of "personal racial profiling".

3.) Statistical Facts: A specific group of people, that can be identified by a unified physical characteristics, who statistically have been proven to do <insert any act or action done by said group of people>.

4.) Blind/Ignorant Prejudice: An individual can come to an "ill-conceived" conclusion that a specific group of people that can be defined by a unified physical characteristic always <insert any excuse/reason mentally created by said individual of the "ill-conceived" conclusion>

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Why the definition?

The initial members from Group #2 were claiming a form of "Bias" that Zimmerman already had due to *Statistical Facts* (#3 Above under Racial Profiling), and as such there was a form of "Racial Profiling" happening.

What this did, unfortunately, was stir the pot in the "less good intention-minded" people of Group #2 who realized there was the "perceived usage" of the word(s) "Prejudice" and "Racial Profiling" that could potentially stir up some media and political leverage.

Thus, towards the middle of this past week (7-18-2013) we started to see many of the more "Black Civil Rights" oriented people become very vocal about:

1.) Prejudice Bias
2.) Racial Profiling
3.) Stand Your Ground

This, in turn, started to kick up the "energy" level of Group #3 (Jury Verdict is "Legally Correct", but think Zimmerman was still being prejudiced), who I believe "misunderstood" the usage of the Prejudice Bias, Racial Profiling, and have no idea that Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case (or if it did, it was Trayvon who was standing his ground and Zimmerman who encroached first...which there has never been any evidence to support any of that).


So, at this point we now have year *ANOTHER* media frenzy about the "Civil Rights" of Trayvon, which is being held up from Group #2's usage of the words:

"Racial Profiling" and "Prejudice Biased"


The real meaning behind these two words, based on the *FACTS*, is the following:

Racial Profiling within the Zimmerman Case:
Zimmerman's Neighborhood had been getting robbed quite a bit, and each *visual encounter* recorded in *each police record* shows the burglars were all black and male.

Because of these *facts*, Zimmerman already had a "Racial Profile" on what he was "Watching out for":
Unfamiliar, Black, Males

His job was "Neighborhood Watch" which was something the Neighborhood members had decided would be a good thing if they helped keep an eye out for anyone who "fit the description" of the people who had been robbing them... they had to come up with a set of unified physical characteristics between the robbers that was common amongst them all in order to *GIVE ZIMMERMAN A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT TO WATCH FOR*.

A profile... in this case is did involve skin color and as such it becomes a "Racial based Profile"...which does not mean that is is "racist or racial" in the context of *CIVIL LIBERTIES*, but *PRIMARILY* for identification purposes.

I believe, this is what the *initial* members of Group #2 (i.e. lawyers and other closer to the family members) had to be insinuating when they initially brought it up after the jury's verdict.


Prejudice Bias within the Zimmerman Case:
There are two parts to this:
1.) Pretty much this phrase can be interchanged with "Racial Profiling" as they pretty much end up at the same place: Zimmerman had a predetermine set of criteria he was "Watching out for".
2.) Due to *Historic* statistics on violence within the young adult black American communities, there was some mention they believed Zimmerman was more *biased* and *emotionally affected* by said "biases" that he might have "pulled the trigger" more from "bias" than from "true realistic fear" of his life (which would then open a door to discount the Federal Level Self Defense ruling).



At the end of the day here is what I know to be true:

1.) There are those who only understand the word "prejudice" as being something is more about "white hate towards black people". When they hear someone use the word "prejudice", they only think "racist" and are less likely to look at or understand the *true* context in which the word is being used. This insights anger and frustration, which then results in what we have been seeing around the USA with all of the riots.

2.) There are those who understand the difference in the contextual usage of the words, but also understand there are a large portion of Americans who *don't*... and as such they *play* off of this in order to *manipulate* people through their *emotions* and not their *brains*.

3.) Whether *anyone* likes it or not here are the facts:

-- The majority of Crimes in the area were committed by "Young Black Males"
-- Many people are afraid of *some* black people, because of stereotype, but that is due to:
.........Media imposed stereo types (Gangsta's) and Trends/Styles (clothing)
.........Statistical *facts*
.........A bit of "Over Reaction" in some people due to "fear"
.........Linguistic intonations and slang usage (which points back to media influenced 'Gangsta' look)
-- Zimmerman was "Watching for" the profile created by *PAST EXISTING CRIMES* in the neighborhood
-- Zimmerman obviously was not a "traditional racist (based on ignorance)", but was *Biased* due to recent experiences and statistics.
-- Zimmerman made the mistake of exiting his vehicle when the dispatcher told him not to
-- Due to Zimmerman's potential *Bias* and/or *Fear for Neighbor's Life* he might have felt the "duty" to keep an "eye" on him until the police arrived (purely my own speculation)
-- Trayvon was *SEEN* (eyewitness) on top of Zimmerman and Punching him
-- Zimmerman was "trapped" under Trayvon, and as such this was a *FEDERAL* level Self Defense case:
.......Fear of death or severe bodily injury with no immediate retreat = right to use deadly force.


So:

Stand Your Ground = *NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS WHOLE THING*

Prejudice Bias = Based on Zimmerman's previous encounters and his neighbor's previous encounters

Racial Profiling = The final "Profile" of the "type of person" Zimmerman was to "Watch out for"



Prejudice Bias in this case *DOES NOT* mean that Zimmerman just shot him because he was black and Zimmerman is *Ignorantly* prejudice biased.

Racial Profiling in this case *DOES NOT* mean that Zimmerman came up with his "own" profile based on "ill-conceived" biases/reasons, but based on previous robberies and descriptions of "said robbers".


Either case....

There is a *BAD BUNCH* of Apples in Group #2 and Group #3 that seem to *want* to create a division between Americans...

There is a group of people (for the 100+ protests today), that are trying to "hop on any coat tail possible" to get their "organizations" exposed to the Black Community to try and *reduce* black crime...which in turn... will *reduce* the future prejudice biases towards "blacks"...

Finally, there is a group of "community organizers" and "public speakers" who understand in order to get an audience... you have to have a reason for the "audience" to come listen to you speak... if there is some form of "Racial Injustice" involved... the black community, from Group #2 and #3...perhaps a few from #1, will most definitively come out for "the cause".

All of this in the name of "not directly talking about the elephant in the room":

The fact that a "non-black" person is more likely to "use deadly force" when being straddled/pinned on the ground and pounded in the face by a "black young adult" than a "white young adult" should not *shock* anyone...

The common "black" music (youth oriented rap etc) talks/raps about black oppression, "the man", and generally about "taking justice into one's own hands", and the younger black generation is more likely to grow up in a tougher neighborhood where potentially disputes are handled through fighting disputes out (black on black crime is the highest it has ever been)....

As such... Trayvon was *just* as *biased* in his assessment of Zimmerman (i.e. "cracka comment")...which this is all *due to how Trayvon was raised*... how he was told to "handle older people" (i.e. you know: "respect your elders")...and also possibly had more of a "fight or flight" reaction...with the "flight" portion dulled out due to his upbringing (including the schools he attended).

So, the fact that had Trayvon been a white kid this whole thing might not have happened?

Sure... here is why:

Profile of a white 17 year old:
Caucasian Young Adult

Profile of a black 17 year old:
Black Young Adult

Immediately, Zimmerman *might* have stopped to ask him where he was going... and I say *might*... but he *might* not have... because he *DIDN'T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE PAST BURGLARS*.

If Zimmerman *had* stopped and asked the ~proposed~ white 17 year old where he was going?

Well... the white 17 year old very likely did *not* grow up under the same circumstance and more than likely *did not* perceive "rap" music or the like the same way someone who ~was black might~, and as such a white 17 year old kid might dress much differently... might not have even gone *out* at night to get food...and *might not* have smoked pot earlier...thus giving him the munchies to want to go out, in the rain, to get some "munchie food".

So... *ABSOLUTELY* had the boy been white...this all *very likely* would not have happened...

But... the *REASON(S)* as to why it would not have happened...and the *REASON(S)* the white 17 year old might have ~reacted differently~ has *NOTHING* to do with *IGNORANT* Prejudice Bias (#4 of "Reasons for racial profiling"), but has *EVERYTHING* to do with how a specific *PROFILE* of a specific *GROUP OF PEOPLE* which can be narrowed down to both Gender and Physical Appearance is a form of "Racial Profiling", but done so based on factual data of how those types of people have acted towards a specific other set of people (i.e. Neighborhood) in the past...

Everything else... is just a bunch of *MEDIA HYPE* and *POLITICAL LEVERAGE THROUGH SOCIOLOGICAL DIVISION*...

Trayvon's Dad or at *LEAST* his Dad's GIRLFRIEND ** HAD TO KNOW ** that they had been having issues in their neighborhood with robberies and while it sucked that it was always young black men spotted doing it... they *SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS* and *SAID SOMETHING OR DRIVEN TRAYVON* to get his food.

I think the *TWO* biggest mistakes on *BOTH* parties behalf were:

1.) Trayvon's Dad should have been more cautious with his son (always getting into trouble) =OR= Trayvon left without his Dad or Dad's Girlfriend knowing (to smoke a J and get munchie food).

2.) Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.


The rest is just how something like this is *most likely* to play through under these specific conditions due to *historic behaviors* of a specific race and gender in that region of Florida... biases all based on how a specific group of people had *historically behaved*...

Zimmerman was shorter and fatter and older...
Trayvon was taller (longer legs), lighter, and younger...

No one asked the question: "Why didn't he run home? He could have out run Zimmerman... no problem."
No one asked the question: "Did his Dad or Dad's Girlfriend know he went out at night and in the rain?"
No one asked the question: "What kind of parent allows their teenager to walk around at night in their neighborhood while it is raining and there have been lots of crimes?"

This is a case of mistakes in:
Decisions (Zimmerman)
Socially Influenced Biases (Media and Statistical Facts)
Poor Parenting (Trayvon's Parents/Dad/Girlfriend)
Understanding *Definitions* of words and their *CONTEXT*/*USAGE*

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PostFri Jul 26, 2013 2:24 am » by Truthdefender


Noentry wrote:
handy4321 wrote:
Which event are you referring to? If the "event" you are referring to is the shooting, it was immediately preceded by the ASSAULT AND BATTERY! Where I live, that is a crime. If someone were on top of me and bashing my head into the concrete, I would do whatever possible to put an end to it also. So you see, the word "innocent" does not fit Trayvon Martin in any way shape or form. Martin was in the middle of committing a crime and was stopped. He always had the choice not to commit that crime.


There is no proof he smashed his head into concrete. The only witness who saw Trayvon on top did not see this. So this is you being manipulated by the media

What you are doing is blaming this event on the result instead of the incitement.
What started this event? Who started this event?
At what point did this situation begin in your mind?


I received 8 years in prison for continuing to fight a man after he started it and then hit the ground, so according to the law, what Trayvon did was a felony--which was the first crime in this case. And felony assault does warrant self-defense in some form.


Edit:

And I was only 18, and yes NE, I recognize TM for what he was. Because I was him. Probably worse, but you know nothing of our culture. Your Joe Citizen here, brotha!
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