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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 4:17 pm » by Chronicnerd


I had posted this back in March of 2012:
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First, I *have* to say that the moderators locking this thread was a *good* thing. My initial posting pointed out hypocrisy amongst the black community *leaders*...

The *leaders* I would qualify as anyone who is viewed amongst the more "liberally influenced" black community as being a "voice of their community".


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I had made a *relatively* concise and accurate assessment of the situation, which quickly turned into comments of racial negativity more than a year ago when everyone thought "for sure" that this was a case of a "white man shooting a black child".

When one says "the black community is out of control and prejudice to boot"... it can seem like a "blanket statement"... which it really was not...

One needs to understand why I decided to call it "black community":
1.) There is no real "face" to this "community", but the "community" has many faces
2.) The "community" is *primarily* black Americans, but does contain other Americans of different skin pigmentation.
3.) The "community" does *NOT*, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that "all black people think/act this way"...but the *majority* of the "community" happens to be black and not as well educated as other Americans.
4.) The "community" is supported by already existing "African American"/"Black American" communities who's goal was to fight for black Americans rights.
5.) There are *many* black Americans who believe Zimmerman was not guilty, the black "communities" and media are blowing it out of proportion, and who understand that there are *much worse* issues and crimes that we all should be focusing on.
6.) When I state "black community", since there is no "official" title to this group of Americans who seem to want to create a very clear line between "white people" and "black people"...so...the usage of "black community" in *this* post (as well as my original post) is meant to be directed towards those within the Black American population who are willing to look past *facts* and *reality* in the name of "proving white people are all prejudice and only want to see black people fail" (or a general feeling along those lines).

*** WITH THIS ALL STATED CLEARLY AS TO WHICH BLACK AMERICANS I SPEAK OF ***

If you look at how the "community" is reacting to:

A fair trial with 6 jurors and a prosecution who failed to do *anything* but prove even further that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense.


But who can we point fingers at?!? (People love to point blame away from themselves)

It boils down to ** TWO ** Scenarios:

Zimmerman's part in the Tragedy:
Zimmerman "should" have listened to the dispatcher when she instructed him to stay in his car. Had he done this, but just followed Trayvon around in his car (Zimmerman's) then both would "possibly" be here still today and you would not be reading these typed words.


Trayvon's part in the Tragedy:
Zimmerman asked Trayvon where he was going and had some form of dialog with Zimmerman.
Trayvon could have *EASILY* at *ANY TIME* said/Yelled:
"Wait! I am staying with my Uncle here at (insert address here), and just trying to get home without getting too wet!"



Zimmerman:
Is Latin American, Irish, and Black American (genetics wise)... as in not a "cracka".
Helps non-profits and has a history of having *zero* prejudice towards people of different ethnic backgrounds / skin pigmentation.
He was even "voluntarily" acting as a neighborhood watch (as in not sitting at home all comfy, but giving back to the community).
Had no record of violence or crimes up until this incident.


Trayvon Martin:
I am sure was a good kid, but *seemed* to have ended up in a "bad crowd".
Had a long record of violence, drugs, and even...theft...
Had THC in his blood according to the autopsy.
Had an Uncle who evidently "allowed" Trayvon to go out in the neighborhood, at night, while it was raining/drizzling, to go get a drink and some candy...even though the entire neighborhood *knew* there had been all sorts of burglaries.



My Personal Opinion Now that all Information is Available:
I think Zimmerman *definitely* needs to have his CHL *revoked*, because anyone teaching a CHL class would have said the right "answer" was to not put oneself in danger...a concealed gun is for protection and defense when on a civilian...not law enforcement. This assessment is fair...and accurate...whether one wants to believe it or not. Perhaps suspension until he has re-taken the CHL *once more*, because he evidently was not trained well or did not listen during the part where the instructor defined "why one would want to carry a concealed handgun on oneself" as well as did not listen to or was not instructed in his CHL class when they covered CHLs and police encounters and how one must properly act in order to avoid "accidents or misunderstandings".

However....

Trayvon Martin *should* have:
Immediately Identified himself as a nephew of someone living in the neighborhood, and not try to "avoid" or "agitate" the situation.
The minute *any* form of close encounter happened, he should have...*again*... ~ IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AND WHO HE WAS STAYING WITH ~

Finally, his Uncle/Aunt should have *KNOWN* better than to allow Trayvon to go outside at that hour with all of the crime happening, which only leads one to *SPECULATE* (as in this is speculation) that Trayvon Martin had "sneaked" out of the house to smoke a bowl/blunt/roach and get some "munchie" food...without his Uncle knowing.

The fact that he had THC in his blood (enough to know that he had smoked earlier that evening before being shot), leads one to believe:

Trayvon ~probably~ was more *PARANOID* than usual, because he was ~HIGH~.
Trayvon ~probably~ ditched any "evidence" of "weed" he might have had on him, thus why he "disappeared" when he was asked by Zimmerman where he was going (i.e. paranoid he would get caught with drugs...*again*).

Finally, we have *no* specific information as to the *exact* reason why he was staying with his Uncle, but he had *recently* been expelled from School and I am sure he felt like he "couldn't afford getting into any more trouble"... and as such... tried to avoid... and perhaps panic of some form towards the end which *very well* could have led to "a misunderstanding" as to what Zimmerman was *REALLY* trying to do...


This *WHOLE* thing could have been avoided if Trayvon had simply told Zimmerman he was just trying to get back to his Uncle's home...in the neighborhood...if Trayvon gave an address =OR= simply his Uncle's name...it very well could be that Zimmerman would have at least "known" of his Uncle and/or his Uncle's home and would have possibly offered Trayvon a ride back home out of the rain.

I know... sounds almost impossible...Zimmerman giving Trayvon a ride back to his Uncle's house...but when you hear what all Zimmerman was involved with, community wise and non-profit wise, you then one can see that it is very *probable* that had Zimmerman *known* who Trayvon was...or where he was staying in the neighborhood... he would have just simply left him alone and/or offered to help get him home (saying something to the effect "we have had lots of robberies here, let me get you back home safely).

It sounds almost *impossible*... to many I am sure... but not *ONCE* did I hear or see *ANYTHING* from the prosecution that showed Trayvon Martin tried to *IDENTIFY HIMSELF* to Zimmerman...

Not ONCE...

What we do know is that:
Trayvon was using foul language while on the phone with his "girlfriend", and while interacting with Zimmerman.
Trayvon tried to flee from Zimmerman initially.
Trayvon resisted in some way/shape or form.
Trayvon *never* knocked on the closest house to ask for help (if he really thought he was in danger)
Trayvon *had a phone* and *NEVER* dialed 911 to tell the cops "someone is following me".
Trayvon was *high*...which distorts perception of events happening as well as make "scary" situations seem "more intense"...

We also know that:
His guardians in the neighborhood (Uncle) either *allowed* him to go out at night *or* he sneaked out...but either case...there is *NO RECORD* of them trying to call him during the period of the incident. This leads one to believe they had "no idea" or "were not being very smart" about allowing him to "go outside at night" (with Trayvon's history and the neighborhood's history...not a very good mix).


So... in the end...

We had a full trial.
The prosecution had *PLENTY* of time to gather information.
The prosecution had *The Upper Hand* when it came to the MEDIA COVERAGE.
The prosecution changed the charges several times, even in the *MIDDLE* of the trial.
The Judge harassed Zimmerman during the trial.
The jury were all women, some black, some mothers of children themselves.

When everything was "said and done", there was:

Evidence that Trayvon Martin responded in a "suspicious" way as well as a "foul language" way.
Evidence that Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin were fighting.
Evidence that Trayvon Martin *had to be on top of Zimmerman* when the gun fired.
Evidence that Trayvon Martin *thought Zimmerman was a "craka" white man*, and expressed this...
Evidence that Trayvon Martin was physically assaulting Zimmerman...
Evidence that Trayvon Martin was high (high levels of THC in his blood)...
Evidence from an eye witness account of Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him...



*** Bringing it Full Circle ***

The very first link to the old posting outlined many of the people involved (all the way up to Mr. Obama himself)...

Even though there was a *VERY* fair trial (in favor of Trayvon Martin), the "Black Community" *STILL* thinks there is some form of "injustice" that happened...

A full trial...
All evidence points to an "escalating" event that could have been *easily* stopped with Trayvon taking 5-10 seconds of his life...to tell Zimmerman who he was and where he was staying...which he never did.


How many people would tell their kids to attack someone who is in a car and asking them "who they were and where they were going"?

How many people that lived in a neighborhood that had so many burglaries would allow their Nephew to go out, in the rain, to get junk food from a "Circle-K/Stop and Shop"?

How many people would tell someone asking them "who they were and where they were going" to "F-Off and mind their own business"?



Now... we have Eric Holder wanting to make this a "Civil Rights" violation... and the "Black Community" supporting it...as well as we have "Black Community Leaders" calling for riots...


Even though...the evidence is clear...the jury had their verdict...and Zimmerman was found "Not Guilty" of 2nd Degree murder...but guilty of "self defense murder"...

Other than the bullet hole (which is a tragedy indeed), Trayvon had no "scratches" or "bruises"...
Zimmerman had a broken nose, bruises, and cuts on the back of his head..


Yet the "Black Community" doesn't like this Reality...

Of course we have things like this happening *EVERY DAY*:

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So...

We have *JUST A SMALL SAMPLE* above of what I would say is 1,000x worse than what we have *ALL* been focusing on...

The Trayvon Martin case is *NOTHING* compared to some of the things happening...

Do we see white people rioting in the streets?
Do we see "White Power" groups all up in arms?

Nope...

But we sure do hear *QUITE* a bit about a 17 year old, 160-170 lb, 6' tall black *young adult* who was *on top* of Zimmerman *punching him* and *banging his head on the concrete*...who then got shot by Zimmerman...

Could Zimmerman have rolled him off?

Maybe... but then again... if you had a gun and where in Zimmerman's place...with adrenaline pumping and possibly some panic... might you have reached for your gun, pointed in a general direction, and fired?

If the man on you started struggling for your gun...might you have struggled against him and possibly pulled the trigger?


And what of all of these "Black on White" hate crimes? A black man breaking into a home, brutally beating a white woman in front of her child... a black teenager robs a store and shoots a 13 month old "white" baby...and the list goes on and on...

Yet... Trayvon Martin...has had his "Civil Rights" violated?

Yeah... the "Black Community" (per initial definition at top of this post) is *most definitely* out of control...

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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 4:29 pm » by The57ironman


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..a very well presented post.. :cheers: Chronicnerd
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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 4:49 pm » by Domeika



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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 4:54 pm » by SolStone


Chronicnerd,
Bless you for expending the mental energy and patience to tip-toe over the sensitivities of the ignorant.

MODerators,
With a presentation like that, I hope you keep the race-baiters out so that the intelligent and open-minded can explore what has been so carefully written.

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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 5:05 pm » by Chronicnerd




Good post and thanks for *CLEARING* up my *IGNORANCE* on *WHO* he was staying with.

This one link shows us all that everything you read is *probably* not 100% accurate...because we are all human and make mistakes...

So... please *SCRATCH* "Uncle" and replace with "Dad's Girlfriend"... which doesn't really make any difference (whether Uncle or Girlfriend of Dad)...in the end result...which is the death of a person that could have been avoided...

Good post and thanks for helping clear up the *true* facts...

Trayvon was staying with his Dad's *Girlfriend* in the neighborhood.

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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 5:16 pm » by Truthdefender


July 15, 2013, 7:12 p.m. ET

Jason Riley: Race, Politics and the Zimmerman Trial
The left wants to blame black criminality on racial animus and 'the system,' but blacks have long been part of running that system.

George Zimmerman's acquittal of murder charges in a Florida court has been followed by predictable calls for America to have a "national conversation" about this or that aspect of the case. President Obama wants to talk about gun control. Civil-rights leaders want to talk about racial profiling. Others want to discuss how the American criminal justice system supposedly targets black men.

All of which is fine. Just don't expect these conversations to be especially illuminating or honest. Liberals in general, and the black left in particular, like the idea of talking about racial problems, but in practice they typically ignore the most relevant aspects of any such discussion.

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.

The jury's only job in the Zimmerman trial was to determine whether the defendant broke the law when he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year in a gated community near Orlando, Fla. In cases of self-defense, it doesn't matter who initiated the confrontation; whether Mr. Zimmerman singled out Martin because he was a black youngster in a neighborhood where there had been a series of burglaries by black youngsters; or whether Mr. Zimmerman disregarded what the police dispatcher told him before he got out of his car. Nor does it matter that Martin was unarmed and minding his own business when Mr. Zimmerman approached.

All that really mattered in that courtroom is whether Mr. Zimmerman reasonably believed that his life was in danger when he pulled the trigger. Critics of the verdict might not like the statutes that allowed for this outcome, but the proper response would not have been for the jury to ignore them and convict.

Did the perception of black criminality play a role in Martin's death? We may never know for certain, but we do know that those negative perceptions of young black men are rooted in hard data on who commits crimes. We also know that young black men will not change how they are perceived until they change how they behave.

The homicide rate claiming black victims today is seven times that of whites, and the George Zimmermans of the world are not the reason. Some 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

So let's have our discussions, even if the only one that really needs to occur is within the black community. Civil-rights leaders today choose to keep the focus on white racism instead of personal responsibility, but their predecessors knew better.

"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards," Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. "We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."

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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 5:17 pm » by Spock


What's really a shame, is that you understood the need to go into such an in depth disclaimer. Trust me, I understand. Sometimes though, it's fun to watch people get all bent out of shape.

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PostTue Jul 16, 2013 5:26 pm » by Kinninigan


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i listen to this show everyday, i was posting them for a while but nobody seemed interested so i stopped ( i probley have the lowest comment to thread ratio here, i write ten posts im lucky to get comments in even half of them anymore! :mrgreen: )

savage goes into this in detail, with callers too chimming in of all races

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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 4:13 pm » by Noentry


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I see a boy who had committed no crime went to shop, bought some sweets and was gun down on his way home. The law says Zimmerman is not guilty.
Its the minors fault for :headscratch: acting like a minor.
Not the adult who followed an innocent boy, Zimmerman was in his rights to kill an unarmed minor who had broken no laws.

Bravo fucking bravo :clapper:
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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 4:55 pm » by handy4321


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I see a boy who had committed no crime went to shop, bought some sweets and was gun down on his way home. The law says Zimmerman is not guilty.
Its the minors fault for :headscratch: acting like a minor.
Not the adult who followed an innocent boy, Zimmerman was in his rights to kill an unarmed minor who had broken no laws.

Bravo fucking bravo :clapper:


The man in the video who broke in and beat the woman in front of her child was also unarmed. I guess he is also a victim of racial profiling as well? Yes, poor, poor non-violent, innocent teen! You are a piece of work!
So, what you are saying is that Martin had the right to self-defence even if there was no threat to his safety, but Zimmerman had no right to self-defence while getting his skull caved in, correct?
Also, is assault and battery not against the law?


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