A word of advice to Truth seekers

Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:20 pm » by **Freedomofwill**

In my journey's to seeking the truth I have noticed a few things.

In my journey's of going through most articles in the Newspaper or on-line. A lot of the story's are completely different, different origins, and none of them had a real grasp of who we are, or what we are doing here. Only very few had some potential of truth.

I just wanted to say that especially today there's quite a few News article's out there that does seem very credible. But please remember that you don't have to take it as religion. If it's something you don't want to believe then don't believe it.

I have met many people who claim to have died, and most of their stories are different, and strangely enough each person has met a completely different entity, or completely different version of god. And their stories with experiences with entities seemed different to each other, and yet there was proof that they actually died. So please keep that in mind.

So perhaps what we are all seeking may not be here on this realm on all but may be located on a much higher relm, or stuck inside our minds ready to be hacked.

So please remember that when you are reading information you think to be true. Because the truth is it'll take a million life time's to understand who we really are, and many lifetimes to discover what we are capable of living.

We all have different path's, different destiny's, different experiences. Don't let anyone else's experience or destiny get in the way of achieving your own destiny. And remember that your friends world could be completely different to your own, with different rules.

I hope that this will make things slightly less confusing, and when someone approaches you and tell's you a story with an entity, or an experience. Listen to them, listen to all their stories. There might be a common theme involved, or maybe you might figure something out you haven't figured out before.

Look really hard, look deep, figure it out.

Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:52 pm » by **Allreadydead**

This was my reply to another Board topic, but I think it's relevant to this one!

Ah, the good old 'TRUTH', the poor abused thing, the most maligned expression in history, apart from prehaps, 'Oh God!', You see, the TRUTH has been used to commit some of the most awful, bloody, terrible, dreadful etc (I think you get the picture..) incidents in the entire history of the human race.

Everyone has abused it - they have gone to war on the strength of it, they took innocent men, women and children and burnt them alive in it's name, they tortured human's using racks, iron-maidens (not the rock group!) weights and chains,they gouged out eyes and cut off limbs, they invaded countries and murdered, tortured and raped, committed theft and and when (if anyone dared ask - why?) they proclaimed because IT'S THE TRUTH!

and that was just the Christian version of the TRUTH!................

There are lots more 'versions' of the good ole 'TRUTH' out there, I think most people can make up their own lists, horrifying isn't it?

The real truth has long since ran away from humanity, it's probably in hiding somewhere, and like old Bin Larden, no-one seems to be able to find it again - maybe the FBI should put it on the 'Most wanted Listing'.

I won't make any quotes about the truth, that's been done by far more intelligent people, and there are even websites dedicated to such quotes: e.g.

http://www.10ktruth.com/the_quotes/truth.htm

Yeah, it's a funny old thing, that 'TRUTH' - it's more felixable than an epileptic snakes arse!

and just about as difficult to find!

Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:55 pm » by **Kingz**

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ton+wilson

:sunny:

edit: still don't understand why there isn't a single thread about this genius... wonder if people here even heard of him? :headscratch:

Later I will post a nice thread about him, my computer is tripping as hell at the moment :hell:

Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:01 pm » by **Hayden**

Oh Lord make me clever enough to understand what 'Truth' is or at least stupid enough to pretend I do, if your not too buzy, and if you actually exist. :hugging:

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:02 am » by **Allreadydead**

Oh Lord make me clever enough to understand what 'Truth' is or at least stupid enough to pretend I do, if your not too buzy, and if you actually exist.

This is what I posted on another forum, and of yet recieved no reply fom Lowsix, check that forum out and see what you think.

Actually, it's the strongest argument I've ever heard for the conception of no god - because, taking the christian faith, does it not ask it followers to have the simple faith of children and not complex as you seem to believe it should be - did not Jesus mention about harming children and allowing them to come to him? So, Jesus was all for helping and nurturing children. so must his 'Dad' - or maybe not.

there are children, in their millions, dying each year on this planet (sometimes for the want of a glass of clean water!!!) , oh, and don't forget the suffering, pain and agony, before the little angels actually 'Go to heaven' - This in the name of god?, to glorify him? To fullfill some mystic plan?

Answer me this (put yourself in a loving fathers shoes - say as God) "Would you honestly stand by and see all those innocent children die, sometimes quite horribly, and DO NOTHING?"

Yes or No. Simple isn't it - not a complex conception of God needed really.

If the answer is YES - what sort of God is this - we'd certainly could be better off on our own.

If the answer is NO - Then why the hell doesn't he do something about it! - he used to make lots of appearances in the 'good old days', destroying whole cities, turning women to salt, asking people to sacrifice their sons etc. he wasn't slow in coming forward then and interfering in man's affairs - he's been really quiet lately, just when we need him the most.

if this god was benevolent, loving, benign and cherished his children, like any real father would, he may put in a few more appearances and actually do some good in the world he created?

Why doesn't he?

Please don't answer that he 'moves in mysterious ways', or all will be known in the end, he gave humans free-will, etc. because that's really unacceptable - that's like the old chesnut, well, he changes things through the actions of people and guides the world through them.....

If that's his plan, it has gone seriously off the ralls - just in recent times we've had two wars which killed more people, than all the previous wars achieved before, ever, in history. In one of them we used atomic weapons on civilians, men, women and children (prehaps as much loved as the one in the story above) so, using your argument, if there was a god:
INCINERATED CHILDREN = THERE IS A GOD! because he's all knowing and has a hand in everything........

Just answer this one last question:

If god is infinate, all-knowing, all powerfull, all ways present (in the begining and in the end of time) why the hell doesn't he do something about this crazy, F'#*$$=d up planet and the murdering, greedy dreadful creatures that inhabit it? (thats us humans by the way).

Well, there's two answers to that question,(if I may offer my opinion before you reply)

1. He doesn't do anything because he's given up on his children, or his too busy to notice the starvation, genocide, wars etc taking place - pretty odd for someone that is all knowing -
or he really doesn't give a shit about his supreme creation and is leaving it to it's own fate.

2. He doesn't actually exist.

Frankly, I know which one appears to be the answer, but, hey, their your questions.

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:08 am » by **Naranja**

What if truth is relative?

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:12 am » by **Kingz**

naranja wrote:What if truth is relative?

is that a retorical question...?

Because in my understanding everything is relative.... even the speed of light.

something to think about,.. in the meanwhile i'm fixing a new thread about him

and if you watch this video, please..... understand that even that video is relative hehehh
Just watch it, probably some food for thought! :sunny:

Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm » by **Hayden**

That is the problem with belief allreadydead ; It manufactures 'Truth', belief without 'proof' equals 'faith'. I agree with Michel Foucault " There is no truth, only the discourses upto it's nature". Peace.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:29 pm » by **Allreadydead**

@hayden, thanks for replying to my posts :flop:

That is the problem with belief allreadydead ; It manufactures 'Truth', belief without 'proof' equals 'faith'. I agree with Michel Foucault " There is no truth, only the discourses upto it's nature". Peace.

Michel Fourcault said a few things - it's great to have him quoted!

Your quite correct that belief manufactures 'Truth' without any 'proof' and that turns into 'faith' - most people would argue that 'truth' real truth, is someone's perception of reality, a fact if you like and boy, can facts be distorted - both by the person stating it and by the person listening to it. Despite what people have seen or heard, or experienced the facts are how they seen them! - and not just the fact of the matter in question.

Example: John Brown is dead. A simple statement of fact, so you would believe! well, old John is definately dead - they burned him at the crematorium with some rituals.

Now old John (or the body of John) has gone and its very unlikely that any one will see or hear from him again! Now that's a pretty strong fact for any rational intelligent thinking human to grasp. But no!

According to some the fact is that John is still around! Yes, incredible ain't it! He has died, all his bodily functions have ceased and in fact, his now ash! - but he is still around - in some other form possibly - and to the people who 'belive' that: It's a fact!!! That's their version of the truth, no real evidence (as accepted in say, the scientific community who (most of the time - cllimate-gate anyone? ) prove the facts of any discovery they made.

And try to tell them they have the FACT's wrong? No chance!

The REAL fact is that poor old John Brown is REALLY DEAD! As a human, he has gone, forever (unless that can clone some of his ash and make a new body, but the new John Brown still wouldn't be the old John Brown!) Thats a simple Fact isn't it?

sadly no, and until most people can see a real fact staring them in the face, without religion, belief systems, etc. there will always be different versions of the 'Truth' out there.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:41 pm » by **Explorer**

"The truth is found when men are free to pursue it."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

May not happen in my lifetime. :look: