..again...Do you have a gun in your House?

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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 6:53 pm » by The57ironman


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the old veteran wrote:.

"Do you have a gun in your House?"

When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in

the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay , the

insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two

weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did

I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.

FYI, I am passing this along...there are comments from two other

people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The

nurse just kinda slipped it in along with all the other regular

questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the

law to ask.

Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral

answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor

asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of

course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a

loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a

certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security,

advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against

criminal attack.

The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on

Medicare, and probably everyone else.

Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor

other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation.. One

of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any

guns in your house?? My answer was None of your damn business!!

So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government

intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the

government gets into your medical records (as they want to under

Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in

lock and load!!

Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun

owners...Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had

a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out

something very interesting that I would like to pass along.

While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at

the end of the exam, three questions:1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I

feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?

The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the

questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would

have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it

to Homeland Security.

Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like

retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go

after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and

be aware..

The Obama administration has gone on record as considering

veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun

owner, veteran or not, YOU"VE BEEN WARNED !

If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them.

Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.












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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 7:01 pm » by Tonyw


I use to have a .44 Magnum the kind dirty Harry had, and a colt 45 auto circa 1939, and Nickel plated and still fired like a dream. When the Gun laws came into operation here in the UK i had to get rid of them. I wish I'd got them now.
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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 7:29 pm » by Hr2burn


That's messed up, how do they even feel they have a right to ask such a thing?! At this rate I expect it will be illegal to have any kitchen knives longer than 6". It's sad that when I was younger, I was proud of being American, I was proud of our political system. The older I get, the more things I see happen, I realize we are not who I once thought we were. We had more success when we worked collectively for the good of the country. I wonder if they will ever see that.
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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 7:30 pm » by Noentry


I do have mixed views on gun ownership.

On the one hand I dont like the way they are to easily available.

And on the other hand I accept they are a great tool for the protection of the rights of Americans.

It is gonna be pretty tough finding a middle point between the two.

I dont see a problem with the government trying to find those, who are a danger to themselves and others.
But I also dont like the way the same government, is attacking the rights of free speech and the rights of the individuals.

I dont envy the paradox of the situation.
There are tough times coming, that is for sure.
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The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority.
The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking."
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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 7:34 pm » by The57ironman


Noentry wrote:I do have mixed views on gun ownership.



It is gonna be pretty tough finding a middle point between the two.


There are tough times coming, that is for sure.

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...i don't think there is a middle point....


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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 8:01 pm » by Constabul


Gun Control Timeline

When did this whole gun control debate start?

It could have started shortly after November 22, 1963 when evidence in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy increased public awareness to the relative lack of control over the sale and possession of firearms in America. Indeed, until 1968, handguns, rifles, shotguns, and ammunition were commonly sold over-the-counter and through mail-order catalogs and magazines to just about any adult anywhere in the nation.

However, America's history of regulating private ownership of firearms goes back much farther. In fact, all the way back to...

1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.

1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.

1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.

1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is organized around its primary goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.

1927
Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.

1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934 regulating only fully automatic firearms like sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.

1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.

1968
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - "...was enacted for the purpose of keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence." -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.

1972
The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.

1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.

1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act (Public Law 99-570) increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.

The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.

The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.

1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground.

1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.

1994
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-159) imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns. (ATF's Brady Law web site.)

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-322) bans all sale, manufacture, importation, or possession of a number of specific types of assault weapons.

1997
The Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.

The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.

Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.

1998 - June
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 while Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.

1998 - July
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.

But, the Senate approves an amendment requiring gun dealers to have trigger locks available for sale and creating federal grants for gun safety and education programs.

1998 - October
New Orleans, LA becomes the first US city to file suit against gun makers, firearms trade associations, and gun dealers. The city's suit seeks recovery of costs attributed to gun-related violence.

1998 - November 12
Chicago, IL files a $433 million suit against local gun dealers and makers alleging that oversupplying local markets provided guns to criminals.

1998 - November 17
A negligence suite against gun maker Beretta brought by the family of a 14-year old boy killed by an other boy with a Beretta handgun is dismissed by a California jury.

1998 - November 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.

1998 - December 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.

1998 - December 5
President Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.

1999 - January
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.

1999 - May 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Gore, the Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.

1999 - August 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years.

2008
Washington D.C. Handgun Ban Dismissed
In District of Columbia v. Heller, a landmark case, the Supreme Court dismisses the Washington, D.C. handgun ban. The court ruled that the Second Amendment of the U. S. Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use within the home in federal enclaves, which the District of Columbia is considered.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092699.htm

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/guntime1.html#2008

Let us also not forget fast and furious scandal, Which really should bring into question any action claimed by the government as reason to restrict gun possession. As it really is a good example of the manipulation used to shift public opinion. Not that crazy does not happen. But in many instances where it is claimed that US gun laws cause crime, it could vary well be those claiming it, who enabled it.
With the purpose of limiting to erasing the public ability to hold any sort of power to effect the course of government gone wild.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty . . . And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 8:15 pm » by Muchtyman


Things are somewhat different here


Inverness man jailed after cops discover stun gun in house

POLICE found an electronic stun gun as well as rounds of live ammunition in a house in Inverness.

The discovery led to James Bruce being jailed for a year on Friday – but he is likely to be released soon as he has been locked up since the find in March.

At Inverness Sheriff Court, Bruce (44) of £££££££ Crescent, Inverness, admitted on March 2 and 3 at his home being in illegal possession of a Taser-style gun, a prohibited weapon, and bullet cartridges in contravention of the Firearms Act.

Depute Fiscal Ian Smith said two 9mm rounds of ammunition were found in a wooden box under a table in the living room and the stun gun device beside the fireplace.


"He did not have authority to have the stun gun," added Mr Smith.


http://www.highland-news.co.uk/News/Inv ... 082012.htm


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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 8:59 pm » by The57ironman


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PostMon Aug 20, 2012 9:27 pm » by Muchtyman


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I agree wholeheartedly , but for those watching , all I have is a big stick .

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PostTue Aug 21, 2012 8:41 am » by Oreocannon


wow thats just horrible. they make doctors now ask if you have guns? lol
last night i was watching the expendables 2 (yea on an illegal torrent)
and van damme has a tattoo on his neck of the devil goat
what the.......seriously?


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