Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin'

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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 3:41 pm » by Torofamily


Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin'

Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack, according to a study published in medical journal the Lancet.

The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former UK chief drugs adviser who was sacked by the government in October 2009.

It ranks 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.

Tobacco and cocaine are judged to be equally harmful, while ecstasy and LSD are among the least damaging.

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Prof Nutt refused to leave the drugs debate when he was sacked from his official post by the former Labour Home Secretary, Alan Johnson.

He went on to form the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, a body which aims to investigate the drug issue without any political interference.

One of its other members is Dr Les King, another former government adviser who quit over Prof Nutt's treatment.

Members of the group, joined by two other experts, scored each drug for harms including mental and physical damage, addiction, crime and costs to the economy and communities.

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The modelling exercise concluded that heroin, crack and methylamphetamine, also known as crystal meth, were the most harmful drugs to individuals, but alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the most harmful to society.

When the scores for both types of harm were added together, alcohol emerged as the most harmful drug, followed by heroin and crack.
'Valid and necessary'

The findings run contrary to the government's long-established drug classification system, but the paper's authors argue that their system - based on the consensus of experts - provides an accurate assessment of harm for policy makers.

"Our findings lend support to previous work in the UK and the Netherlands, confirming that the present drug classification systems have little relation to the evidence of harm," the paper says.

"They also accord with the conclusions of previous expert reports that aggressively targeting alcohol harms is a valid and necessary public health strategy."

In 2007, Prof Nutt and colleagues undertook a limited attempt to create a harm ranking system, sparking controversy over the criteria and the findings.

The new more complex system ranked alcohol three times more harmful than cocaine or tobacco. Ecstasy was ranked as causing one-eighth the harm of alcohol.

It also contradicted the Home Office's decision to make so-called legal high mephedrone a Class B drug, saying that alcohol was five times more harmful. The rankings have been published to coincide with a conference on drugs policy, organised by Prof Nutt's committee.
'Extraordinary lengths'

Prof Nutt told the BBC: "Overall, alcohol is the most harmful drug because it's so widely used.

"Crack cocaine is more addictive than alcohol but because alcohol is so widely used there are hundreds of thousands of people who crave alcohol every day, and those people will go to extraordinary lengths to get it."

He said it was important to separate harm to individuals and harm to society.

The Lancet paper written by Prof Nutt, Dr King and Dr Lawrence Phillips, does not examine the harm caused to users by taking more than one drug at a time.

Gavin Partington, spokesman for the Wine and Spirit Trade Association, said millions of people enjoyed alcohol "as part of a regular and enjoyable social drink".

"Clearly alcohol misuse is a problem in the country and our real fear is that, by talking in such extreme terms, Professor Nutt and his colleagues risk switching people off from considering the real issues and the real action that is needed to tackle alcohol misuse," he said.

"We are talking about a minority. We need to focus policy around that minority, which is to do with education, treatment and enforcement."

A Home Office spokesman said: "Our priorities are clear - we want to reduce drug use, crack down on drug-related crime and disorder and help addicts come off drugs for good."
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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 3:45 pm » by TheDuck


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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 3:57 pm » by Torofamily


theduck wrote:I'm calling BS I'm afraid :D


probably is Duck .......still thought it was interesting and even kind of funny

remind me of growing up in the Bronx :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:






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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:00 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: lets all start taking cracks in stead of a :cheers: :dancing: :dancing:

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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:05 pm » by Boondox681


Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin'

i'd have to agree.
the reason..
there's a bar or liquor store on EVERY corner in denver.
do you know how many phone calls it takes to find heroin?
'nuff said.
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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:10 pm » by TheDuck


boondox681 wrote:
Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin'

i'd have to agree.
the reason..
there's a bar or liquor store on EVERY corner in denver.
do you know how many phone calls it takes to find heroin?
'nuff said.


With that logic then yes I agree, but as a drug then I don't.

That's all I'm getting at, just sounds like a pointless study to me, my Mrs' told me about it about an hour ago...
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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:11 pm » by Dank1


it's all fuckin garble i had a uncle who was a heroin junky and a full blow alcoholic he was literally a bag of bones,when he died it was extremelly painful he vomited his guts right out of his body when we found him his guts were on the floor next to him and his jaw was almost ripped off his face it was the most fucked up thing ive ever seen and ive seen people get murdered before due to gangs and that was nothing compared to that . the world needs to relize that the human body is designed to USE CANNABIS our brains have cannabinoid receptors that except the CHEMICALS FOUND IN DOPE , thc/cbn/cbc yet it remains illegal thats like saying food is illegal because it has crucial vitamins in it that keep you balanced.hard drugs are a joke ive tried them all at least once some a few more than that but nothing and i mean nothing keeps me more level headed and normal than buds.
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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:17 pm » by TheDuck


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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:22 pm » by Dank1


duck id like you to be a member of cannabis culture magazine forums i know you have the right stuff to help the world see past just the conspiracy's, im there also under the same name plus they have a conspiracy section there that needs attention ive been there lately and not here
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PostMon Nov 01, 2010 4:34 pm » by Thruster


It really pisses me off the way the media continually change the goal posts on this subject. One minute red wine is better for you than white wine, next it's the oposite way about. then the government chime in by dropping ecstasy down a class or two and move canibus up a class then change it again. Now it's alchohol is more dangerous than heroin. I think 'They' just change the info around so whatever is not selling very well (and I'm including class A drugs because we know 'They' are most involved in in selling it to us) so that sales on a product pick up.

How many ex-junkies who are using alchohol to get them off heroin are going to go back on Smack after hearing this crap on the news?
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