Aleister Crowley, for those that didnt know...

[Megame23 Profile]

Aleister Crowley was an evil occultist bastard who had great influence on many people today. He was propped up by Illuminati infiltrated group such as the Beatles.

So just to clear up the debate that should not exist on weather or not this man is evil:

From Crowley's book, “Magick in Theory and Practice”

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony — thus, by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such a case a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin — the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. For evocations it would be more convenient to place the blood of the victim in the Triangle — the idea being that the spirit might obtain from the blood this subtle but physical substance which was the quintessence of its life in such a manner as to enable it to take on a visible and tangible shape.

Those magicians who object to the use of blood have endeavored to replace it with incense. For such a purpose the incense of Abramelin may be burnt in large quantities. Dittany of Crete is also a valuable medium. Both these incenses are very catholic in their nature, and suitable for almost any materialization. But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best. The truly great Magician will be able to use his own blood, or possibly that of a disciple, and that without sacrificing the physical life irrevocably. An example of this sacrifice is given in Chapter 44 of Liber 333. This Mass may be recommended generally for daily practice.

One last word on this subject. There is a Magical operation of maximum importance: the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World Ceremony of the Proclamation of Horus, the Crowned and conquering Child, as Lord of the Aeon.

This whole matter is prophesied in the Book of the Law itself; let the student take note, and enter the ranks of the Host of the Sun.

II There is another sacrifice with regard to which the Adepts have always maintained the most profound secrecy. It is the supreme mystery of practical Magick. Its name is the Formula of the Rosy Cross. In this case the victim is always — in a certain sense — the Magician himself, and the sacrifice must coincide with the utterance of the most sublime and secret name of the God whom he wishes to invoke.

The secret god he speaks of is Lucifer.

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Interesting post I like to learn about crowley and stuff, he is a strange figure in history like L Ron Hubbard but alot of the stuff written about Crowley and Hubbard was mostly made up to build them up to have a Star like persona for them.

What if I told you that Crowley didnt really write that lol It was Crowleys interpretation of a very old book of spells known as Abramelin magick. It was written by Abramelin the mage during the times of old and most of Crowleys work was based on the works of Abramelin, I bet Crowley wished he had thought up all that stuff though..

The original book exists in the form of six manuscripts and an early printed edition.

The import of a very old translation of the magic of Abramelin the Mage was used in many publications after its translation It was a very early story about the mage and his journeys in early egypts recorded history.

(yeah real dungeons and dragons type stuff)

The Book of Abramelin tells the story of an Egyptian mage named Abramelin, or Abra-Melin, who taught a system of magic to Abraham of Worms,The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, its import within the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and later within the mystical system of Thelema (created in 1904 by Aleister Crowley).

The story of lucifer is a rather recent concept and the Christian history only goes back a few thousand years and does not take in effect anything before that time.

Anyway my point is that I dont know if the entity that Crowley communicated with can be called lucifer or the devil considering the stories of Abramelin pre-date the concept, and the idea of lucifer hadnt been thought up or written about yet. But it still could have been some early evil thing that mages believed in.

All that history was erased and the bible only covers 6000 years or so , where as real history goes back tens of thousands of years but you are just not supposed to know that...

The actual book of crowleys can be found online for free to read in chapters on many websites and is some pretty interesting stuff if your into lord of the rings type stuff (no joke)

Heres a link (when i try and read Crowleys work it makes me think about Gandalf)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/aba.htm

Also you have to kinda put yourself in that time period, all those old times before and even during the old testament of the bible spoke of sacrifice and was part of the mentality of the time but im not promoting it or anything lol

Good post megame23

[Charashc Profile]

It's very important, while mentioning Aleister Crowley, to say that he had daughter with Pauline Pierce, Barbara Pierce. Barbara Pierce is to become Barbara Bush and give birth to a perversion that doesn't deserve to be called human - Crowleys monstrous grandson - George W. Bush.

[Edgarrothstein Profile]

Here's a little known website about the O.T.O. phenomenon , its beginning, history, etc.

A lot of info, but worth reading :

http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/

He was a total wanker.

[7hidden7agenda7 Profile]

Hey douche fag . lets look at that in context shall we?

CHAPTER XII
OF THE BLOODY SACRIFICE: AND MATTERS COGNATE.
It is necessary for us to consider carefully the problems connected with the bloody sacrifice, for this question is indeed traditionally important in Magick. Nigh all ancient Magick revolves around this matter. In particular all the Osirian religions --- the rites of the Dying God --- refer to this. The slaying of Osiris and Adonis; the mutilation of Attis; the cults of Mexico and Peru; the story of Hercules or Melcarth; the legends of Dionysus and of Mithra, are all connected with this one idea. In the Hebrew religion we find the same thing inculcated. The first ethical lesson in the Bible is that the only sacrifice pleasing to the Lord is the sacrifice of blood; Abel, who made this, finding favour with the Lord, while Cain, who offered cabbages, was rather naturally considered a cheap sport. The idea recurs again and again.
We have the sacrifice of the Passover, following on the story of Abraham's being commanded to sacrifice his firstborn son, with the idea of the substitution of animal for human life. The annual ceremony of the two goats carries out this in perpetuity. And we see again the domination of this idea in the romance of Esther, where Haman and Mordecai are the two goats or gods; and ultimately in the presentation of the rite of Purim in Palestine, where Jesus and Barabbas happened to be the Goats in that particular year of which we hear so much, without agreement on the date.
This subject must be studied in the "Golden Bough", where it is most learnedly set forth by Dr. J. G. Frazer.
Enough has now been said to show that the bloody sacrifice has from time immemorial been the most considered part of Magick. {92} The ethics of the thing appear to have concerned no one; nor, to tell the truth, need they do so. As St. Paul says, "Without shedding of blood there is no remission"; and who are we to argue with St. Paul? But, after all that, it is open to any one to have any opinion that he likes upon the subject, or any other subject, thank God! At the same time, it is most necessary to study the business, whatever we may be going to do about it; for our ethics themselves will naturally depend upon our theory of the universe. If we were quite certain, for example, that everybody went to heaven when he died, there could be no serious objection to murder or suicide, as it is generally conceded --- by those who know neither --- that earth is not such a pleasant place as heaven.
However, there is a mystery concealed in this theory of the bloody sacrifice which is of great importance to the student, and we therefore make no further apology, We should not have made even this apology for an apology, had it not been for the solicitude of a pious young friend of great austerity of character who insisted that the part of this chapter which now follows --- the part which was originally written --- might cause us to be misunderstood.
This must not be. The blood is the life. This simple statement is explained by the Hindus by saying that the blood is the principal vehicle of vital Prana.<> There is some ground for the belief that there is a definite substance<>, not isolated as yet, whose presence makes all {93} the difference between live and dead matter. We pass by with deserved contempt the pseudo-scientific experiments of American charlatans who claim to have established that weight is lost at the moment of death, and the unsupported statements of alleged clairvoyants that they have seen the soul issuing like a vapour from the mouth of persons "in articulo mortis"; but his experiences as an explorer have convinced the Master Therion that meat loses a notable portion of its nutritive value within a very few minutes after the death of the animal, and that this loss proceeds with ever-diminishing rapidity as time goes on. It is further generally conceded that live food, such as oysters, is the most rapidly assimilable and most concentrated form of energy.<> Laboratory experiments in food-values seem to be almost worthless, for reasons which we cannot here enter into; the general testimony of mankind appears a safer guide. It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of those savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary, and devour them while yet warm. In any case it was the theory of {94} the ancient Magicians, that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly.
The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony — thus, by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars........ etc etc....

You have no idea what you are talking about megame23... n00b

and the secret god he speaks of is "the God whom he (the Magician) wishes to invoke"!
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[Charashc Profile]

and the secret god he speaks of is "the God whom he (the Magician) wishes to invoke"!
93 93/93

And that description makes him different from Lucifer?

[Phaeton Profile]

Aleister Crowley, L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons are key figures in 20th century mystery school context..

This has proven to be one of the good sources on esoterica (and this specific subject) in my experience:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/babalon.htm

I am also still inclined to believe Crowley is the father of Barbara Bush.

[Charashc Profile]

and the secret god he speaks of is "the God whom he (the Magician) wishes to invoke"!
93 93/93

And that description makes him different from Lucifer?

Crowleys Pan, Baphomet, Lucifer, satan, every demonic creature ever mentioned or worshipped is the same thing.

[Phaeton Profile]

Hey douche fag . lets look at that in context shall we?

CHAPTER XII
OF THE BLOODY SACRIFICE: AND MATTERS COGNATE.
It is necessary for us to consider carefully the problems connected with the bloody sacrifice, for this question is indeed traditionally important in Magick. Nigh all ancient Magick revolves around this matter. In particular all the Osirian religions --- the rites of the Dying God --- refer to this. The slaying of Osiris and Adonis; the mutilation of Attis; the cults of Mexico and Peru; the story of Hercules or Melcarth; the legends of Dionysus and of Mithra, are all connected with this one idea. In the Hebrew religion we find the same thing inculcated. The first ethical lesson in the Bible is that the only sacrifice pleasing to the Lord is the sacrifice of blood; Abel, who made this, finding favour with the Lord, while Cain, who offered cabbages, was rather naturally considered a cheap sport. The idea recurs again and again.
We have the sacrifice of the Passover, following on the story of Abraham's being commanded to sacrifice his firstborn son, with the idea of the substitution of animal for human life. The annual ceremony of the two goats carries out this in perpetuity. And we see again the domination of this idea in the romance of Esther, where Haman and Mordecai are the two goats or gods; and ultimately in the presentation of the rite of Purim in Palestine, where Jesus and Barabbas happened to be the Goats in that particular year of which we hear so much, without agreement on the date.
This subject must be studied in the "Golden Bough", where it is most learnedly set forth by Dr. J. G. Frazer.
Enough has now been said to show that the bloody sacrifice has from time immemorial been the most considered part of Magick. {92} The ethics of the thing appear to have concerned no one; nor, to tell the truth, need they do so. As St. Paul says, "Without shedding of blood there is no remission"; and who are we to argue with St. Paul? But, after all that, it is open to any one to have any opinion that he likes upon the subject, or any other subject, thank God! At the same time, it is most necessary to study the business, whatever we may be going to do about it; for our ethics themselves will naturally depend upon our theory of the universe. If we were quite certain, for example, that everybody went to heaven when he died, there could be no serious objection to murder or suicide, as it is generally conceded --- by those who know neither --- that earth is not such a pleasant place as heaven.
However, there is a mystery concealed in this theory of the bloody sacrifice which is of great importance to the student, and we therefore make no further apology, We should not have made even this apology for an apology, had it not been for the solicitude of a pious young friend of great austerity of character who insisted that the part of this chapter which now follows --- the part which was originally written --- might cause us to be misunderstood.
This must not be. The blood is the life. This simple statement is explained by the Hindus by saying that the blood is the principal vehicle of vital Prana.<> There is some ground for the belief that there is a definite substance<>, not isolated as yet, whose presence makes all {93} the difference between live and dead matter. We pass by with deserved contempt the pseudo-scientific experiments of American charlatans who claim to have established that weight is lost at the moment of death, and the unsupported statements of alleged clairvoyants that they have seen the soul issuing like a vapour from the mouth of persons "in articulo mortis"; but his experiences as an explorer have convinced the Master Therion that meat loses a notable portion of its nutritive value within a very few minutes after the death of the animal, and that this loss proceeds with ever-diminishing rapidity as time goes on. It is further generally conceded that live food, such as oysters, is the most rapidly assimilable and most concentrated form of energy.<> Laboratory experiments in food-values seem to be almost worthless, for reasons which we cannot here enter into; the general testimony of mankind appears a safer guide. It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of those savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary, and devour them while yet warm. In any case it was the theory of {94} the ancient Magicians, that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly.
The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony — thus, by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars........ etc etc....

You have no idea what you are talking about megame23... n00b

and the secret god he speaks of is "the God whom he (the Magician) wishes to invoke"!
93 93/93

And what 'god' is 'invocable' in your view sir..?
Enlighten us, please..

PS. "The ethics of the thing appear to have concerned no one; nor, to tell the truth, need they do so. As St. Paul says, "Without shedding of blood there is no remission"; and who are we to argue with St. Paul?"

that St. Paul.. is actually referring to Paulus de Tarsus (family of King Herod, the twister, nay rapist of the teachings of Christ). Hence, named quote is not surprising and certainly not proving anything regarding the innocence of Crowley. At all.

[Edgarrothstein Profile]

and the secret god he speaks of is "the God whom he (the Magician) wishes to invoke"!
93 93/93

And that description makes him different from Lucifer?

Crowleys Pan, Baphomet, Lucifer, satan, every demonic creature ever mentioned or worshipped is the same thing.

Baphomet has nothing to do with Lucifer, or Satan, or Devil...