ALERT ALL OF AMERICA MUST SEE THIS!

[Iwanci Profile]

Couldn't watch it all sorry... the music was unbearble...

What I do not understand is why so many US citizens stay in the US? I meam by all your accounts your government cant be trusted, is out to enslave and kill you, has nothing but greed in their sights.... why not just go and live in Iraq, Iran, Syria, China, or NK where everything is so much better?


Seriously, there are such things as extremities, and I think this video offers nothing more than one of those extremes.... what do you expect in the world we live in? Do you think that any country at any point in time was sheer bliss?

I defy anyone to find me utopia...please let me know the when the world knew real peace, please let me know in what period/era there was equality, please let me know when the world did not have a divide between the very wealthy and the very poor, please let me know when the world knew real peace and people in any part of the globe were not the pawns in a war...

The very people some protest against are the very same that afford you both the freedom and the protection to do so.

How soon we forget what the 'forefathers' fought for and what people died for... Your/our governments do what they do in the BEST interest of their people, in doing so they often upset the applecart and many people are often negatively affected... but what is the ulternative?

What also amazes me is the speed and ease at which people winge and bitch about issues, but how many few are able to come up with alternative solutions that offer real change with little negative repercussions...

Yes, al of america MUST see this, as a reminder of what a bunch of wingers you are all becomming.. wake up, smell the coffee and get involved to affect REAL change... vote for a leader that represents YOUR values and not one that tells you what you want to hear... vote for a leader who is not affraid to say it like it is, rather than say what it takes to be popular...

You want to go back to better times, start voting for people with conviction and refuse to allow puppets to run your country...

The NWO is NOTHING without the people beneath it, it is NOTHING without you, and hence YOU (we) are more valuable to them than what these propagandists would like you to believe...

Look around people.. the world is forever changing... what we knew we no longer know...what we will know we never knew... and if you ask any generation, they will likely tell you the same.. everyone remembers the good ol' times and compares them to the new times.. no matter what times they were, every generation tells the same story...

OK.. rant over...

[mediasorcery Profile]

you cant vote for a real leader iwan, the game is rigged b4 you even start mate, you know that, anyone with a bit or real courage and ethic is removed/killed etc,

gov works for the best interest of gov, not the people, surely your not that naeve?

just because there are worse countries, doesnt justify bad behaviours by our lot, we are humans/people, not numbers.


what your saying is be a good little slave and shut your mouth, well fuk that.

[RATRODROB Profile]

sorry for being rude guys, a big HOW YA GOIN to you all.

im new at posting stuff so bear with me if i fck up

i hav allways been interested in the kind of stuff this and other similar sites allow you to access when main stream media fails.

you just hav to learn to recognise all the bs some people post to find all the fair dinkum stuff.

im glad ive learnt how to post my comments and thoughts on things as ive often read something and really wanted to give my 2 cents worth.

so from RATRODROB, gidday to all

[Iwanci Profile]

Yeah I know media.. I was trying to generate some discussion and not just agreement on an otherwise B/S video..

I was going to enter politics myself at one point I have been invited to parliament on a couple of occassions but figured that I would either dramatically change my views or someone would shoot me..


I never truly compare anyone or country against another for the purposes of self justification.. most issues are intertwined within countries and heavily reliant upon localised situation and populace.. however, honestly media, hand on your heart mate, we live in a fairly regulated country, I think we live in a nanny state here in Oz, but things are not that bad are they.. I mean, they could be much worst.. and this is NO reason for complaceancy, but times do change and at we as a populace know that there are three outcomes..

1/ Change those things that can be changed immediately
2/ Plan to change the things that cannot be changed immediately
3/ Learn to live with things that simply cannot be changed

and at all times be receptive to new ideas.. I mean, most of the changes that we live with today (when compared with past times) were made by our forefathers.. I don't believe that any of he newer generations (young studs like you and me) have ever lived through real change.. we were born into a changed world.. and I would go as far as to say that this is very true for most of the members on DTV.. unless they have moved from a country where their rights were truly taken away... like many of the people that flee countries that are at war etc etc..

Can things be done better??? SURE, YES they can... however, we all should know that when a government changes or alters one thing, it usually throws something else out of balance, and so on... can any government ever get everything spot on??? NO, NEVER HAS NEVER WILL BE. It is impossible to get everything right and so there will always be a minority group or some group that feels hard done by.. we have all been victims of this..

What I would love to hear/see is people not just complaining about issues... but complaining and putting up alternative ideas... that would be nice..

Welcome Rat another Aussie?

[RATRODROB Profile]

yeah iwanci im aussie,

i get what your sayin but that aint it, its not just this video that gets my attention but all the many injustices,

to name afew, military machine, big pharma, police arresting 5 yr old in mississipi (i think where it happened) for not having right colored fckn school shoes on, AND monsanto ruining average farmers over greed and world food and seed domination and their GM FOOD AJENDA, the fckn FDA now holstering weapons and forcing small marketfarmers to destroy all their food, corrupt police forces treating their own people like dogs, etc etc.

i dont whinge about the day 2 day struggle in australia, but somethings are worth chewing on and i cant sit back and say nothin when i hear about whats happening in usa to ordinary hard working people by their own government and police force and all the other corupt pricks.

soldiers from the US and other nations patrioticaly going to war for their countries believing they are serving their good governments, when there is really another agenda.

any how im done 4 the moment

[Clearized1 Profile]

Couldn't watch it all sorry... the music was unbearble...

What I do not understand is why so many US citizens stay in the US? I meam by all your accounts your government cant be trusted, is out to enslave and kill you, has nothing but greed in their sights.... why not just go and live in Iraq, Iran, Syria, China, or NK where everything is so much better?


Seriously, there are such things as extremities, and I think this video offers nothing more than one of those extremes.... what do you expect in the world we live in? Do you think that any country at any point in time was sheer bliss?

I defy anyone to find me utopia...please let me know the when the world knew real peace, please let me know in what period/era there was equality, please let me know when the world did not have a divide between the very wealthy and the very poor, please let me know when the world knew real peace and people in any part of the globe were not the pawns in a war...

The very people some protest against are the very same that afford you both the freedom and the protection to do so.

How soon we forget what the 'forefathers' fought for and what people died for... Your/our governments do what they do in the BEST interest of their people, in doing so they often upset the applecart and many people are often negatively affected... but what is the ulternative?

What also amazes me is the speed and ease at which people winge and bitch about issues, but how many few are able to come up with alternative solutions that offer real change with little negative repercussions...

Yes, al of america MUST see this, as a reminder of what a bunch of wingers you are all becomming.. wake up, smell the coffee and get involved to affect REAL change... vote for a leader that represents YOUR values and not one that tells you what you want to hear... vote for a leader who is not affraid to say it like it is, rather than say what it takes to be popular...

You want to go back to better times, start voting for people with conviction and refuse to allow puppets to run your country...

The NWO is NOTHING without the people beneath it, it is NOTHING without you, and hence YOU (we) are more valuable to them than what these propagandists would like you to believe...

Look around people.. the world is forever changing... what we knew we no longer know...what we will know we never knew... and if you ask any generation, they will likely tell you the same.. everyone remembers the good ol' times and compares them to the new times.. no matter what times they were, every generation tells the same story...

OK.. rant over...

Interesting "Rant" as you put it Iwanci ...... however I do not believe that the problems we all complain about are limited to ONLY the U.S.. This is evident to me by the various individuals from all around the globe that I find on this forum, so simply moving to another country does not seem to be a good resolve.
You are correct in stating that this world has never really had true peace, as I believe that this can only be achieved once enough of the Human race becomes educated enough, and connected to one another enough to be able to evolve to that level. Name me when in time has the entire world had the ability (as we do these days) to connect to the vast amt. of knowledge available, and to each other as easily as we do now? Smoke signals/drum beats/pigeons of yesteryear only traveled so far before dissipating/dying.

The forefathers of America did seem to have it right when they fought for the freedom from tyranny for the people they represented (not to say they were perfect), but alas I believe those in power today have strayed FAR from their original beliefs/intentions. As Mediasorcery said..."You cant vote for a real leader Iwanci, the game is rigged b4 you even start mate, you know that, anyone with a bit or real courage and ethic is removed/killed etc, gov works for the best interest of gov, not the people". This is absolutely true, and the reason so many of us are taking to forums like this in the hope of connecting to enough like minded individuals, and contemplate TOGETHER on a way to successfully bring about that change.

As far as my solution on bringing about that change, the best I've been able to come up with is this...
Have the whole world work together, with full disclosure to EVERYONE on ALL information available, to be able to figure out a viable way to be able to colonize other inhabitable planets, that can sustain our species. This beautiful planet that we inhabit IS in fact really none of ours... we are mere "renters" (for lack of a better term), we do not truly own ANY of it.

I believe that our species is on the cusp of evolving (not that ALL are) closer to what this species should truly be evolving to. We only need to reach more Humans that seems to be

[Iwanci Profile]

Rat, I get what you are sating and I agree, there are MANY injustices in the world, moreover I think much of this injustice comes from 'people' not doing the right thing rather than a huge conspiracy.. for example, a 5 yr old getting arrested for not wearing the right clolored school shoes??? Honestly mate, do you believe that crap? however, I will give that story the benefit of the doubt and assume that it is true and correct.. do you think a government would be conspiring to do that or is it not more plausible that one (or several) stupid people (in this case police) got out of control?

Clear I agree my friend, the crap is global and by no means restricted to the US, if there is any fairness in our society is that as a race we have managed to pretty much corrupt every country.. at least we are consistent. I hear what you are saying on the 'world unite' front.. this (I believe) will be exactly were it is going and we will have a NWO... as the populace of the world uproots and resettles they bring with them their own opinions, biases, beliefs, cultures etc (regardless of how we view this, good or bad) there wil eventually be a uniformity around the globe as more cultures become immeshed and hence we will need more uniform laws and regulations etc etc... in the bid to provide this 'equality' we are inadvertently moving to a ONE world solution... NWO.


With regards to politics being rigged.. I agree there is MUCH corruption.. and perhaps rigging that does take place.. but WE the people need to change this, if we believe that our governments and the political system we embrace if failing us then we need to change it. So many people would be prepared to go to civil war to protect their rights of carrying a gun (the vast majority of whom will never ever need to use one), Corporates making money is a real issue is it? Since when did any corporate or wealthy person (past and present) not make money? where are the screams of injustice? and yet on this greater issue??? where are the cries of change?

Nada... not a word...

The broader conspiracy (in my opinion) is getting the people fighting over the minor issues, getting the factions to drag fairly inconsequential issues on and on for many years... whilst behind the doors, the real issue of globalisation is gathering momentum without anyone being the wiser.

To a large extent, many of the issues we debate and espouse our views on are a smokescreen, the more involved we get with the minor issues, the more advanced tptb get with the bigger issues.

How many trees do we need to cut down before people start seeing the forest? Looks to me that by the time the trees have been cleared, the forest will be a thing of the past.

[Clearized1 Profile]

Good point on the people looking at the trees, not the forest. As people awaken, IMO that will change.

"Corporates making money is a real issue is it? Since when did any corporate or wealthy person (past and present) not make money? where are the screams of injustice? and yet on this greater issue??? where are the cries of change?

Nada... not a word..."
Isn't that what the U.S. based O.W.S. movement , and various global movements of the like are about? People are speaking up and trying, but are getting labeled as nuts by those in control, and their minion blue pill popping sheeple.

As far as the NWO description... maybe it should be NWC (New World Cooperation). NWO from what I understand has always been associated with tyrannical puppet masters. I don't want a sinister global authoritarian gov't that operates through front organizations/corporations to benefit the few in control of everything we do, as any rights we have will most likely be stripped from us for sure. This will be the final link in binding us to the subservient slavery chains, and is sure to bring about more civil unrest that will only be met by more forceful eradication solutions by those in control. We will no longer be able to say, or do anything about it as we no longer have the right(s) to. Which sounds exactly like the direction the U.S. is going in at this very moment.
There needs to be more cooperation between ALL those involved. From the gov't to the corporations right down to the little person. Whether this be monetary salary compensation/equal technical advancement sharing(all levels)/information & knowledge sharing(full unedited disclosure on ALL subjects). Full transparency...no more hidden agendas/doubletalk/half talk/under table-behind closed door deals that only benefit the few. NWC. I'm sure though, that all I've mentioned will only be possible when more, and hopefully all of the people for that matter, truly awaken. They need to see the forest!

[RATRODROB Profile]

no worries iwanci, thanx 4 reply.
im sorry if arrested is the wrong word used but the mother tried to color the 5 yr olds shoes with black texta or similar but was found out, yes the teachers, principle or what ever failed to work through very minor problem and come to conclusion at the school or kindargarton and yes police were called and yes 5 yr old was taken away traumatised in police car, TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.WTF

i get the impression that you still believe that good people have easy choices to make that can change their lives, ie- change countries they live in as you posted earlier, thats not as easy as you might think, and further more i love australia just like the yanks who love their country and no one is gonna make me turn my back on my own soil ever.

lobbying governments and mps is almost a complete waste of time for a fair go these days especially in usa,
i do tend to worry more about injusteses (how the fck do you spell that last word) in usa than australia caus its gotten worse there especially with free speech and basic rights and demonstrating peacefully, 4 fcks sake the USA want to micro chip all their citizens and would if they could.

i dont discriminate injustices (think i spelt it right this time) to any country, i feel the same frustration no matter where its happening and will say so.

we cant go along the same old path any more for justice and a fair go, no one in power gives a rats arse and if they did care they couldnt do any thing anyway. the games changed.

IWANCI do you know any thing about MONSANTO , if you dont, have a look, and if you dont believe what you read on the net check out all the fair dinkum court cases in the past and present and see what they are doing to honest people all over USA. and these poor buggers havent got easy choices to make (as you suggested in earlier post) that can stop monsanto breaking them and their lively hoods.

check out the way the FDA have been treating small farmers etc , trully scary stuff.

I'me almost tired of being mister good citizeon, i have tried and tried here in australia to do right thing and am sick of being shafted by every dick with some sort of power, and dont tell me its always been this way IWANCI cause its getting harder to make a difference by going about it the correct way.

I dont believe in mayan long count callendar and end days and all that stuff the way the gloomers would have you believe, but i would like to think that something is going to happen soon for the good of all.
lets say something like all electronic bank details are destroyed in cyber attack or simillar so no one had a bank account and all the super rich evil turds had no more than anyone else, all equal again, i know it will probably never happen but like to think change is around the corner sooner than later.

wish i could tell you how to find the stuff i suggested on the net but pretty sure the obvious key words will get ya there.

this is a subject people need to talk about and its been good chin waggin with ya IWANCI,

[Iwanci Profile]

Hey RAT

The beauty of the world is that we at the very least can have our own opinions and still be civil.

I must admit that I still DO believe in the goodness of people and I do believe that we have the ability to change things, I have to believe this otherwise the world is finished for me.

Tell me, do you vote? Why bother if you do not believe in the system? I still believe that there are many MP's who are fundementally good hearted and will try to change things if they knew that the people would support them... what I do know is that most of them will not try because the vast majority of the people whom we live with on this planet do not truly see things the way we do. So, when good people in politics try and stick their necks out and say the truth, they are shot to pieces by their political party because they know it will cost them votes. The systme is rigged in so far as the 'people' who vote remain uneducated about the real issues. Many people I talk to are ignorant and dimissive about global issues, when I try and press the matter they think I am a conspiracy 'nutter'... (which you will see in my posts that most conspiracy theorists on this site think I am a skeptic).. can't win. lol

When Kevin Rudd was voted in to power I asked some people why they voted for Rudd and not Howard.. the reply I recieved was... "Howard has large eyebrows"..."Howard looks like Mr sheen".."Things are good, but time for a change".... most people were oblivious about real socio economic issues and voted on the looks of the person rather than the politics.

This is the issue that plagues us in my opinion... political parties have become 'popularist' parties, they put people in high positions that we (the general public) will like to look at and listen to and ultimately vote on. Basically, the system we have developed tells us exactly what we want to hear... the spin comes from the fact that we want to hear good positive stories, however, as we all know, the stories are never all good.. Now, imagine if a politician actually stood up and told us that our economy was in dire straits, that we had an overpopulation issue on the planet, that the corporates are actualy greedy mofo's, etc etc etc..and that the only real way to resolve long term issues is to embrace short term painful decisions, like for example, increasing taxes, a redistribution of wealth, etc etc... who would want to hear this and who would vote for this type of person...?

The sad reality my friend is that most of us want to be lied into a false sense of security, we want to believe that someone else smarter than us has the magic solution to fix our problems.. the reality though is that deep inside we know that no one can fix anything without making some tough decisions...

and so the political parties will continue to invest in those people who will bring them votes rather than those people who will make the decisions... and on and on and on it will go..

You are correct, social injustice is a crying shame no matter what country it is in, but what do we see in the main stream media can it be trusted? Is half of the truth being hidden to stop us being outraged? or is the whole lot a lie so as to enrage us into some form of action? It is always difficult to ascertain the truth and so we must use our own better judgement to form our opinions.. for example: we all know the tragedy that unfolded at Sandy Hook, many children died etc etc... very sad.. and yet, some people think it was a staged event and that no one actually died, it was all staged to foster outrage for the gun control laws to be passed... and so we have a conundrum.. true or false?

The US wants to microchip all its citizens? really? First question I would ask is...
who constitutes the US? I mean who is making this allegation and on behalf of who? what is their agenda? I am certain that most of the US does not wnat this, and so we have a situation where maybe a small group of people have come up with some ingenious plan to micro chip everyone, something will not happen... but hey why not let out a statement and see how people react? Much is spouted simply to gauge interest and to deflect from other issues...

You my friend, as I, need to indeed keep being Mr nice guys... there is no other choice.. its like quick sand, the more you rebel the quicker you sink... so we need to be patient and make small progressive moves, until more people wake up and eventually we may actually get the change we want..

Rot, truly nice to be chatting with you mate...