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PostSat Oct 16, 2010 8:14 pm » by Cee420


djpakkal wrote:thx for your contribution mate, will look deeper in to it. But what about that ancient painting from the Aboriginals about that grey like figure with a white(kaukasion) male man on?? you know that one with the snake bite his own tail??

I found out that it isn't always flying things that we have to look to. But certainly also the "snake".
In every religion there is a snake that making his appearance, Maya, catholic, Islam, boedists ...
What about that?
Thx for your reaction. I'm personally not 100% convinced from the clips , but will search for more info about that.

What about that spiral that was seeing in Siberia, Russia, China and Norway, was it haarp?


Hey..
Another long post ..but I hope you find it interesting

Well, cave paintings can be very “alien-like”, yes ..but also ,these could be just “ghost”-figures, or related to “spirit world” and not to ufos and aliens.
..apparently Aboriginals had family-totems and totem-spirits ..so many of these might actually be these totem-spirits. .. or ancestor-spirits showing themselves in these totem-spirit forms.
I’m not that familiar with Aboriginal culture, and just looked into it some, and apparently also ‘dreams’ were very important to them culturally, and they connected to the spirit world, and to animal- and plant-spirits by dreaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime

..and all these above is of course presented in their art also. And when all this bushman-shamanic, anthropomorphic, nature-is-filled-with different kinds of souls and family-totem-spirituality things take art forms, it might look like very sci-fi to modern ufologists.
But thousands of years before ufo-alien phenomenon people were communicating with the ‘spirit world’, with human-spirit world which appeared in many different forms, so it is quite possible that now these ancestor-spirits are playing roles of these aliens and reptilians.
But because we actually can’t go to the ‘spirit world’ and can only see what the spirit world shows us ..it is practically impossible to show proof to that direction or to the other.
..But when we compare these cave art to their spiritual (cosmological) and cultural believes , many times a reasonable picture can be formed .

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Snake/serpent ..in Ancient Egypt they actually thought snakes(cobras) were females only, cause the males and females looked so alike (they had this same believe with the vulture-bird)
-serpent represented “self creation” ..like divine ability to ‘create yourself, from yourself’, like it is said that no one created God, and He’s “self-created”. ..so this means also “resurrection after death” ..you start living in the spiritual-body in the Here after
..so this is the same the same thing as the phoenix-bird ..sort of.
Snakes also shed their skin which is seen as the ‘Resurrection’ allegory same as the ‘Phoneix’-bird.
- Then snake/serpent is also symbol for the ruling classes.
In ancient Egypt only the royalty (who wore the snake-symbol) and the important people were thought to get to go to the After Life ..and the commoners just disappeared when they died. so only the upper class could “re-create themselves after death”.

-Snakes are of course associated with death ..so to spirit world ..and in the ancient times and also in shamanic cultures they used various poisons as hallucinogenic-drugs ..they probably noticed with snake and insect bites that they started to hallucinate, so snake is important from this aspect a wellSo snake might be seen as a “gate way” to the spirit world
-The head-priest or state-sage was also called ‘serpent’ or dragon some times, for the same reason ...he served as the mediator between humans and the spirit world

-Also the starry belt of Milky Way is thought of as cosmic snake.
-Also a symbol for time and destruction ..snake swallowing it’s own tail

-In American cultures, they apparently saw animals being able to “live” in many worlds.
Because snake was able to live on land, underground, in water and in trees ..they saw snake living in many worlds ..our human world(ground), underworld (underground) trees (heaven) ..water could have also present underworld or spirit world ..can’t remember right now :) ..other animals were seen like this also, not just snakes.

Does the snake represent these things to Aboriginals, I dunno ..cause I’m not that familiar with their culture
Here’s some info on Aboriginal snake-believes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian ... ow_Serpent

djpakkal wrote:What about that spiral that was seeing in Siberia, Russia, China and Norway, was it haarp?


I believe this is done with another Tesla invention, with his “particle beam”…or the device is based on Tesla’s discovery ..the device has similar elements HAARP.
The particle beam describe below by Tesla, had same kinda terminal(top) as his Wardenclyffe-tower, which is, pretty much, the original HAARP ..but this particle beam-device had also some additional parts in it.

The UFO , I believe, has this device which it uses to spray out some kind of electrolyte (liquid-solution maybe, or nano-metal dust ..kinda like “chem trailing”) which then is charged with high voltage electricity to form this glowing plasma cloud or spiral.


UFO or missile trace? Mystery spiral lights over Norway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrWjkn_DHs
Strange Aerial Phenomena in China UFO Wormhole? -MUST SEE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNHEmrjRe5Q
UFO Flying Over China July 9 2010!!! REAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnszlJC8iGs
UFO leaving a Wormhole-Amazing footage!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTDhX93Rl4

This "particle beam" may also be the device which they use to make the 'crop circles'.

According to some crop circle-researchers, they have found tiny iron/metal particles in and around crop circles, which would point to a similar “particle device” as Nikola Tesla is describing in the article linked below.
I believe, the UFO-crew (humans, btw..not aliens ..lol) can control this “charged particle mist” with electromagnetism, and create these complex forms using computers ..to me, some of these crop circles remind the early computer graphics and ‘screen savers’.

Nikola Tesla describes this device having these “open-end particle-bulbs” which send out these highly charged particles and forms this charged projectile.

If these “particle bulbs” were made to form some sort of “honey comb”-type thing, this would help to shape and twist smaller areas to many different directions, when you could turn the bulbs individually ..just a thought. ..maybe they already created a simpler application for this purpose.

..this “Twisting” feature prolly explains the Norway plasma-spiral also.

..Also!!

What is even more interesting with this “particle beam station” description by Nikola Tesla is that he seems to be telling that the electro-static generator, powering the device was a “Free energy”-generator ..it could be made “self existing” ..this means, once you got it started, it produced more energy than it used to operate the whole station ..so it produced energy “over unity”
So, all the generator needed was a “jump start” to ignite the gases used to run the generator, after this it ran “on it’s own”.

This he mentions in his correspondence with Sava Kosanovic, March 1, 1941 ..”I add that in the station one must have a small generator or battery of 30 volts for activation”
http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/teleforce.htm


THE NEW ART of PROJECTING CONCENTRATED NON-DISPERSIVE ENERGY THROUGH NATURAL MEDIA wrote:“Perhaps the most important of these inventions is the new high potential electro-static generator, schematically represented in Fig. 4, which is provided with my improved terminal consisting of a spherical metallic frame 1, with attachments 2, adapted to be fastened to the former by nuts 3, as above described. The terminal has a platform 4, in the interior of the frame intended for supporting machinery, instruments and observers, and is carried to a suitable elevation on insulating columns omitted from the drawing for the sake of simplicity. To energize the terminal, air under pressure is driven at high speed through a hermetically closed channel comprising a turbo compressor 5, with intake and outlet connections, conduits 7 and 8, special fittings 9 and 10,and a short pipe 11. The conduits 7 and 8, are preferably composed of pieces of glazed porcelain bolted tightly together, the joints being made airtight by suitable packing and are corrugated on the outside to minimize electrical leakage. The fittings 9 and 10 and pipe 11, may also be of the same kind of material. The air before entering and after leaving the compressor, as well as all apparatus within the airtight enclosure 6, is effectively cooled and maintained at a constant temperature by means as ordinarily employed which was not thought necessary to illustrate. The operation of the machine will be understood most readily by likening the moving column of air to a running belt. When the air, leaving the compressor, reaches the device 12, containing discharge points electrified by a direct current of high tension, it is ionized and the charge imparted to it is carried upward to the special fitting 9, where it is drawn off by sucking points and charges the terminal. On the return to the compressor the air passes through special fitting 10, where it receives electricity of the opposite sign conveying it to the device 13, and from there to the ground. These actions are repeated with great rapidity. The generator can be made self-exciting be suitable connections. For several reasons, I estimate that a machine described will have an output of many times greater than a belt generator of the same size and, besides, it has several other important construction and operative advantages.”
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1935-00-00.htm


..quite cool, huh
All the blue-prints of Tesla’s Free Energy-generators have been concealed, but in this, he actually talks about one of these discoveries.

Peace.

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PostSat Oct 16, 2010 8:44 pm » by Stophaarp


( I love how everyone on here always assumes everyone else is male. I am a female, bro XD)

Anyway... Just my tidbit on the spirals.

They're the same shape from every camera angle, in every video, even if they are taken from miles away from each other.. Which means that thing is way way way in orbit or further to be that big, and never seen with any sort of perspective tilt. I'm not saying Haarp couldn't do this but... If they are.. what is the purpose.. the fake disclosure we have been warned about? Hence the fact I dubbed myself stophaarp. If anyone is going to fool is.. it's going to be the ones who can manipulate the sky.

Oh and if it was a rocket spiraling, you'd only see the perfect spiral from directly underneath. if you were miles to the side, you'd have to see some sort of cone of the spiral going upwards... Unless we are weaponizing space more than we've admitted to, which I don't doubt in the least.

I could be completely wrong, but I really feel that this thing is alot higher in our atmosphere, or even outside of it, then people think.
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PostSat Oct 16, 2010 9:25 pm » by Ghost32


Here is all the info you will ever need :P

The Nazi Ufo Beginning


Knights Templar Nazi Ufo Secrets From WW2


Secret Nazi Technologies


Sightings: German Flying Saucers


The Nazi UFO Conspiracy
Part1

Part2

Part3

Part4

Part5

Part6


German Ufo's & Flying Machines
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PostSat Oct 16, 2010 9:44 pm » by Allreadydead


stophaarp wrote:
( I love how everyone on here always assumes everyone else is male. I am a female, bro XD)


I know how you feel - everyone assumes I'm alive..................... :mrgreen:
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PostSat Oct 16, 2010 9:53 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


ghost32 wrote:Here is all the info you will ever need :P

The Nazi Ufo Beginning


Knights Templar Nazi Ufo Secrets From WW2


Secret Nazi Technologies


Sightings: German Flying Saucers


The Nazi UFO Conspiracy
Part1

Part2

Part3

Part4

Part5

Part6


German Ufo's & Flying Machines


thanks bro, i was looking for some of this videos. great stuff :flop:

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PostSun Oct 17, 2010 1:22 pm » by Djpakkal


cee420 wrote:
djpakkal wrote:thx for your contribution mate, will look deeper in to it. But what about that ancient painting from the Aboriginals about that grey like figure with a white(kaukasion) male man on?? you know that one with the snake bite his own tail??

I found out that it isn't always flying things that we have to look to. But certainly also the "snake".
In every religion there is a snake that making his appearance, Maya, catholic, Islam, boedists ...
What about that?
Thx for your reaction. I'm personally not 100% convinced from the clips , but will search for more info about that.

What about that spiral that was seeing in Siberia, Russia, China and Norway, was it haarp?


Hey..
Another long post ..but I hope you find it interesting

Well, cave paintings can be very “alien-like”, yes ..but also ,these could be just “ghost”-figures, or related to “spirit world” and not to ufos and aliens.
..apparently Aboriginals had family-totems and totem-spirits ..so many of these might actually be these totem-spirits. .. or ancestor-spirits showing themselves in these totem-spirit forms.
I’m not that familiar with Aboriginal culture, and just looked into it some, and apparently also ‘dreams’ were very important to them culturally, and they connected to the spirit world, and to animal- and plant-spirits by dreaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime

..and all these above is of course presented in their art also. And when all this bushman-shamanic, anthropomorphic, nature-is-filled-with different kinds of souls and family-totem-spirituality things take art forms, it might look like very sci-fi to modern ufologists.
But thousands of years before ufo-alien phenomenon people were communicating with the ‘spirit world’, with human-spirit world which appeared in many different forms, so it is quite possible that now these ancestor-spirits are playing roles of these aliens and reptilians.
But because we actually can’t go to the ‘spirit world’ and can only see what the spirit world shows us ..it is practically impossible to show proof to that direction or to the other.
..But when we compare these cave art to their spiritual (cosmological) and cultural believes , many times a reasonable picture can be formed .

=
=
=
Snake/serpent ..in Ancient Egypt they actually thought snakes(cobras) were females only, cause the males and females looked so alike (they had this same believe with the vulture-bird)
-serpent represented “self creation” ..like divine ability to ‘create yourself, from yourself’, like it is said that no one created God, and He’s “self-created”. ..so this means also “resurrection after death” ..you start living in the spiritual-body in the Here after
..so this is the same the same thing as the phoenix-bird ..sort of.
Snakes also shed their skin which is seen as the ‘Resurrection’ allegory same as the ‘Phoneix’-bird.
- Then snake/serpent is also symbol for the ruling classes.
In ancient Egypt only the royalty (who wore the snake-symbol) and the important people were thought to get to go to the After Life ..and the commoners just disappeared when they died. so only the upper class could “re-create themselves after death”.

-Snakes are of course associated with death ..so to spirit world ..and in the ancient times and also in shamanic cultures they used various poisons as hallucinogenic-drugs ..they probably noticed with snake and insect bites that they started to hallucinate, so snake is important from this aspect a wellSo snake might be seen as a “gate way” to the spirit world
-The head-priest or state-sage was also called ‘serpent’ or dragon some times, for the same reason ...he served as the mediator between humans and the spirit world

-Also the starry belt of Milky Way is thought of as cosmic snake.
-Also a symbol for time and destruction ..snake swallowing it’s own tail

-In American cultures, they apparently saw animals being able to “live” in many worlds.
Because snake was able to live on land, underground, in water and in trees ..they saw snake living in many worlds ..our human world(ground), underworld (underground) trees (heaven) ..water could have also present underworld or spirit world ..can’t remember right now :) ..other animals were seen like this also, not just snakes.

Does the snake represent these things to Aboriginals, I dunno ..cause I’m not that familiar with their culture
Here’s some info on Aboriginal snake-believes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian ... ow_Serpent

djpakkal wrote:What about that spiral that was seeing in Siberia, Russia, China and Norway, was it haarp?


I believe this is done with another Tesla invention, with his “particle beam”…or the device is based on Tesla’s discovery ..the device has similar elements HAARP.
The particle beam describe below by Tesla, had same kinda terminal(top) as his Wardenclyffe-tower, which is, pretty much, the original HAARP ..but this particle beam-device had also some additional parts in it.

The UFO , I believe, has this device which it uses to spray out some kind of electrolyte (liquid-solution maybe, or nano-metal dust ..kinda like “chem trailing”) which then is charged with high voltage electricity to form this glowing plasma cloud or spiral.


UFO or missile trace? Mystery spiral lights over Norway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrWjkn_DHs
Strange Aerial Phenomena in China UFO Wormhole? -MUST SEE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNHEmrjRe5Q
UFO Flying Over China July 9 2010!!! REAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnszlJC8iGs
UFO leaving a Wormhole-Amazing footage!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTDhX93Rl4

This "particle beam" may also be the device which they use to make the 'crop circles'.

According to some crop circle-researchers, they have found tiny iron/metal particles in and around crop circles, which would point to a similar “particle device” as Nikola Tesla is describing in the article linked below.
I believe, the UFO-crew (humans, btw..not aliens ..lol) can control this “charged particle mist” with electromagnetism, and create these complex forms using computers ..to me, some of these crop circles remind the early computer graphics and ‘screen savers’.

Nikola Tesla describes this device having these “open-end particle-bulbs” which send out these highly charged particles and forms this charged projectile.

If these “particle bulbs” were made to form some sort of “honey comb”-type thing, this would help to shape and twist smaller areas to many different directions, when you could turn the bulbs individually ..just a thought. ..maybe they already created a simpler application for this purpose.

..this “Twisting” feature prolly explains the Norway plasma-spiral also.

..Also!!

What is even more interesting with this “particle beam station” description by Nikola Tesla is that he seems to be telling that the electro-static generator, powering the device was a “Free energy”-generator ..it could be made “self existing” ..this means, once you got it started, it produced more energy than it used to operate the whole station ..so it produced energy “over unity”
So, all the generator needed was a “jump start” to ignite the gases used to run the generator, after this it ran “on it’s own”.

This he mentions in his correspondence with Sava Kosanovic, March 1, 1941 ..”I add that in the station one must have a small generator or battery of 30 volts for activation”
http://www.teslaradio.com/pages/teleforce.htm


THE NEW ART of PROJECTING CONCENTRATED NON-DISPERSIVE ENERGY THROUGH NATURAL MEDIA wrote:“Perhaps the most important of these inventions is the new high potential electro-static generator, schematically represented in Fig. 4, which is provided with my improved terminal consisting of a spherical metallic frame 1, with attachments 2, adapted to be fastened to the former by nuts 3, as above described. The terminal has a platform 4, in the interior of the frame intended for supporting machinery, instruments and observers, and is carried to a suitable elevation on insulating columns omitted from the drawing for the sake of simplicity. To energize the terminal, air under pressure is driven at high speed through a hermetically closed channel comprising a turbo compressor 5, with intake and outlet connections, conduits 7 and 8, special fittings 9 and 10,and a short pipe 11. The conduits 7 and 8, are preferably composed of pieces of glazed porcelain bolted tightly together, the joints being made airtight by suitable packing and are corrugated on the outside to minimize electrical leakage. The fittings 9 and 10 and pipe 11, may also be of the same kind of material. The air before entering and after leaving the compressor, as well as all apparatus within the airtight enclosure 6, is effectively cooled and maintained at a constant temperature by means as ordinarily employed which was not thought necessary to illustrate. The operation of the machine will be understood most readily by likening the moving column of air to a running belt. When the air, leaving the compressor, reaches the device 12, containing discharge points electrified by a direct current of high tension, it is ionized and the charge imparted to it is carried upward to the special fitting 9, where it is drawn off by sucking points and charges the terminal. On the return to the compressor the air passes through special fitting 10, where it receives electricity of the opposite sign conveying it to the device 13, and from there to the ground. These actions are repeated with great rapidity. The generator can be made self-exciting be suitable connections. For several reasons, I estimate that a machine described will have an output of many times greater than a belt generator of the same size and, besides, it has several other important construction and operative advantages.”
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1935-00-00.htm


..quite cool, huh
All the blue-prints of Tesla’s Free Energy-generators have been concealed, but in this, he actually talks about one of these discoveries.

Peace.


Woow thx for the information dude. I also am deep into shamanism, and it is a fact that you say that the snake is a very important animal for us (cosmic snake ...) we use it to heal and protect. I have also experience a "contact" with grey like figures in a session, thinking the were other beings but after what you described it could be human spirits that "choose" to take that form but again why?
Not that they did crazy stuff , they just ripped all the skin and hard liver, stumac ,ea everything they took away and putted stones in it "not kidding" afterwards when the 'trip' was over and several day later I felt a totally other person.

I also was on the great Maya temple saw the priests looking at the stars, pointing a very big cluster of starts and told me that all live came from there but that we soon will see what it all means. The let me see the darkness that ruled the world and why all the killing. They told me that we where lost of all inner connection and that soon the day of the vengeance sun would come, like our old books where tales from civilisations far before our and that they come in the era of think and thought that become to power full and got them all killed(science?). Maybe that is excatly what is happening with us know.

I saw people eating other people , i saw fire , pain, death, none of it was good....
I saw beings that "harvest"souls of people like there were on macdonny or something. there where also "the seven" energies that came from somewhere else and now they are rejoined together ? I freaky don't know who excatly those energies where. But there seems to be very important. Didn't see images just freaky feelings, very very cold.
I saw the shamans of the east , south, west and north. They all stood there and watched us. With no feelings in them eyes cause they were all killed, they came and came and came 1000s of them, they started to sing a song and pointing all with them hands up pointing to a star, and then pointing to the moon, starting to zooming and disappearing like the sun went down.

This was again a shamanistic dream, that made a deep impact on my live.
And after many years I putted it on "paper".
There must be a kind of connection between these all.
I know it was just a trip, but if you experienced it , you would have the same feeling as me I think. This all stopped on 8th moon of the year 2001. The "alien" feeling was all gone. I told my friends (after i came back from a vacation in France somewhere in the kathare region (veeeeeery powerful place could write more about it if you like but is to much to write it here all down) I had some dreams about chaos When I came back I told my friends that soon we will be awake in an surrealistic nightmare... and look at us now....
If there are any questions about dreams or shamanistic feelings or other shamanistic things or you are shaman your self or experience strange events then feel free to pm me and we can discus things via that way.

The last that I will say is this, I don't believe that you can learn shamanism, you got it or you don't got it. The most of the time people have the skills but got into a nut-house because they dont know and there is nobody that will teach them. It is good that the right people got enlighten but it is wrong when people got enlighten but doesn't have the right water for it. Just be careful about it cause it isn't always a gift ....

Oha and thanks for you reply :cheers:

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PostMon Oct 18, 2010 11:04 am » by Cee420


djpakkal wrote:Woow thx for the information dude. I also am deep into shamanism, and it is a fact that you say that the snake is a very important animal for us (cosmic snake ...) we use it to heal and protect. I have also experience a "contact" with grey like figures in a session, thinking the were other beings but after what you described it could be human spirits that "choose" to take that form but again why?


Why would spirit-humans, play to roles of different kind of gods, angels, demons and aliens etc?
= To create and up hold ‘false realities’.

If we look at religions and their cosmologies, we will see that usually religions also created a state-system with it’s laws and social-order, given and guarded by the heavenly-pantheon of that religious-system.
.. these systems also created and up held/hold ruling-classes and taxation systems etc ..and they also allow wealthier people to stay wealthier than others.
..so these religions also always secured certain classes’ wealth and position, even thou many times religions aren’t thought of this way by everyone ..but when you think about it, they did.

Religions, very rarely, if ever, have spoken about ‘equality’
Usually they just say “feed the poor” ..which, when you think about it ..speaks of a society where there still is poverty, and the wealthier are allowed to stay wealthy guarded by the rules of that ‘religion and it’s God(s)’.

Most of the holy-people/ founders of religions were of the ruling classes ..and always played the parts of the ‘good kings’, but still never changed the system for ‘equality’. These holy kings usually taxed people just about as much as the conquering-rulers.
They preached for modesty and rules and regulation ..but which rulers wouldn’t want their people to live modestly ..cause this means more wealth and orderly kingdom for them. ..everybody is working and doing their jobs and giving taxes for the benefit of the kingdom..and the royalty and upper-classes get to relax and enjoy their lives.

So ..religions and their pantheons ..if it is that ‘spirit-humans’ played the roles of these pantheons (= ‘spiritual visions and communication’ came from ‘human-spirit world’ and not from the true Creator), and I have a feeling it is so, ..always served the agenda of the ruling classes, and helped them to stay as rulers and secured their wealth and easier living.

You can always say that “religions brought peace, security, morality and order into the world” ..but also just rulers wanting to secure their kingdoms and positions of power and wealth, would want order and regulated world ..so, “religions” wouldn’t be needed to put order into the world thou it is many times explained this way, because the ruling-class also want to live in security and enjoy their wealth.

If the king doesn’t want anyone to kill him or to steal his wealth, he outlaws ‘killing’ and ‘stealing’ ..you know.

=
=

..a thought on human lifecycle-models presented in the religions and New Age-spirituality:

‘Re-incarnation-model’ and “Eternal life in Heaven ”-model just cannot be THE FACT OF LIFE & REALITY at the same time..
..so at least one of these concepts for ‘human life cycle’-model MUST be wrong

..or are they both false realities?

=
=

spirit-humans as “astral-aliens”..

..so why would spirit-humans, pretend to be “aliens contacting humans telepathically/astrally” (=with mental thought-forms) =to up hold the false reality/-ies which come with the many theories of ufology and modern New Age-spirituality.

And also to help keep this human invented technology concealed, for the benefit of the money-elite (bankers and industrialists) and make humanity believe these are ET-crafts.


djpakkal wrote:The last that I will say is this, I don't believe that you can learn shamanism, you got it or you don't got it. The most of the time people have the skills but got into a nut-house because they dont know and there is nobody that will teach them. It is good that the right people got enlighten but it is wrong when people got enlighten but doesn't have the right water for it. Just be careful about it cause it isn't always a gift ....

Oha and thanks for you reply :cheers:


..I’m personally not shamanistic and not very religious or spiritual …thou I’m quite familiar with the so called spiritual-phenomena (ESP=extra sensory perception), including with “shamanic illness”.

I’m sort of a “cosmological-realist” and I’m also a Deist-Atheist ..so I don’t have this “religious/spiritual-poetry” in me.. you know, this “flower-child, hippy-spiritual-poetry”-type thing. ..i’m too much of a “cold Realist” now-a-days, so I don’t have that ability anymore..

And so, I kinda don’t like to have “deep” spiritual conversations with people, cause I might kinda ruin their “journey”..so I kinda just try to talk about the surrounding ‘Reality and Facts’ without telling people how to feel about the Creator/Source

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PostMon Oct 18, 2010 11:52 am » by Djpakkal


I really don't know why these images come with those figures... It just was , but sometimes some things are a fact and we just don't understand them because we all look at things with our own perspective and wane hold on to thinks that us make feel good. If you are a Muslim and they say something about Mohamed or something , and a catholic hears it the same time you may be sure that the Muslim will take it on his perspective and hear the things he wane hear and the catholic that is in the same room at the same time will something different even that the words are the same...


..I’m personally not shamanistic and not very religious or spiritual …thou I’m quite familiar with the so called spiritual-phenomena (ESP=extra sensory perception), including with “shamanic illness”.

ESP is indeed a scientific al term for the "gift" of shamanism, like i said earlier it is not for everybody. You may call it what you want , like I said we are all living on the world , but we all live in our own world (feel me?). So you got ESP, psychosis, multiple personality syndrome .... We get all kind of names, but after a "session" they all speak different , hehehe and that is the nice thing on the "divine" world. I'm totally against new age shite this is the cause that a lot of people gone do stuff that they didn't suppose to do, and than the money fact .... bah discus-ting. I personally doesn't have a practise , although i have some people who know me via or are just me friends that come and visit me for a pint and some help. Nobody have to pay by me, cause i got this "gift" for free so if I can help somebody I do it for free.


I’m sort of a “cosmological-realist” and I’m also a Deist-Atheist ..so I don’t have this “religious/spiritual-poetry” in me.. you know, this “flower-child, hippy-spiritual-poetry”-type thing. ..i’m too much of a “cold Realist” now-a-days, so I don’t have that ability anymore..

He that is your view about you, the fact that know so much and speak so freely is maybe a fact that you are your own "shaman", everybody got something in there water/vibe even those who claimed not. There is nothing wrong with realism, but like you say above what is realism? I don't think we in the western world can say what realisme is because we / they are all living with there heads in TV.

And so, I kinda don’t like to have “deep” spiritual conversations with people, cause I might kinda ruin their “journey”..so I kinda just try to talk about the surrounding ‘Reality and Facts’ without telling people how to feel about the Creator/Source

Or they may ruin yours ... :wink:
In my opinion you are right these are things you don't discus on the open, but never close your self of from other perspections maybe the real one is passing by and you don't put your self open to it, it may pas away and most of the time, when it is passed you start searching for it ... (thinking on a nice woman or something :owned: )


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Also peace to you bro thx for the aply

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PostMon Oct 18, 2010 1:19 pm » by Nihilgeist


Yet another "theory" on the Alien Agenda. This Nick Redfern was on Coast2CoastAM tonight. I never thought I'd believe in the "Demonic" theory but if it was ever convincing to me, this would probably be the stuff to back it up. I don't know what to think....

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/10/17

UFO researcher Nick Redfern joined George Knapp to talk about a secret group within the U.S. government known as the Collins Elite, who believe our purported alien visitors are actually deceptive demonic entities. Redfern first learned of the group's existence, through Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest, and former director of Nebraska's MUFON. Boeche said back in 1991 he met with two men from the Defense Dept. who told him about a secret project to contact NHE's (non-human entities). They showed him photographs of people who allegedly died during experiments while contacting the NHEs, and contended that the beings they communicated with were simply masquerading as ETs.

Eventually, Redfern interviewed a man in his 80s named Richard Duke, who claimed to be a member of the Collins Elite up until 1960, and recalled many specific details about the group. The group took its inspiration from occultist Aleister Crowley's ritual in which he reportedly made contact with an interdimensional entity named Lam. Later, in the 1940s, rocket scientist Jack Parsons engaged in similar experiments trying to invoke a being, and subsequent UFO sightings may have been enabled through his opening of a portal, the group believed. According to Duke, the Collins Elite also suspected that various contactees in the 1950s, such as George Hunt Williamson, who used a Oujia board for ET communications, were experiencing demonic deceptions.

In the 1960s, the Collins Elite examined a number of NDE reports, such as one in which deceased humans moved through a hellish landscape as a UFO-type craft hovered overhead, extracting their souls with a ball of light, Redfern detailed. "They eventually came to the conclusion...that the human soul possesses some sort of energy, which these entities can use as sustenance...In other words, they're harvesting human souls," he said, adding that the group believed that a strong religious viewpoint, such as Christian fundamentalism could keep the demonic entities at bay.



More Background information on the ties with Aleister Crowley and this "Lam" entitity:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

Report

Preface

This report presupposes two very outlandish things: that there are "aliens", and that some people (occultists) have "magickal powers." It is not the point of this report to prove whether or not there are such beings or powers. What is known is that there are people who believe that there are such beings and believe that they have such powers. The crux of this report is based on what people believe, which may be very different from the way things really are. Please bear this in mind.

This report also recounts some very curious behavior on the part of a number of people. These behaviors and events actually did take place and are fact. However, the supposed results of these events are entirely subjective and entirely in the realm of belief. It is not my purpose to try to prove or disprove the beliefs of the people involved. It's what they did (and do) because of these beliefs that interest me.

Introduction

I first became curious about a possible connection between the "grey aliens" of popular UFO culture and the activities of certain occultists after seeing several of UFO investigator Ray Fowler's books on the recommended reading list of a satanic website. In an idle moment I had done a Google search on Ray's book, The Watchers II, and one of the spots that listed it - much to my surprise - was the recommended reading list of a satanic group. (It is not my moral judgment that this group is satanic, the group itself calls itself satanic.)

Interview with Raymond E. Fowler

Aliens, Abductions, and the Andreasson Affair

By Daniel V. Boudillion


Dan Boudillion: Ray, with 5 books on the Andreasson affair, you and your name have become inexorably linked with it. I find it suggestive that in the end the same thread of buried contact memories may have run a parallel course through your life as well. Are your and Betty Andreasson Luca’s experiences linked at some deeper level beyond coincidence? If so, what do you think its all about and where do you think its all going?

Ray Fowler: I don’t know. I do know that I was attracted to her case not only because Dr. Hynek referred it but also because she is a Christian. Initially I was interested in how a Christian would process an abduction experience. Also, and importantly, it was my exposure to her childhood contact and abduction experiences that once again triggered memories of similar childhood experiences and my future exploration of them. Along the way there have been a number of parallel coincidences including our receiving the typical scoop marks during the same week and told by the entities that we were going to do something important for mankind.

To read the entire interview, click here.

I found this both disturbing and inexplicable - for what reason would a UFO book be included in the curriculum of a satanic group, and why Ray's book in particular? I emailed Ray and asked him if he had any insight into the situation, but he was as perplexed as I was. And there matters rested for a year or so until additional information came into my hands, information that may indicate - much as John Keel himself believed (Mothman Prophesies) - that occult activity may be an ingredient of the "grey alien" mystery.

The pictures below bear a resemblance and may hold the key. The first picture is a drawing made by occultist Alistair Crowley of an entity he had invoked repeatedly in 1918 and called "Lam." The second picture is a composite drawing by Ann Direnger (Contact of the 5th Kind - Imbrogno) of an "alien" type reported throughout 1980's in the Hudson Valley. Having noticed the similarity, I proceeded to investigate the connection.

Lam Image "Alien" Image

Purpose of the Report

It is the purpose of this report to investigate a similarity and possible connection, and particularly answer the question "For what reason would a UFO book be included in the curriculum of a satanic group, and why Ray Fowler's book The Watchers II in particular?"

Investigation

Aleister Crowley

The Englishman Aleister Crowley (1875 - 1947) was one of the most notorious occultists of his day, and perhaps of modern times. Self-styled as "The Beast 666," he went out of his way to live up to it with his sensationalism and self-promotion. He wrote a number of textbooks on ceremonial magick, most of which are still in print today. He also founded and was head of a number of occult fraternities. In short, he exerted a significant influence on occult circles that has continued to grow dramatically, long after his death.

The Amalantrah Working

In January through March of 1918 Crowley began a series of magickal workings called the Amalantrah Workings in furnished rooms in Central Park West, New York City. These were a performed via Sexual & Ceremonial Magick (his spelling) with the intent to invoke certain "intelligences" to physical manifestation. In actuality, the workings typically manifested as a series of visions and communications received through the mediumship of his partner, Roddie Minor.

Be that as it may, at least one such "intelligence" was brought into physical manifestation via the Magickal Portal they created. (A portal in this context is a "magickally" created rent in the fabric of time and space.) The entity that came through is the one pictured above left. Crowley maintained the picture is actually a portrait and drawn from real life. This entity either called itself "Lam," or was named "Lam" by Crowley. Either way, he considered it to be of interdimensional origin, which was the term then for extraterrestrial. In communications with Lam, the symbolism of the egg featured prominently.

Aleister Crowley

Crowley included the portrait of Lam in his Dead Souls exhibition held in Greenwich Village, New York, in 1919. In that same year it was published as a frontispiece labeled The Way to Crowley's commentary to Blavatsky's The Voice of the Silence. Beneath the picture was the following inscription: "LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth, the specific title of the Gods of Egypt, the Treader of the Path, in Buddhistic phraseology. Its numerical value is 71, the number of this book."

Scan of Frontispiece

Other than this, there is no commentary extant from Crowley upon the subject of Lam except for material published by disciples such as Kenneth Grant. Interestingly, Crowley gave the drawing to Grant in 1945.

Cult of Lam

Since Crowley's time, several occult groups and individuals following in his footsteps have claimed to have intentionally and successfully contacted "Lam." Most notably, Michael Bertiaux in the 1960's followed by a group of O.T.O initiates in the 1970's. (The O.T.O. is the Ordo Templi Orientis, a Magickal order run by Crowley.) These individuals consider "Lam" to be a trans-mundane or extraterrestrial entity and claimed remarkable success in their invocations - if they are to be believed.

Following the success of these contacts, interest in occult circles, especially Crowleyian ones, gathered considerable steam. In 1987, Kenneth Grant, the generally acknowledged successor to Crowley, went so far as to formalize the Lam Workings into something called the Cult of Lam. To quote from Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. website:

"The Cult [of Lam] has been founded because very strong intimations have been received by Aossic Aiwass, 718'.' to the effect that the portrait of Lam (the original drawing of which was given by 666'.' to 718'.' under curious circumstances) is the present focus of an extra-terrestrial - and perhaps trans-plutonic - Energy which the O.T.O. is required to communicate at this critical period, for we have now entered the Eighties mentioned in The Book of the Law. It is Our aim to obtain some insight not only into the nature of Lam, but also into the possibilities of using the Egg as an astral space-capsule for travelling to Lam's domain, or for exploring extra-terrestrial spaces in the sense in which O.T.O. Tantric Time-Travelers are exploring the Tunnels of Set in intra-cosmic and chthonian capsules.

Members of the O.T.O. who feel strongly attracted to this Cult of Lam are invited to apply for participation therein. It is open only to Order members. They should contact Frater Ani Asig, 375'.' of the Sovereign Sanctuary, O.T.O. and submit a formal, typewritten and signed acceptance of the conditions of Working outlined here.

It should be understood that proficiency in the magical formulae of this Cult does not necessarily comport eligibility for advancement in the O.T.O., its parent Order."

Concurrently, a manuscript called "The Lam Statement" (see picture above) was circulated among O.T.O. initiates with a view to "regularizing the mode of rapport and constructing a magical formula for establishing communication with Lam."

Who is Lam?

It is interesting to note that since Crowley's time, in occult terms at least, Lam is considered a class of entity rather than an individual being. When one invokes Lam, they are invoking an entity of that type, rather than a specific being. For occultists operating along O.T.O. lines, the idea is to invoke these Lam entities through Magickal Portals (intentionally created rents in time and space) into physical manifestation on planet earth. Why this is desirable is not always so clearly stated. (It often appears that within Crowleyian circles the working rule is often: "If Crowley did it, I want to do it, too.")

Michael Bertiaux, a Lam contactee and invoker of note, viewed Lam as the "subterranean burgeoning of Lucifer-Gnosis." Considering that Gnosis means an intuitive knowing, this would mean that knowing Lam is to know a welling-up from the unconscious of an inner knowing of Lucifer. (The Occult being the occult, it is important to bear in mind that occultists at least may not necessarily see Lucifer as the devil, but rather as a "light bringer" who fell to earth.)

Bertiaux goes on to say that Lam is the natural mode of human evolution in the present Aeon - indicating that to him and his followers this Lucifer-Gnosis is the appropriate path of human spiritual growth at this time.

Michael Beriaux

Cowley termed the intentional cultivation of spiritual growth the "Great Work." And the Great work for Crowley, "...involved precisely the establishment of contact with non-human intelligences." Intelligences such as Lam. Using the language of Crowley's time, certain non-human intelligences such as Lam were what we today would term "extraterrestrial."

A Portal Opened

It is generally agreed within occult circles that Crowley intentionally opened a portal of entry via magick ritual in the Amalantrah Workings which allowed the likes of Lam and other similar entities a passageway onto the earth-world. The rift "in-between the spaces of the stars," created by the Amalantrah Working, created a gateway through which Lam and other extra-cosmic influences could enter the known universe, and most particularly, our earth-world. According to occultists involved in such things, the Portal has since widened.

The Babylon Working

According to occult lore, the Portal was further enlarged by a Jet Propulsion Laboratory founder and rocket fuel scientist named Jack Parsons, and Scientology and Dianetics founder L. Ron Hubbard in 1946, facilitating - so it is said - a monumental paradigm shift in human consciousness. This Magickal working was called the Babylon Working, and like the Amalantrah Working on which its ritual was patterned, it was based on ceremonial sex magick.

Together they "endeavoured to ... incarnate a physical aspect of Babylon, the Scarlet Woman of the Book of Revelations (17:3-6). They believed that Babylon was the herald of the new Age of Horus, and that Revelations was the understandably negative interpretation by those of the dying Age of Osiris."

Jack Parsons and a rocket

The gist of it was that Parsons desired to take the spirit of Babylon, the "Whore of Babylon," and invest it in a human being. The idea was to create a child in the spiritual world, and then call down the spiritual baby and direct it into a human womb. When born, this child would incarnate the forces of Babylon, which they considered to be a good thing. (Although Crowley had previously written the somewhat hilarious book Moonchild - concerning a similar experiment - he wrote in a letter: "Apparently Parsons and Hubbard or somebody is producing a moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts.")

In any event, the rites were duly performed as written from January 4th to 15th of that year. It is not known if a spiritual child was enwombed from them. What is known is that the Magickal Portal first created by Crowley, and which originally let Lam into the earth-world, was reestablished with considerable intensity by Parsons and Hubbard. From the diaries of the participants, it is also clear that they were not as adept as Crowley in the closings of portals. What they seemed to have accomplished was the drastic enlargement and ripping of an existing Magickal Portal and the subsequent non-closure of it. Perhaps the rip they created was not possible to close. In any event, the modern UFO era began exactly a year and a half later on June 24th, 1947, with Kenneth Arnold's sighting over the Cascade Mountains in Washington State.

Ken Arnold with sketch of his sighting

Grey Aliens

The "grey aliens," slight-bodied, big-headed, large-dark-eyed manikin creatures are primarily an American phenomena. And, it is interesting to note that all the Lam workings were done in America.

Reports of these UFO-associated entities became prevalent in the 1980's and made the big time with Whitley Strieber's book Communion. The "greys" appear eerily similar to Lam, with the exception of Lam not having the large insectoid wraparound eyes reported of the "greys." However, there are variations of these small manikins that very much resemble a Lam. See the second of the two pictures at the top of this page. This entity is a composite of a variation commonly seen in the 1980's. Rather than grey, its skin tone is clay-white and the facial features are different. In fact, the resemblance to the Lam pictured by Crowley is virtually exact.

Also and perhaps most significantly, Kenneth Grant, head of the current O.T.O., states that: "Lam is a Great Old One whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants." It would seem from this official Typhonian statement that the current invokers of Lam are absolutely clear that Lam and the grey-aliens are one.

Kenneth Grant

Satanism

I am not an expert on Satanism, nor do I intend to be. However, there are some reasonably obvious things I have gleaned. First, Satanism is not a unified movement like Christianity or Islam. It is comprised of individuals with their own distinct ideas about what it means to be a Satanist. Second, to some it is a religion, to some a philosophy, to others a magickal path. Third, there is usually a thread of magickal interest in most Satanists of most types. And, where there is an interest in magick among Satanists, it is almost universally an interest in Crowleyian derived Magick.

Discussion

Back to the Questions

The questions that initiated this investigation and report were: What possible connection is there between the "grey aliens" of popular UFO culture and the activities of certain occultists & for what reason would a UFO book be included in the curriculum of a satanic group, and why Ray Fowler's book The Watchers II in particular?

Question One Discussion

Based on face value of the evidence, a theory could be constructed that not only are the Lams "grey aliens," but that the arrival of the "grey aliens" in American UFO culture was facilitated solely by the magical workings of Aleister Crowley and later disciples working in his footsteps. There are official O.T.O. groups today, such as the Cult of Lam, that are dedicated to invoking the Lam entities into the earth-world. According to their literature, not only is contact with non-human entities an integral component of spiritual growth, but the "Lam Consciousness" of Lucifer-Gnosis is the "natural mode of human evolution in the present Aeon." Thus these grey-alien/Lam entities are deemed worthy of invocation into the earth-world on behalf of the interests of humanity's evolution.

According to the face value of the evidence, one could also theorize that the Magickal Portal that Crowley created in the Amalantrah Working brought through the first of these beings. However, the Portal constructed was properly closed. In contrast, when Parsons and Hubbard did their similarly constructed Babylon working involving the opening of the same Portal, either they ripped the portal beyond ability to be repaired and closed, or it was enlarged beyond their ability to close it. In either case, the Portal - according to the evidence - has remained opened ever since to all manner of interdimensional entities to ingress upon the earth-world at will. The Parsons/Hubbard working effectively opened the world to the modern UFO entity situation. And, based on the Lucifer-Gnosis construct, O.T.O.-style occultists have continued to pull further interdimensional entities through this rip or unclosable portal.

Of course, Kenneth Grant's statement noted above ("Lam is a Great Old One whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants") is the final proof that the Crowleyian occultists fully believe that they are indeed invoking "grey aliens" into the earth-world.

Two Cents for John Keel

Noted UFO/Fortean researcher and author John Keel felt that much of the paranormal situations he investigated, such as the "Mothman," were at root due to occult activity of some sort. And it looks like he was on to something.

Interestingly, part of the ritual for invoking Lam, or Lams, is to begin by meditating on the eyes of Crowley's Lam portrait. To quote Kenneth Grant: "To gaze into the eyes of this entity is to invite potent contact. One feels an immediate sensation of lightness, of weightlessness, and then a sensation of falling... of being sucked into a vortex...." Sound familiar? It is well known among UFO investigators that the eyes of the "grey aliens" have a powerful effect on the witness. Witnesses often feel like they are being sucked into their eyes. They also invoke deep feelings of fear.

John Keel

Grant continues with instructions: "The eyes will enlarge and will suck in [your] consciousness until there arises a sensation of being within the entities head." (Again, this is presented as a good thing.) In any event, the first gate of consciousness is obviously through the eyes. And thus one who would meditate upon the eyes of a portrait of such a entity will indeed begin the process of opening a portal within themselves to the entity. In other words, you don't have to be a trained occultist to raise hell in yourself, which is also one of Keel's contentions.

Question Two Discussion

Why would Ray Fowler's Watcher series be recommended by Satanists as part of their curriculum? First, most Satanists have an interest in magick. Second, the kind of magick is almost always Crowleyian magick. Third, a significant portion of the Crowleyain world feel that invoking Lam, or Lams, is a necessary part of moving human evolution ahead. Fourth, Lams are the occult label for "grey aliens." Fifth, the most comprehensive books on the habits and idiosyncrasies of the "greys" are Ray Fowler's Watcher series. If you want to know all about the "greys," you read Fowler.

Summary

1) "Grey Aliens" are Lams, and were first contacted via magickal ritual by Alistair Crowley. Further magickal ritual along similar lines created a situation where direct access for these entities to the earth-world was established. Certain groups and people believe this to be beneficiary to humanity, and continue to draw these beings into the earth-world through magickal ritual via the original access point.

2) Satanists are involved in Crowleyain Lam invocations and recommend Ray's books for their extensive content on the habits and idiosyncrasies of the "greys" (Lams).

Conclusion

It is now clear why Ray Fowler's books were recommended reading. This part of the puzzle, and the primary reason I wrote the report, has been solved to my satisfaction.

The secondary question raised by investigating the first (do "aliens" or "lams" actually exist) is a far different matter. People's actions are objective, but the motivations are based on the subjectivity of beliefs. What one person believes to be "reality" may not be in the least "real" to another.

At a certain level - and for the purposes of this report - it does not really matter if these beings and powers are objectively "real" or not. What is significant and of pertinence here is that many members of the occult community (O.T.O./Crowleyian) do indeed believe these beings and powers to be "real" and govern themselves accordingly. They spend considerable time attempting communication and invocation of them. They believe it is for the benefit of us all, although if this were generally known, I would think it would be a point of some considerable debate.

Addendum

Lam Lore

According to O.T.O. chief Kenneth Grant:

• Lam is known to be a link between the star systems of Sirius and Andromeda.

• Lam is the gateway to the Void. Its number, 71, is that of "NoThing", an apparition.

• Lam, as a Great Old One, whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants.

• Lam has been invoked to fulfill the work set afoot by Aiwass; as a reflex of Aiwass.

• Lam as the transmitter to AL of the vibrations of LA via MA, the key to the Aeon of Maat.

• Lam is the occult energy beaming the vibrations of Maat and may proceed from that future aeon.

Lam links: bibliotecapleyades.net

Finis

Note: The Author is not an expert on Satanism or Crowleyism, nor is a member of any such groups or affiliated with any such groups. The author has no interest in corresponding on such subjects. If you have questions on such subjects, please refer them elsewhere.




Although I have hard time swallowing this concept, it's not necessarily unreasonable to propose these interdimensional beings utilize our energy for sustenance and have been involved/intertwined with our history since man's beginnings, and therefore have been an influence on religion and beliefs. It also doesn't bode well that current GFL nutjobs "channel" these beings of light of theirs with their messages. Even the October 13th "events" proposed by the NORAD retiree were "channeled". It also wouldn't surprise me that the Nazi's dabblings in the occult gave rise to their involvement with this type of technology as well.

This whole thing just doesn't sit with me very well, with obvious reasons why, because if it's true, well, clearly this isn't a very good reality for us.
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