ANCIENT ALIENS: The Da Vinci Conspiracy S04E08

[Perronick Profile]

Not exactly knowledge, but reasoning. Also, knowledge can be neutral or inanimate, if you will, but you wouldn't give a hand grenade to a monkey, if you'd care for the moneky's well-being.

You told about the grenade (you like grenades )...A grenade is a CONSTRUCT made out of knowledge, not knowledge per se!

You stated twice as well how you'd like to keep mankind from this subjected knowledge!

Lastly, you stated about how I underestimate mankind's potential, when in fact is that you the one obviously doing so!

The hand grenade is my favorite metaphor for Atomic Energy. So far, we've got a very dirty, ineffective, carcinogenic way to create energy AND atomic weapons. I think we can perfectly go without it. I still think it's good example.

However, I do not wish to deny knowledge to mankind, I say that there are other ways to obtain knowledge, rather than resorting to channeling or Extraterrestrial Beings. Wether is God inside all of us or not, we can get to know things by reasoning, empathy, failure, love, hate and so on. I'd say that shows a lot of faith in human kind.

[Iamthatiam Profile]

Sentient, you know damn well how mental constructs work, and the hand grenade doesn't apply at all....

There is a entire "assembling" process in order that could be 'projected' over any one chosen target! The 'monkey', from perronick's would be completely unable of even wondering how to release the pin, as these thoughtforms need far better coherence and conscience to be employed. Ask yourself, once provided with the knowledge I believe you to be, would a thoughtform designed by a mind working under primary understandings concerning the widen range of existence, be designed and fed with the necessary strenght to cause any harm?

The knowledge must flow freely, just like it does nowadays throughout a wide variety of mediums...The ones able will master their 'ways', the ones unable will only cause some confusion to others and themselves, prevented by the nature of knowledge itself to do any significant and permanent harm!

[Iamthatiam Profile]

The hand grenade is my favorite metaphor for Atomic Energy. So far, we've got a very dirty, ineffective, carcinogenic way to create energy AND atomic weapons. I think we can perfectly go without it. I still think it's good example.

However, I do not wish to deny knowledge to mankind, I say that there are other ways to obtain knowledge, rather than resorting to channeling or Extraterrestrial Beings. Wether is God inside all of us or not, we can get to know things by reasoning, empathy, failure, love, hate and so on. I'd say that shows a lot of faith in human kind.

Me too, it is a perfect example, don't you think? I mean, the Atomic energy...Feed entire cities, or send these to oblivion?! Remeber, the problem did never rely into the form of energy, but how it is contained...Take as an example that which is considered by science one, if not THE most perfect forms of energy, similar to that used by this civilization: The Nuclear Fusion...Clean...Perfect, yet cannot be contained...If one is kept ignorant to how the worlds behind worlds works, how then s/he will be able of containing these events, that sooner or later will get to them? These events are naturally unlocked through one's evolutive process, whether liking or not!!!

Besides, you mentioned failure, well....how'd mankind learn if not through failures? To failure happens, something must actually be done, and be kept hiding in fear from higher realities is not quite that which is considered doing something!

[Truthdefender Profile]

And that friend is exactly what the Bible says people will do in the last of the Last Days. That they will entertain the notions and doctrines of fallen beings. Doctrines designed for the sole purpose of leading humans into error, and away from their Creator. I know, I know, the Bible is just a book to control the masses, written by men, right? It's just so damn accurate right down to your very attitudes.

Have people not always entertained different notions? If people did not...would there ever be any kind of advancement?

How thoroughly must one study esoteric metaphysical writings to determine what it is leading anyone into? Scholars and proselytizer cannot agree on multiple aspects of scripture. Is Lucifer the devil? Is Lucifer the star of the morning? Is Jesus the bright and morning star? Are they one and the same? Is Lucifer a mere anthropomorphized analogy of the celestial bodies in comparison to a ruler in the old testament? These little debates still rage on today and differences are preached according to the interpretation of the individual reading it. Unless a phony, most proselytizers believe they were called upon by God to preach and given their interpretation by such. Can we then deduce that many are deluded or does God want all these differings taught? To say what a text reveals to one does not say that it is all it can reveal to humankind as a whole.

Does accurate writings in the Bible prove it to be factual at every turn? Are there any inaccuracies? If so, would they then disprove the entirety of such?

Are the people who long ago wrote stories about rockets prophets of truth because we created the rockets later or did we create them because of the stories about rockets?

There are supposedly Christian professed groups and Jewish groups who do make attempts to rebuild Solomon's Temple to hasten end time prophecies in some viewpoints and the coming of their Messiah/Savior. Is it possible that people bring about things such as this because of the desire for it to occur without any real foreknowledge of supposed prophets? Could people attempt to use such prophesies for their own goals and purposes due to wide spread belief in such? Could these same folks using the info for their own goals merely portray their belief in such and not hold said belief at all?

Are prophecies the result of foreseen trends? Are weathermen prophets? Is it possible to bring a prophecy about over a space of time without any real foreknowledge?


Not saying anyone here is doing such in this thread, but I take issue when people ramble on about supposed evil esoteric knowledge being kept secret from the general masses but yet when such is available for the read, the writings themselves are rejected as evil as well. If one believes it is evil regardless, would one try to destroy it if they managed to get it out of the hands of those who they claim have it and are keeping it secret? If so, then it is obvious on at least one level why some may desire that unlearned and unacquired information, is kept secret. Just because someone doesn't understand it or decides to use it for nefarious purposes even when they do understand it, does not make the information itself evil. As with the reference to giving a monkey a hand grenade...i think that is an excellent example as well as to why some chose to keep certain information secret.. Not only should one want to protect the monkey...but protect themselves from something that could endanger them due to the lack of intellectual capacity of an untrained and/or unknowledgeable monkey. A monkey might be able to figure out how to pull the pin on it's own but would it know of the consequences of doing such before hand?

There are several examples of writings being destroyed by someone for their own reasons throughout history. No telling what info the Library of Alexandria may have lost.

In Iraq, we hear of looting of treasures even today. I would guess there are a variety of reasons for such things but I doubt we can exclude that some may find such items evil as well.

Feel free to conclude what one will but at least consider all information. One does themselves a great disservice making conclusions without great consideration, deliberation, and attempts to understand many points of view and see beyond what they currently believe. Even when one comes to a conclusion, it would be wise to always do so with the eternal belief they may be wrong and reassess the information and themselves from time to time.

Humankind's potential is vast. Once more and more people start reasoning out how to better process and analyze information into their thinking...and this is an ongoing procedure....we all will be better off. This is something that should be a part of curriculum at every level. Unfortunately people are not instructed in how to think...they usually are only instructed in what to think.

I do enjoy reading your posts sentient, but feel you over complicate and over-analyze sometimes. As far as your questions concerning prophecy and the discrepancies between interpreters/interpretations as it relates to this thread and context:

1/3 of the New Testament is prophetic in nature. They say the Bible as a whole is nearly a third prophetic, some 1,000 or more prophecies. 500 having been fulfilled in minute detail by ancient Israel, Greece, Alexander the Great, Cyrus the Persian, the Persian Empire, the Romans, current Israel, and Jesus of Nazareth at least 100 individual centuries old prophecies. There simply is nothing that compares to the Bible. It declares itself to be the Word of the Living God, and does what only God can do--Declare the Future before it happens!

Isaiah 46
9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’

John 13
19 Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am He.

Now as for the context of this thread, I was only pointing out the accuracy with which the Bible has predicted that during a time period the Bible calls the Last Days, many people would contact spirits and fallen beings for knowledge and doctrines. This is fully evidenced by the theosophists of old, but far more prevalent in our own New Age, ufology culture, and is being practiced by a good many people. So to your question, Did these people read 1 Timothy 4, and then decide to attempt channeling, in an attempt to fulfill prophecy, or did the Spirit of God witness what would take place today, and relay it to His prophets of yesterday as a loving warning to us? And as you pointed out, this reasoning can be used for all the prophecies in the Bible. Did Jesus, being aware of the Messianic prophecies, attempt to fulfill them? Or, were they written about the Messiah who IS Jesus?

As far as secret knowledge goes, means nothing to me. If people don't see the dangers in speaking to the 'ether,' or allowing a non-human intelligence to 'walk-in' and control their bodies, far be it from me to run around destroying copies of the Secret Doctrine. But, ridiculed or not, I will "reprove the unfruitful works of darkness." And continue the pesky Christian practice of sharing what the Bible has to say about the days in which we live.

Good seeing you. Peace

[Iamthatiam Profile]

"If people don't see the dangers in speaking to the 'ether,' or allowing a non-human intelligence to 'walk-in' and control their bodies"

Very tangible and 'human', the Holy Ghost and entourage!

[Sentientseed Profile]

My only claim to the monkey and hand grenade was that it does give credence to why "some" choose to keep information/technology hidden from others. Although the monkey may not be able to reason the pulling of the pin, it could very well figure out how to pull it or merely pull it through mere accident and/or coincidence. Some would say that this could be dangerous for the monkey and for those in the vicinity of such.

One doesn't have to use a monkey analogy to see the why's that some choose to keep things secret or inaccessible. Just using the talk of Nuclear Weapons alone should shine light on that. Could I learn how to build nuclear weapons? Sure. Do I want to? No. Why? I have no desire for such information and I would not want to be forced to build such a thing nor give out such information against my will by anyone who might come to find I had that capability or information. I wouldn't mind learning how to harness nuclear energy and very well could... but would never want to learn how to weaponize it.

There are plenty of smart people in the world. There are many more who have the capacity to intellectually excel. But, even smart people do dumb things. Also, just because one is intelligent doesn't make them knowledgeable on every subject. Watch a few episodes of Big Bang Theory and one can see the representation of high I.Q.---Idiot Quandary in some aspects. One could be overwhelmingly knowledgeable in some sciences, mathamatics, etc. and believe a backwoods hillybilly to be dumb as a stump. But, what if something major occurs and the guy who believes himself superior to the hillbilly...finds himself in a survival situation that requires skills the hillbilly possess of which the self supposed higher intellect does not have? Who may be viewing who as intelligent and dumb in that situation may vary well reverse. There are many variations of intelligence.

I am starting to ramble. I may address some other things later that have been directed to me but I got to do a few things around the house first.

[Truthdefender Profile]

"My only claim to the monkey and hand grenade was that it does give credence to why "some" choose to keep information/technology hidden from others. Although the monkey may not be able to reason the pulling of the pin, it could very well figure out how to pull it or merely pull it through mere accident and/or coincidence. Some would say that this could be dangerous for the monkey and for those in the vicinity of such."

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See? Not only it managed to handle the gun without harming itself, but it also shot at the right targets (these ethnical cleansers/murderers)!

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See? Not only it managed to handle the gun without harming itself, but it also shot at the right targets (these ethnical cleansers/murderers)!

Damned right bro... And who looked foolish there....The so called superior being or the being that is completely open to learning not so stupid eh....Part of the superiority complex the human race pertains to.....

No recoil ???

[Iamthatiam Profile]

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See? Not only it managed to handle the gun without harming itself, but it also shot at the right targets (these ethnical cleansers/murderers)!

Damned right bro... And who looked foolish there....The so called superior being or the being that is completely open to learning not so stupid eh....Part of the superiority complex the human race pertains to.....

No recoil ???

LOLz...

Cool huh? The inherent wisdom of nature!

As for the recoil, the AK-47 has less recoil due to the ammo, 7.62 X 39mm! Besides, the chimp seems to be trained on doing so, since it was supporting the rifle quite well