Ancient Egypt's Pyramids: Norwegian Research Unlocks Secrets

[Kingz Profile]

I just want to say in advance, don't get your hopes up, because this guy doesn't make much sense at all to me... could be some disinfo, or just some professor who thinks he can outsmart the rest of the fuckers.....?

Ancient Egypt's Pyramids: Norwegian Researcher Unlocks Construction Secrets
ScienceDaily (Sep. 24, 2010)

Scientists from around the world have tried to understand how the Egyptians erected their giant pyramids. Now, an architect and researcher at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) says he has the answer to this ancient, unsolved puzzle.

Researchers have been so preoccupied by the weight of the stones that they tend to overlook two major problems: How did the Egyptians know exactly where to put the enormously heavy building blocks? And how was the master architect able to communicate detailed, highly precise plans to a workforce of 10,000 illiterate men?


The precision system of Khufu's Great Pyramid. (Credit: Ole J. Bryn / NTNU)

A 7-million-ton structure
These were among the questions that confronted Ole J. Bryn, an architect and associate professor in NTNU's Faculty of Architecture and Fine Art when he began examining Khufu's Great Pyramid in Giza. Khufu's pyramid, better known as the Pyramid of Cheops, consists of 2.3 million limestone blocks weighing roughly 7 million tons. At 146.6 meters high, it held the record as the tallest structure ever built for nearly 4000 years.

What Bryn discovered was quite simple. He believes that the Egyptians invented the modern building grid, by separating the structure's measuring system from the physical building itself, thus introducing tolerance, as it is called in today's engineering and architectural professions.

The apex point a key
Bryn has studied the plans from the thirty oldest Egyptian pyramids, and discovered a precision system that made it possible for the Egyptians to reach the pyramid's last and highest point, the apex point, with an impressive degree of accuracy. By exploring and making a plan of the pyramid it is possible to prepare modern project documentation of not just one, but all pyramids from any given period.

As long as the architect knows the main dimensions of a pyramid, he can project the building as he would have done it with a modern building, but with building methods and measurements known from the ancient Egypt, Bryn says.

In a scientific article published May 2010 in the Nordic Journal of Architectural Research, Bryn discusses aspects that can explain the construction of a multitude of the Egyptian pyramids by taking the building grid, and not the physical building itself, as the starting point for the analysis.

A new map
If the principles behind Bryn's drawings are correct, then archaeologists will have a new "map" that demonstrates that the pyramids are not a "bunch of heavy rocks with unknown structures" but, rather, incredibly precise structures.

Ole J. Bryn's findings will be presented and explained at the exhibition The Apex Point in Trondheim from September 13th to October 1st. The exhibition is an official part of the program to celebrate the centenary (1910-2010) of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology.

About the author:
Ole J. Bryn is a former practising architect, and currently holds a position as Associate Professor at the Faculty of Architecture and Fine Art, the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim, Norway.

The development of Bryn's theories on the building grids used in Egyptian pyramids has benefited from cooperation with Dr. Michel Barsoum, Grosvenor and Distinguished Professor at the Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Drexel University, Philadelphia.

Journal Reference:
1. Ole J. Bryn. Retracing Khufu's Great Pyramid. Nordic Journal of Architectural Research, 2010; 22 (1/2)
http://www.ntnu.no/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 084615.htm

[Ryanm3393 Profile]

it looks like its built to gather condensation.

[Liabilityzero Profile]

it looks like its built to gather condensation.

...Why, if the Nile is so close?

[Canubis Profile]

it looks like its built to gather condensation.

...Why, if the Nile is so close?

and WHY wont you all listen to me? i wish i could say in 100 or 1000 years everyone one will look bak n say o Canubis was right but u will find out this YEAR! Fear monga nothing, lifes and life is at steak!

[Charliemagpie Profile]

What a Bullshit Theory.

Over the last 1000 years we have developed hundreds of building techniques and this guy pulls one out of his ass.

What are the odds that an ancient civilization just happened to go from basics to this ?

So if I get the gist his theory, 1 smart guy was able to disseminate this to 10 'smart supervisors' who each had the task to oversee 1000 uneducated people to carry out the labor.

Of course, blocks were moved 100 miles or so to the site, and a block was laid every minute, 12 hours a day for 20 years.

So how many people were manning the conveyor belt ?(rolling logs or boats or whatever)

In order to maintain a speedy constant supply of blocks, they would have had to lineup end to end from source to building site. How many people for this task ? 10,000 ?

And how many people/teams did it take to supply 1 block per minute ?
i.e. if it takes a team of 2 people 4 hours to make a block... that's 240 teams. or 560 workers just making blocks.

Not sure if got the numbers right... probably need 3-10 times as many.

And who fed these people 365 days a year ?

Apparently they were not slaves but devoted followers.. I suppose they had families.. wife and 2 kids.

So who fed these 40,000 people for 20 years ?

Yes, they grew crops 6 months of the year and worked on the pyramid the other 6 months... Just complicates things further. Its like a lie that gets out of hand.

[Andgene Profile]

I think that any effort to explain pyramids in a conventional and mainstream manner is FUTILE, it's like saying that the sun is made out of farts and powdered sugar

[Deuem Profile]

Of course, blocks were moved 100 miles or so to the site, and a block was laid every minute, 12 hours a day for 20 years.

Charlie, this would have to be an average. Something like 80 percent of the stones are in the first 30 percent of the height. So at some time they had to work faster than 1 per minute and then much slower as they neared the top. No?
Deuem

[Charliemagpie Profile]

Of course, blocks were moved 100 miles or so to the site, and a block was laid every minute, 12 hours a day for 20 years.

Charlie, this would have to be an average. Something like 80 percent of the stones are in the first 30 percent of the height. So at some time they had to work faster than 1 per minute and then much slower as they neared the top. No?
Deuem

In my professional opinion Yes and No
1 block per minute is average... so maybe they laid the first 80% (1.8 million or so) every 10 seconds. Perfectly achievable.
We do have to increase the block making workforce by a factor of 6. So that's approx 5000 people making blocks. Then they need to be moved a lot faster, so we could triple it to 30000 people... mmm so including families we now have to feed 140,000 people.
I'm sure our Norwegian theoretical genius has factored all that in.

I can never get over these very clever people trying to come up with logical yet totally implausible solutions. I have a close relative who is a professor of architecture , a very intelligent man. He comes up with 'logical' theories such as how they were able to smooth out or harden the surface in order to roll the blocks along.... yet when confronted with these logistical aspects .. he is at a total loss. This should be the easy part.

I am yet to find any serious scholarly paper which describes in reasonable logical detail manpower use, and logistical support.

And the Sun is made up of farts mixed in with BROWN sugar.

[Deuem Profile]

By Charlie:
So if I get the gist his theory, 1 smart guy was able to disseminate this to 10 'smart supervisors' who each had the task to oversee 1000 uneducated people to carry out the labor.

I do find this statement interesting and actually close to factual. In many parts of the world this is exactly what happens. If you take it up a notch to your 10,000 work force. It would mean that there would be10 smart guys, 100 supervisors and I would add the chief Architect on top. Seeing how most of the work is manual labor, this would work. In other words, when work is divided into meaningless tasks, anyone can do it. I have designed and built some rather large buildings and you would be surprised if not shocked to the actual amount of people that really know what is going on. If you get into the load bearing of buildings, the number gets even less. On the last large job we did years ago, a work force of over 2,000 workers and maybe 3 people really understood everything. 4 if you count the government inspector. For about every 100 men there was a supervisor and for every trade a smart guy.
Deuem

[Deuem Profile]

@kingz, Hi, I have read this article 5 times now and went out to the web site and read it again. It seems to be full of nothing? Except for the notion of a grid. People have been building with grids as far back as I know of. I don't see why this is so remarkable. It proves nothing to me. The discussion Charlie and I are having is better than the article in that web site. It must have been a slow day for news. I still can't see what secret he figured out. If you have any follow ups to this, please post them. Thanks,
Deuem