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PostSat Jul 30, 2011 2:56 am » by Hansom


immortalgropher wrote:
I agree with much of what you said but it still will not work. The main reason is because not all men want what you want. They don't believe in giving respect to others, they are hell bent on power, money and control. Because these new world order people would not give respect to others and the right to life and liberty, then Jesus Christ will eventually make sure they are all brought to an end.


I find that a contradicting statement. Why? Because all of us are hell bent on money, power and control to a certain extent. So that would technically mean that those of us who run businesses are inherently evil. On the same token, that would make preachers technically evil.

Just sayin' That's some flawed logic buddy.


I don't think it's about desire itself, we all have desire.
I think it's more a case of what exactly you desire, how much you desire and to what extent would you go to attain that which you desire.

For example: A person playing a first person shooting game has a desire to kill.
How much ? Not a great deal.
To what extent ? They are quite satisfied with the digitally rendered version of the experience.

An owner of a business has a desire to help the underprivileged in their community.
How much ? Quite alot.
To what extent ? They are not satisfied working a minimum wage job giving their bit to a local charity, so they invest time and money to create a business and from this position is better able to help those who need it.
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PostSat Jul 30, 2011 3:36 am » by Immortalgropher


hansom wrote:
immortalgropher wrote:
I agree with much of what you said but it still will not work. The main reason is because not all men want what you want. They don't believe in giving respect to others, they are hell bent on power, money and control. Because these new world order people would not give respect to others and the right to life and liberty, then Jesus Christ will eventually make sure they are all brought to an end.


I find that a contradicting statement. Why? Because all of us are hell bent on money, power and control to a certain extent. So that would technically mean that those of us who run businesses are inherently evil. On the same token, that would make preachers technically evil.

Just sayin' That's some flawed logic buddy.


I don't think it's about desire itself, we all have desire.
I think it's more a case of what exactly you desire, how much you desire and to what extent would you go to attain that which you desire.

For example: A person playing a first person shooting game has a desire to kill.
How much ? Not a great deal.
To what extent ? They are quite satisfied with the digitally rendered version of the experience.

An owner of a business has a desire to help the underprivileged in their community.
How much ? Quite alot.
To what extent ? They are not satisfied working a minimum wage job giving their bit to a local charity, so they invest time and money to create a business and from this position is better able to help those who need it.


Touche argument.

I know I sounded like a bit of an ass but I was hoping someone would give me a good response :P.
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PostSat Jul 30, 2011 7:11 am » by Eschat


immortalgropher wrote:
I agree with much of what you said but it still will not work. The main reason is because not all men want what you want. They don't believe in giving respect to others, they are hell bent on power, money and control. Because these new world order people would not give respect to others and the right to life and liberty, then Jesus Christ will eventually make sure they are all brought to an end.


I find that a contradicting statement. Why? Because all of us are hell bent on money, power and control to a certain extent. So that would technically mean that those of us who run businesses are inherently evil. On the same token, that would make preachers technically evil.

Just sayin' That's some flawed logic buddy.


Everyone wants a better life and God (Jesus) has no problem with a person wanting to make a lot of money. He does have a problem with people that use that money to harm others through the controlling of governments that short change the common person.

In fact scriptures declare that God would want you to prosper in your finances, businesses and other endeavors so long as you do not put eternal and spiritual security on the shelf because you are so busy every moment of your life with your business. In other words God wants you to prosper with him as a team, not as an individual without him.

I had an uncle that was worth 700 million dollars before black Monday over a decade ago. His spent more money on his ex-wives every year than the average person makes in a lifetime. During the last three years of his life after having a slow moving but fatal form of cancer. He said he lived more in those last 3 years in Alaska than his previous life, with the exception for the birth of his children. Those are his words not mine.

Since I'm a person that has seen miracles as well as having had miracles, I assumed one was possible for my uncle. While I was praying for my uncle once my uncle had a bout with ammonia, then passed out and went into a brief coma.

He came out of the coma left the intensive care unit and then went to his regular doctor. His doctor just about fainted and said that he could not find any cancer or scar tissue in his new x-ray, plus my uncle said he felt great. So much so that he went to an Easter Sunday service for the first time in 20 years. That night after coming home still feeling great he had a stroke and died.

The doctors still didn't understand why his cancer disappeared, it was like he had 20 year old lungs again. Nevertheless Jesus took him because it was time. The healing of the lungs was real, God however he did it for me not for my uncle because I had prayed so long for it.

Jesus did not want my heart broken. Jesus was showing me that there was nothing preventing him from healing Ron completely. But Jesus was showing me it was Ron's time to go home to God. By healing my uncles lungs I knew that God was showing me that even though Ron could of been healed he choose to take him home. Jesus was showing me that all was well and his perfect will was being done. Some however said that God was being cruel to have done it that way. I understand how they might think that but for me I understood.

So what is my point: God has his perfect will but he cares about how his will affect you. He is willing to help us understand when we ask. God knows you want to have security, money and all the things that we all want and need. But once you meet Jesus in the supernatural as I have then you will find out that Jesus will let you have your cake and eat it to so long as you do not use your liberty and freedom to hurt or belittle others.

So enjoy your business, just make sure you run your business rather than your business running you. If you let God help you in your business then it will never run you and it will prosper. But there is always that day when God will call you home, and that is God's business for sure. When you get home you won't want to come back except for loved ones.

Like the joke goes, a rich man died and went to heaven and took all his gold with him. Once in heaven the processing Angel said why have you brought that here. The man said it is my all my savings for my entire life. The Angel said" Very well then if you want to bring pavement with you then that's fine with God"

For those that have never read the Bible in the Book of Revelation it states that in heaven at least in one part of heaven that the streets are made of Gold

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