Anyone out there who has guts this thread is for you.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:20 am » by **Digitalvapor**

count me in

Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:26 am » by **Iwanci**

Humanbeing, sorry my friend, I disagree. Whilst this is NOT directed at you personally i am of the opinion that most people who inhabit this planet are easy targets and are in fact dumb fucks (as you state). In these forums there odds are a little more favourable however, where most people come to learn about things because they are at the very least inquisitive, I would happily say that the people on DTV or other such forums are less dim-witted than the main stream lemmings we co-exist with.

Everything comes from everything, every life is intertwined, can we change things?? YES absolutely, but the change must come from within the system not from without. It is obvious that a ‘new’ system will have little chance (if any) to co-exist with the current system, so then we really can only change the system we have, to do this will take time and we will likely not see it in our lifetimes, but we can start the process. Let’s not forget how many years the PTB have had to get this far, what makes us think for one second that we can just reverse what they have done in shorter time? Not likely. So then we infiltrate and we work a system within the system. But to do this we must have a pact, a few or many who have greater ambition to affect change and can meet in secrecy and work together for the betterment of the whole. Much of what we have read about the illuminati, freemasons etc that we all suspect has been occurring for hundreds of years we too must do the same and it will likely take hundreds of years to affect.

This then is the true mission and the true quest, not the bullshit and nonsensical rubbish that is easily screamed from the rooftops, no one has ever changed anything in history by screaming from the rooftops, sure they have gained some attention and maybe some notoriety but nothing has truly ever come from it. Look at our history, look at who the true power players were, were they well known? You will likely find that most information on their lives is hard to come by or not written about in any great depth. I am not talking about the puppets ‘the presidents’, they are not the power players, they are just the puppets put their to distract the masses, I am talking about the real power players, well hidden from society. So then, if you want to affect real change, you need to make real and binding commitments to the cause, the most difficult thing you will find is gathering people with any real influence and getting them to agree on exactly what the ‘cause’ should be.
Sorry for the longwinded reply, but yes, many people are numbskulls and idealistic dreamers with no balls no real vision and are the produce of the PTB, they serve a purpose in the overall scheme, every evil scheme needs the small distraction, and that is the purpose of these people, to show that someone is thinking, when in-fact they are just espousing what the PTB want them to do.
Real change comes with real sacrifice, takes planning, takes time, dedication, commitment etc, all the very things that we look back and despise the secret societies for is exactly what should be done, until then, there will only be pissing in wind.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:51 am » by **X-mog**

Our exasperation is simply the summation of a few thousand huge mistakes. It's a small price to pay for the age of ultra-convienience in which we live. If you understood what fools our ancestors were, you'd recognize that we are the lucky ones. Further complicating things will make the situation worse.
The aliens are judging us so don't be too crazy or they won't like you.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:06 am » by **Humanbeing**

everything iwanci said in his/her last post

everyone comes to a point in their life where they have to admit "you're probably right."

well said iwanci. and thanks for replying. I take nothing here personally, and I appreciate the chit chat.

Going further into detail, I see more and more where you are coming from. there is just so many (for lack of a better word) 'things' in this world that humans have adopted as instinct. these are things I expect humans to carry on after the downfall. But you are right, to bring change you must be change. And it is hard, for most people to accept something so dramatic as to what many of us would call change...or freedom.

So why not try to band together? we all have one thing in common,
disclosure.
i might be getting off topic, thats okay, tonight i had some drinks with my partner in crime, so tomorrow when i come to, i will respond with my brain riding shotgun, like normal!
but thanks iwanci, i see more good talks in our future, cheers and g'night :cheers:

and a dancy banana for good measure! :dancing:

Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:22 pm » by **Svaha**

Energy flows where attention goes.

This works always and we (humans) are experts in this.

To get rid of this system of oppression we only have to turn our back to the system, ignore it.
It's the biggest punishment you can give to a child, but also to adults / systems.
Only give attention to the things / people / experiences you like and bless them.

We are living in a time of transformation where the old system of agression / oppression is still in 'command', but ask yourself are they realy in 'command'?
I say 'no', it only seems that way.
Start to turn your back by getting rid of all the power tools they have, the spine of it is the 'money system'.
For instance, like Max Keyser suggested, buy silver, real silver, that way you will crush the virtual silver system, crush the virtal money system.
Turn your back to the banks as much as you can, to credit cards and so on, this will crush the virtual money systems.
Start local trade, local food growing, local communities, this will crush the virtual food systems.

Most important, divert your attention from the things you don't want to the things you want, you as a person, follow only your own deepest desires, this will crush any system.
Life is about change, no static system like we (have / had) can deal with that, we can if we follow in stead of controll.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:53 pm » by **Josepobre**

epicfailure wrote:
josepobre wrote:I've always been for folks actually doing something ....... but you should also look at things more perspectively.
Corporations are, more or less, a mirror image of society. They only exist as long as the majority of society supports them. They only feed the indulgences, the excesses, the demands of the people.
They are then, voted into conglamorate status and power by dollars from the people.
So, it is the people, the majority you need to convince to take action, and folks have been working at that for a long time. Unfortunately, not many seem to be listening.

You know, it's like installing "green" lightbulbs in a 3,000 sq ft home (for a family of only 3 or 4),
is the equivalent to a 390lb person ordering a DIET coke to go with their "super sized" Big Mac.
People will give up their entire eco system before they cut their driving habits back, or support electric vehicles.
If oxygen could be easily converted to electricity, the last man on earth would burn up the last molecules of oxygen to fire up his pc to download porn.

I have seen this avatar before, and it was on a cowboy whom never returned here.....

interesting choice in photo I must say.

(this one is for you Hesop!)

Dang, and I thought I could just silently slip back in unnoticed.
Yeah, I guess I'm back. Not many to talk to out here in the sticks. Thanks.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:12 pm » by **Lemsip**

why dont we hack into prison computers and release all the serial killers then they can be our hitmen
Oh and whitenight just what exactly are you gonna be doing?

Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:03 pm » by **Twistedrealm**

I like this,I am in Toronto area as well.I feel the changes are coming!I'm not down with being a slave for the elite anymore,I can barely support my daughter now and I don't trust the air or the rain anymore.I tell her to avoid playing in rain now!Change is needed or we are done.Generations of slaves,including your families.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:18 pm » by **Otomon**

twistedrealm wrote:I like this,I am in Toronto area as well.I feel the changes are coming!I'm not down with being a slave for the elite anymore,I can barely support my daughter now and I don't trust the air or the rain anymore.I tell her to avoid playing in rain now!Change is needed or we are done.Generations of slaves,including your families.

Send me a PM with your information.... oh and please don`t turn out like the other people I met before who shot themselves rather than face the Truth. If you are a coward do not even bother with the PM.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:52 pm » by **Jasonjaxxson**

Yes we need to start our work , and yes it is getting late. Your ideas are on the money . All I wish to add is that we will NEVER fully be able to carry out our dream to the end without the help of the Lord. He is the highest " White Hat " there is.

So lets not forget to ask our Father to walk with us and give us strong faith as we set out on this mission to reclaim what was taken away from us .

May The Lord and the Holy Spirit be with us all.