Are we pawns in the chess game of life. Are we of free will?

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PostSun May 17, 2009 11:10 pm » by Dmtshaman


:look: There are unseen forces influencing us all, including myself. Free will is nothing more than a illusion, something that isnt what it seems to be. Yes we can pick our clothes and choose our favorite food and music...but these are such small details in our life that they have very little to do with our ultimate destiny. We've all heard the statment that people are asleep and that they must awaken from the dream, but do we apply this to our everyday life and everyday situations or do we go with the flow of emotions and let things and situations get the best of us? Are we conscious or unconscious? When im out in the public and look around all I see are unconsious people living there own self centered life...very rare do I find a ray of light in the sea of darkness. I can see the mechanical forces at work over people controlling them and their decisions. We all can go on adventure in our dreams, but it is almost always a unconscious adventure...there is no difference in this world adventure unless one can awaken and become a conscious creature, what does this mean? To be conscious is to think before speaking or reacting, to play out potential outcomes and CHOOSE the best that will give you a desired outcome. All confrontations and problems in your life can be fixed with conscious thinking...
We live in a paradigm of freedom and law...which is is a contradiction in itself...you cant have freedom with law and vice versa. In order for this world to change we cannot fix our system but we must change our paradigm...to novelty and habit. Novelty has to do with states of connectiveness or conscioussness, while habit is entropy or unconscioussness. In other words we have good days and bad days. Our free will can not change this, we all get problem after problem thrown at us in life no matter how good one is, we all will suffer here until we choose not to. How we handle these problem will determine our fate in the future, what you are doing here and now will directly effect your future...we must enjoy the felt presence of immediate experience and stop living in the past or future which are nothing more than memories and thoughts...
So back to the original question...are we of free will? Slaves can not be free even if the prison is invisible...we are all slaves to a higher order, until these higher orders cease to have power over us then we can not be free...so are you conscious?
...If the words "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isnt worth the Hemp its written on...

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PostSun May 17, 2009 11:26 pm » by end0fall


about as free as people trapped on 1 huge gigantic ball together with people who want to rape us of anything they can get their grubby little hands on

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PostSun May 17, 2009 11:38 pm » by Spliffffstar


dmtshaman wrote::look:
So back to the original question...are we of free will? Slaves can not be free even if the prison is invisible...we are all slaves to a higher order, until these higher orders cease to have power over us then we can not be free...so are you conscious?


I always console myself with the thought that these higher orders are just as bound by their bullshit as we are. Just look at the picture slushpup posted. Without us these people can't be king, and without them we can't be safe from ourselves.

So, what to do, what to do.....

There are just too many people on this planet to keep an eye on the higher order. Most will just not see it.

And even if we manage to destroy these orders and create a free society, who's to say that in a 100 years time, it won't be Illuminati all over again.

We just can't fight against human nature. There will always be people who see an opportunity to screw someone over for their own benefit.

Hell, we're just waiting for an opportunity to screw the Illuminati over.

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PostTue May 19, 2009 3:50 am » by Clawspiracy


Freedom is an illusion, but it is also an illusion that we are not free. We have to choose.

If you can feed yourself from the land, and you can make your own everything, I suppose you could call yourself free. But if in your mind you are stressing about feeding and clothing yourself on your own... you are not free.

So it all comes down to balance. Time is so short. Live and find things that make you happy and pursue them while giving the most that you can. You will then experience a freedom that money cannot buy.
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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:05 am » by Lowsix


As there is general agreement that there are far more than three dimensions..the logical conclusion of which is that, when viewed from any other dimension than the Third..time is no longer linear and can be viewed (even if not from our perspective) as a single occuring event, or gestalt..

THEREFORE..

there is no free will.
Only the illusion of it.
While this sounds like a terrible and constricting ideal...consider the following.

This means..that no matter what you do or how hard you try (or dont try)

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A MISTAKE.

One cannot change the path already determined and contained in the Full collection of past present and future moments gathered into a ball in the fourth dimension.

The joy is that we retain the illusion of free will..which is as good as having it.

The Boon, is that we cannot by our singular action, interrupt the predetermined path of destiny..as it has already occured, and is already determined.

What you do, for good or evil, for learning or ignorance, has already occured, and you are powerless to change that..(although you may feel you can)

Every single event is held firmly in place by the collective and LITERAL combined weight of every single item and event in the entire universe, running together like a finely tuned cogwheel, and the wheels are held in place like the capstone of a cathedral by the weight of everything above, and pushing back of everything below, and to the right and left..., and cannot be moved, influenced or changed...ever..


Tink about that for a moment, and the freedom that the concept provides. More freedom, and more forgiveness in fact than all the worlds religions combined. It is in fact the REAL basis of the frogiveness found in the concept of GRACE..

You cannot make a mistake...ever.
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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:31 am » by Strider


I think that we are free if we choose to be - but just what "free" means is another story. It's a function of your environment if you get killed or imprisoned for trying it. What's probably the real issue is: what does "free" mean to you?

But remember being free may mean sacrifices, like giving up your credit card or going off the grid or growing your own food - no riches there materially, but spiritually? ...

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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:36 am » by Eaganthorn


Is we really free?
That all depends on what your definition of is, is.-William Clinton
I knew a girl in San Antonio that was relatively inexpensive, but hardly free!-Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick
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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:39 am » by Headsinthesand


well the question of freedom will always be an argumentative one, there are definitions of freedom and perceptions of freedom that differ from one person to another, personally i see the definition of freedom as the freedom of choice, but there is a conundrum there, if you are given the choice between an apple and orange where does the mango come into play, we will never truly be free because we will never be provided with or be able to access all possible choices. we will always have a higher power telling us that this choice is bad and this choice is good therefor limiting our choices. the only way we will ever be free is to not back down and do it, if we live life fearing the consequences we will forever be trapped, if you go out into your life letting others opinions of your thoughts and your way of life affect your choices, be it your choice in clothes, career, lifestyle or even of your choice to turn left when they say right, you are again trapped, if you do it because you either want to or just know it is the right choice in your own heart and find peace in yourself and your own actions always know that they can only control the perception of freedom, never the true definition. not sure if any of that will make sense but f :censored: k it, free speech is great aint it.

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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:55 am » by Lowsix


free will is an illusion.

No matter what you decide..it has already been decided, and you are only acting out the actions predetermined by events in the fourth dimension and beynd..
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PostTue May 19, 2009 4:58 am » by Headsinthesand


just a thought six, if every choice has already been made whats the point in choosing.


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