arm yourself all you want but remember we have tanks...

[Icarus1 Profile]

Dorner case shows folly of arming oneself to combat government

Some guardians of the 2nd Amendment cite the need to be prepared to fight off 'tyranny,' but it is a baseless rationale.


By George Skelton Capitol Journal

February 13, 2013, 6:08 p.m.

SACRAMENTO — The nutty notion that a citizen can be heavily enough armed to fight off the government went up in smoke near Big Bear Lake.

This may sound crazy to most normal people, but there are some obsessed gun owners — although a minority, surely — who believe they need to arm themselves to perhaps combat government oppression.

One reader wrote recently that he supported gun control "as long as I'm armed as well as the police," whom he didn't trust and felt he needed to be prepared to battle in a shootout.

I get those emails all the time.

In one recent column, I reprinted some words from a guy who wrote several years ago: "Guns are not for hunting. When will you people figure that out? Guns are for hunting down politicians when they steal your rights away through tyranny. Hello!…

"You can't protect your freedom when the government has more guns than the people."

To which Jeffrey replied: "While the tone of the message you received … may have given you pause, his words themselves should not have.... The [purpose of the] 2nd Amendment is to enable 'the people' … to protect themselves against government tyranny."

From John, referring to the 2nd Amendment: "We have that right, primarily, so we can defend ourselves against the tyranny of government. The Constitution didn't provide for gun ownership so we could shoot turkeys at Thanksgiving.

"I used to think of 2nd Amendment people as 'gun nuts.' Now I believe they are right. The more the executive branch continues to legislate and usurp the powers of Congress, the more I understand the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment."

Then there are the right-wing racists, like Pam:

"When that redistributionist Marxist [deleted] Obama decides to take away decent people's homes and businesses and give them to the black criminal gangbangers, the garbage illegal aliens [deleted] and the rest of the low information welfare/food stamp crowd who voted for him, we who have our guns can meet them at the door, loaded and ready."

And there are many like Bryan, who asked: "What if the German Jews had been well armed" against Hitler?

My answer: They would have been slaughtered by the Nazi Panzer divisions.

The French and Poles were well armed. How'd that work out?

But, insisted Tom, "throughout world history, superior armies with superior fire power have been defeated by well-motivated forces with little more than small arms."

OK, enough. Suffice that too many people think that private citizens should be sufficiently armed to take on not only the local police, but the Army, the Navy, the Marines and even the Air Force.

They hang onto the words in the 2nd Amendment about the people's right to bear arms "being necessary to the security of a free state," but ignore the part about the militia being "well regulated."

I'm certainly no constitutional lawyer, but it should be obvious to everyone by now that the right to bear arms can be "infringed." We're not allowed to bear bazookas. Or machine guns. No automatic rifles. What's mainly at issue these days are semi-automatics — so-called assault weapons — and mega-magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

As of this writing, it's not clear what suspected killer Christopher Dorner had in his arsenal. But it was enough to hold off law enforcement in Tuesday's shootout until someone upped the firepower, literally, by lobbying incendiary tear gas into the cabin where the axed cop apparently was making a last stand against the government.

The government virtually always wins.

Copyright © 2013, Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 847.column

[Cosmine Profile]

They did it whit out firering a single shot...








The ptb's only power IS mind control...

Stand up like human beings...and see that soldiers won't fire at theirs...Mothers,fathers.brothers and sisters neither that at their neighbors and friends......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... You's just have to snap out of it FCK !

[mykingdomforthetruth Profile]

when it comes to it the whole country has to stand together so the soldiers know they are pointing their weapons at mothers daughters sons and dads of the very people they swore to protect .. it has to be a unified effort a few malitia getting killed in the woods by police and talking about it on the net is not gonna do it you gotta get your ar lock and load it and join 10,000 other ar weilding americans at your local government office demanding these laws be scrapped or there's gonna be hell to pay ... the police will not try to disarm that many americans this feeling has to resolute all over the united states and it has to do it in 1 day for a succesfull revolution otherwise you will be handing over your weapons or getting killed in your own home resisting

[The57ironman Profile]

Dorner case shows folly of arming oneself to combat government

Some guardians of the 2nd Amendment cite the need to be prepared to fight off 'tyranny,' but it is a baseless rationale.

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...where do you come from..?....the unarmed socialist republic of great britain..?




...you dont know the half of it..


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[Icarus1 Profile]

i come from northern ireland man , we have more guns here than people ( most of which were supplied by the yanks during the late 80s and 90s ) , and its you sir that dosent know the half of it

[Iwanci Profile]

What planet do some people live on?

A revolution over gun ownership?? really??? good luck with that... most people are in favor of tighter gun laws so.... if you do infact have the backing of the whole country ...."the whole country has to stand together..." then your problem is a non issue as you could simply make the policticians pass laws to protect these so called rights.. but the weakness in many of these arguments is that you fail to see that MOST people are in fact in favor of tightening gun laws... so... what's your point vanessa?


There is merit in your argument Icarus...

The only power that can ever defeat a government is the power of the peoples minds.. no guns are required... Trust me, your government does NOT fear its citizens carrying guns, it does however fear its people living in fear from their neighbors, failure to act is an act of failure.

Some of the greatest civil actions and revolutions have occured without firing a singe shot... the only difference is that the cause needs to be worthy enough for the majority of people to risk their livelihoods and come together in protest.. the issue for the US is that this gun debate (whist affecting many people) is not worthy enough to muster the support from the majority of the people..

Why not have a referendum? Answer = becuase you will quickly see how much of a minority the gun lobby is... heaps of members, but a minority nonetheless.

What we are seeing in the US is history in the making... as with all change, some will always feal aggreived, especially when it affects them the most.

[Jeckk Profile]

1) Assault rifles, or guns in general are not meant to be able to completely dominate the military if it does turn against the people, but having assault rifles will still give you better results than sticks and stones.

2) The very act of having a means of defending yourself, puts the government into a position where they CANNOT put out tyrannical laws. It's the same game we play by stockpiling enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet 80x over. It's a game of chess.

3) Numbers are what count in war, especially modern war. 4 morons with even a basic understanding of how gasoline and fire work together, can take out a tank.

4) The military doesn't stand a fucking chance in hell against American gun owners. They would be wiped out within days/weeks, and every American base would be occupied.

5) Most soldiers would turn against the military in the event of an order telling them to kill Americans.

The only real concern is biological warfare. The concern is the people at the top who have the option to say "Fuck, we lost...let's just blow them all up so nobody wins".

[Iwanci Profile]

Jeck.. if you truly belive that about your country, it may be time to leave for greener pastures...

You should live in a country where you dont have to worry about your government, because your government is there to serve you.

[Flipper Profile]

Still some sheep who live in a dreamland. Forgot about history of not too long ago.

Jeckk I agree with 90% of what you said.

The Dorner case was one person being out numbered in a time of peace. If it was a revolution it would have been a lot more evenly matched.

[mykingdomforthetruth Profile]

If it is indeed true that the cnn polls are correct and the majority of the country are in favour of gun control 'your all fucked'