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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:13 am » by Theclarificator
I announced that I will not comment more on this thread:
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/jesus-is-not-god-but-the-truly-son-of-god-t66713-200.html
after explain the long list of Bible verses that truthdefender posted on Page 7.
Apparently, truthdefender copy/paste them from this website:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/christ_is_god.htm
If he/she posted it for making controversy, just for fun, or without revising them, it really doesn't matter.
I was not obliged to explain them, but I did for the benefit of those who are seeking the truth, if any.
This post was intended to be the last one on that Thread.
But suddenly it was locked.
So, as promised for truthdefender and others, here are the explanations...
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/jesus-is-not-god-but-the-truly-son-of-god-t66713-200.html
after explain the long list of Bible verses that truthdefender posted on Page 7.
Apparently, truthdefender copy/paste them from this website:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/christ_is_god.htm
If he/she posted it for making controversy, just for fun, or without revising them, it really doesn't matter.
I was not obliged to explain them, but I did for the benefit of those who are seeking the truth, if any.
This post was intended to be the last one on that Thread.
But suddenly it was locked.
So, as promised for truthdefender and others, here are the explanations...
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:20 am » by Theclarificator
John 20
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Thomas expression is the equivalent as today: Oh my God!
It is just a verbal expression (common in those days) when something surprise you.
It's not coming from the mouth of Jesus, neither.
Here you will find that every book of the NT has a reference to Jesus' deity. You may not believe it, but you cannot argue with the plain written Word.
CHRIST IS GOD! WHO SAYS SO:All Scriptures are quoted from the precious King James Bible
I will explain, each of one of these verses, if I found the time, but no one of these verses you will see by the mouth of Jesus that he is God.
It is always either a bad interpration or either a person who said that, or even a third person that wrote that, or worse: a very bad editor's miss.
If you follow Christ you may follow what he said, not what the man said about Jesus. If you read Jesus words, you will notice he even pray to his Father.
God can't worship himself!
The wise men say so, by coming to WORSHIP the Christ child (Matthew 2:2,11). Isaiah 42:8 clearly states that God will not share His glory nor praises with another.
I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God. The wise men, are people that have the half true of the story. They believed in magic and astrology and magic are condemened by God. But this is an example of mercy, that even if you are out of the presence of God, if you follow the signs you can reach his Son. These same chance is for everyone. Wise men worship Jesus because they worship everything, a stone, a star, an animal, they have so many idols, that are precisely why they were sinners. As a matter of fact, if those wise men, really understand the fully true of Christ, would never go back to their countries. But they went back.
About Isaiah Idols: , thats true, you can't give the glory of God to idols.This text neither prove Jesus is God. It is OFFTOPIC
Gabriel the Archangel says so in Matthew 1:23, calling Jesus "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
If you read carefully you will notice the real sense is that God is at our side now, because Jesus is going to manifest in the flesh what is hidden since the creation of the world. As Jesus was a pure emanation from God and the only fleshy visible image of God, then there is no wrong to either say God is with us. There is no contradiction here, just in the false wise minds.
Mary, Jesus' mother, says so in Luke 1:47... "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
God have a thousand of adjectives in the Bible: Saviour, Lord, Saint, The Father, etc
But the true Saviour is Jesus, because he is the one that by his sacrifice, give us the ability to trascend our bad DNA and upgrade our broken spiritual status.
If you have problem to know when a verse of the Bible is talking about God or Jesus, you need to read the full chapter several times, or put the name of Jesus instead of God and look if make sense. And take in consideration it could be a wrong traslation also, it could be: In God and My Saviour. Either way is just an human voice that said that, not Jesus himself.
A leper says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 8:2. Only God is to be worshipped (Exodus 20:4,5).
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
"Lord" is a common word used in those times.
Either way is just an human voice that said that, not Jesus himself.
Only God is to be worshipped, that's true.
If this leeper would say: Oh Jesus, You are the God, please clean me!
Jesus would answer: I'm not God, but be clean.
But to complicate the thing: Jesus is the Lord as stated by the Father.
And sometimes Lord is used as a name of God.
The difference is when this word is used as an adjective or a title.
Yes. Jesus is the Lord.
Human Lords are mean to be praised instead of worship.
Divine Lords are mean to be worshipped.
We can actually know the leeper meaning of Lord, because Jesus didn't rejected his words.
Jesus Himself claimed so, in Matthew 9:2, when He forgave a man's sins, "Son...thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:7 plainly states that ONLY God can forgive sin.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
Among all powerful things the Father had share with his Son, was the ability to forgive sins. Jesus can forgive sins.
Pharisees of his time, were offended because they understand only God can forgive sins, so they think Jesus was or either joking with them or blaspheming God.
Pharisees don't know this fact until Jesus show this power:
The Son of God have power to forgive the sins.
They didn't anticipated this because they didn't understand really the purpose of the Messiah.
They wrong believe the Messiah would be a political move more than spiritual.
But God's plan was to clean the man from its dirty SIN.
So by a simple logic, this Messiah must had to has the power to forgive sins!
When resurrected Jesus also gave this gift to some of his apostles!
But as soon as they died this gift of forgive the sins, cant be accesed by another human being.
A certain ruler says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 9:18.
The Apostles say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 14:33.
A Canaanite woman says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 15:25.
A mother and her sons say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 20:20.
The disciples say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 28:9.
The Apostles say so, by worshipping Jesus in Luke 24:52.
A man afflicted by a demon says so, by worshipping Jesus in Mark 5:6.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
Already explained before. Lord not always means God.
John the Baptist says so, in John 1:15, by stating "He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me." John said that Jesus came BEFORE him; but Luke 1:24-27 tell us that Jesus was born several months AFTER John. John was clearly referring to Jesus as God incarnate.
Also you can instantly excluded those verses saying Jesus was before the world, because this is a truth, The Word was created by God before the world, even the angels. So the fact that the Word (Jesus before the flesh) was created before don't means Jesus was God, but the first spiritual being created after God, as a pure emanation from God, The Word knows the Father and have the gifts of the Father, in higher level than any other spiritual being like angels. Then Jesus Is the only creature of God that can really say I'm One with my Father
John says so, in John
1:1... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
1:3 that Jesus is the Divine Creator of all things. See Colossians 1:16; 2nd Peter 3:5. Genesis 1:1 plainly states that GOD created the universe and all things in it.
1:10... "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."
3:16, by calling Jesus God's "only begotten Son." To be God's literal Son makes Jesus deity.
8:24, "...for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." The pronoun "he" is in italics in the King James Bible, meaning it was added by the translators for clarity, and isn't in the Greek. Thus, it literally says, "...for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins." See Exodus 3:14.
8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." This is the I AM of Exodus 3:14. The people understood what Jesus was claiming, because they tried to kill him in John 8:59.
10:30, "I and my Father are one."
10:33, "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
14:1, by asking those who believe in God to also believe on Him.
14:1, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." Clearly, Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. See Philippians 2:6 (King James Bible).
These texts doesn't prove Jesus is God.
I will explain all John verses at once.
*1:1* The Word of God, was the name of Jesus before he incarnated in the Flesh by the power of God. This is true: The Word became flesh!
The book of John were among one of the most redacted books of the Bible, and have indications of being either misinterpreted or retouched. Even within the catholic church is a controversy, if he ever wrote that Book.
You notice that by the previous and the next sentence of the phrase, that it looks like John write 3 times the same sentence:
In the beginning the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning
"The Word was in God", is the most apropiate sense for the second sentence, because it is obvious the writer is explaining The Word was is the presence of God, in his throne at the beginning of creation.
The Word was the first creation of God, as emanation of himself, not meaning he created another God. God is the one and Only.
And in the Book of Enoch (that talk a lot of Jesus) you found God hid The Word until it was need.
*1:3:10* It is true the world was made BECAUSE of Jesus, because the world will need Jesus at some point of their history. Also is true that the world was created BY Jesus.
He were there when God made the creation, so its imposible that Jesus would not participate into the creation, if is by him that creation will be enhanced amd elevated again! Can you imagine Jesus not participating? This verse is saying that: The Word is co-creator with God. So yes, Jesus participate in the creation, at what level we don't know. Being a co-creator didn't means you are God.
Either way is just an human voice that said that, (John, or the writer) not Jesus himself.
*3:16* For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I don't know where you find in this text Jesus was God.
This is truly one of the most beautiful text of the Bible.
Sons of God are a naming convention used in the Bible to name angels.
But Jesus is more than the highest angel, but the second at the Throne of God.
As a matter of fact is predicted that we will become the sons of God too!
So that means the Heaven will have thousands of Gods?
No, it means what it means.
*8:24*
This is a good one.
But always by seeing what Jesus said, you will find the answer:
"We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Notice the answer of Jesus in bold.
He is trying to explain those guys that he never said he was God, but the son of God, but by that time saying I'm the son of god was equal to say I'm God, thus the confusion.
But there is no reason for Jesus to said -You accuse me of blasphemy because I said: I am God's Son?- if He was God, because he can't blasphem himself as God.
So again with his own words, Jesus is trying to explain: Hey stupids, I'm a the real Son of God, you don't have to worship me but believe in my words because my Father, The only and unique God has sent me to you, bastards!
*8:58* Explained before.
*10:30* "I and am my Father are one."
Any angel in the throne of God can also said that, also Adan before fall can said that, but Only Jesus can said that truly, because as an emanation of God, he possess plenty of his power. So Jesus is not God but have the real image of his Father.
Then you understand he is one with him, so close to the Father like any other creature visible or invisible.
*10:33* Explained above.
14:1* Trust in God, trust in me.
So clear. Jesus didn't said: Trust in me that I'm God.
Yes you have to trust both.
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Thomas expression is the equivalent as today: Oh my God!
It is just a verbal expression (common in those days) when something surprise you.
It's not coming from the mouth of Jesus, neither.
Here you will find that every book of the NT has a reference to Jesus' deity. You may not believe it, but you cannot argue with the plain written Word.
CHRIST IS GOD! WHO SAYS SO:All Scriptures are quoted from the precious King James Bible
I will explain, each of one of these verses, if I found the time, but no one of these verses you will see by the mouth of Jesus that he is God.
It is always either a bad interpration or either a person who said that, or even a third person that wrote that, or worse: a very bad editor's miss.
If you follow Christ you may follow what he said, not what the man said about Jesus. If you read Jesus words, you will notice he even pray to his Father.
God can't worship himself!
The wise men say so, by coming to WORSHIP the Christ child (Matthew 2:2,11). Isaiah 42:8 clearly states that God will not share His glory nor praises with another.
I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God. The wise men, are people that have the half true of the story. They believed in magic and astrology and magic are condemened by God. But this is an example of mercy, that even if you are out of the presence of God, if you follow the signs you can reach his Son. These same chance is for everyone. Wise men worship Jesus because they worship everything, a stone, a star, an animal, they have so many idols, that are precisely why they were sinners. As a matter of fact, if those wise men, really understand the fully true of Christ, would never go back to their countries. But they went back.
About Isaiah Idols: , thats true, you can't give the glory of God to idols.This text neither prove Jesus is God. It is OFFTOPIC
Gabriel the Archangel says so in Matthew 1:23, calling Jesus "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
If you read carefully you will notice the real sense is that God is at our side now, because Jesus is going to manifest in the flesh what is hidden since the creation of the world. As Jesus was a pure emanation from God and the only fleshy visible image of God, then there is no wrong to either say God is with us. There is no contradiction here, just in the false wise minds.
Mary, Jesus' mother, says so in Luke 1:47... "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
God have a thousand of adjectives in the Bible: Saviour, Lord, Saint, The Father, etc
But the true Saviour is Jesus, because he is the one that by his sacrifice, give us the ability to trascend our bad DNA and upgrade our broken spiritual status.
If you have problem to know when a verse of the Bible is talking about God or Jesus, you need to read the full chapter several times, or put the name of Jesus instead of God and look if make sense. And take in consideration it could be a wrong traslation also, it could be: In God and My Saviour. Either way is just an human voice that said that, not Jesus himself.
A leper says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 8:2. Only God is to be worshipped (Exodus 20:4,5).
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
"Lord" is a common word used in those times.
Either way is just an human voice that said that, not Jesus himself.
Only God is to be worshipped, that's true.
If this leeper would say: Oh Jesus, You are the God, please clean me!
Jesus would answer: I'm not God, but be clean.
But to complicate the thing: Jesus is the Lord as stated by the Father.
And sometimes Lord is used as a name of God.
The difference is when this word is used as an adjective or a title.
Yes. Jesus is the Lord.
Human Lords are mean to be praised instead of worship.
Divine Lords are mean to be worshipped.
We can actually know the leeper meaning of Lord, because Jesus didn't rejected his words.
Jesus Himself claimed so, in Matthew 9:2, when He forgave a man's sins, "Son...thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:7 plainly states that ONLY God can forgive sin.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
Among all powerful things the Father had share with his Son, was the ability to forgive sins. Jesus can forgive sins.
Pharisees of his time, were offended because they understand only God can forgive sins, so they think Jesus was or either joking with them or blaspheming God.
Pharisees don't know this fact until Jesus show this power:
The Son of God have power to forgive the sins.
They didn't anticipated this because they didn't understand really the purpose of the Messiah.
They wrong believe the Messiah would be a political move more than spiritual.
But God's plan was to clean the man from its dirty SIN.
So by a simple logic, this Messiah must had to has the power to forgive sins!
When resurrected Jesus also gave this gift to some of his apostles!
But as soon as they died this gift of forgive the sins, cant be accesed by another human being.
A certain ruler says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 9:18.
The Apostles say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 14:33.
A Canaanite woman says so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 15:25.
A mother and her sons say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 20:20.
The disciples say so, by worshipping Jesus in Matthew 28:9.
The Apostles say so, by worshipping Jesus in Luke 24:52.
A man afflicted by a demon says so, by worshipping Jesus in Mark 5:6.
This text doesn't prove Jesus is God.
Already explained before. Lord not always means God.
John the Baptist says so, in John 1:15, by stating "He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me." John said that Jesus came BEFORE him; but Luke 1:24-27 tell us that Jesus was born several months AFTER John. John was clearly referring to Jesus as God incarnate.
Also you can instantly excluded those verses saying Jesus was before the world, because this is a truth, The Word was created by God before the world, even the angels. So the fact that the Word (Jesus before the flesh) was created before don't means Jesus was God, but the first spiritual being created after God, as a pure emanation from God, The Word knows the Father and have the gifts of the Father, in higher level than any other spiritual being like angels. Then Jesus Is the only creature of God that can really say I'm One with my Father
John says so, in John
1:1... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
1:3 that Jesus is the Divine Creator of all things. See Colossians 1:16; 2nd Peter 3:5. Genesis 1:1 plainly states that GOD created the universe and all things in it.
1:10... "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."
3:16, by calling Jesus God's "only begotten Son." To be God's literal Son makes Jesus deity.
8:24, "...for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." The pronoun "he" is in italics in the King James Bible, meaning it was added by the translators for clarity, and isn't in the Greek. Thus, it literally says, "...for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins." See Exodus 3:14.
8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." This is the I AM of Exodus 3:14. The people understood what Jesus was claiming, because they tried to kill him in John 8:59.
10:30, "I and my Father are one."
10:33, "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
14:1, by asking those who believe in God to also believe on Him.
14:1, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." Clearly, Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. See Philippians 2:6 (King James Bible).
These texts doesn't prove Jesus is God.
I will explain all John verses at once.
*1:1* The Word of God, was the name of Jesus before he incarnated in the Flesh by the power of God. This is true: The Word became flesh!
The book of John were among one of the most redacted books of the Bible, and have indications of being either misinterpreted or retouched. Even within the catholic church is a controversy, if he ever wrote that Book.
You notice that by the previous and the next sentence of the phrase, that it looks like John write 3 times the same sentence:
In the beginning the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning
"The Word was in God", is the most apropiate sense for the second sentence, because it is obvious the writer is explaining The Word was is the presence of God, in his throne at the beginning of creation.
The Word was the first creation of God, as emanation of himself, not meaning he created another God. God is the one and Only.
And in the Book of Enoch (that talk a lot of Jesus) you found God hid The Word until it was need.
*1:3:10* It is true the world was made BECAUSE of Jesus, because the world will need Jesus at some point of their history. Also is true that the world was created BY Jesus.
He were there when God made the creation, so its imposible that Jesus would not participate into the creation, if is by him that creation will be enhanced amd elevated again! Can you imagine Jesus not participating? This verse is saying that: The Word is co-creator with God. So yes, Jesus participate in the creation, at what level we don't know. Being a co-creator didn't means you are God.
Either way is just an human voice that said that, (John, or the writer) not Jesus himself.
*3:16* For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I don't know where you find in this text Jesus was God.
This is truly one of the most beautiful text of the Bible.
Sons of God are a naming convention used in the Bible to name angels.
But Jesus is more than the highest angel, but the second at the Throne of God.
As a matter of fact is predicted that we will become the sons of God too!
So that means the Heaven will have thousands of Gods?
No, it means what it means.
*8:24*
This is a good one.
But always by seeing what Jesus said, you will find the answer:
"We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Notice the answer of Jesus in bold.
He is trying to explain those guys that he never said he was God, but the son of God, but by that time saying I'm the son of god was equal to say I'm God, thus the confusion.
But there is no reason for Jesus to said -You accuse me of blasphemy because I said: I am God's Son?- if He was God, because he can't blasphem himself as God.
So again with his own words, Jesus is trying to explain: Hey stupids, I'm a the real Son of God, you don't have to worship me but believe in my words because my Father, The only and unique God has sent me to you, bastards!
*8:58* Explained before.
*10:30* "I and am my Father are one."
Any angel in the throne of God can also said that, also Adan before fall can said that, but Only Jesus can said that truly, because as an emanation of God, he possess plenty of his power. So Jesus is not God but have the real image of his Father.
Then you understand he is one with him, so close to the Father like any other creature visible or invisible.
*10:33* Explained above.
14:1* Trust in God, trust in me.
So clear. Jesus didn't said: Trust in me that I'm God.
Yes you have to trust both.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:26 am » by Theclarificator
Paul says so, The Resurrection of Jesus Christ proves His Deity ( Romans 1:1-4)
1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
2the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
4and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord
5Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
6And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes: Paul is saying the truth about Jesus.
Tell me where you find out Paul is saying Jesus is God?
Jesus have the power and is the truly Son of God.
Notice final words of Paul. He didn’t say: God our Father and from God Jesus Christ.
Lord meaning explained before. Next.
Nature says so, giving understanding and clarity to the fact that Jesus Christ is God. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:18-20
Off topic.
There is no reference on this verse of Christ.
Paul is talking about the creation of God.
Lost sinners know so, who knowing the judgment of God..." (Romans 1:18, 24-32). Only Jesus Christ Himself judges sin! (John 5:22). The unsaved realize that someday they will stand before Jesus Christ to be judged.
Explained before.
Jesus has the power to clear the sins.
Also Jesus is made the only Judge among men, that’s the reason of his coming, his Father gave him this unique power to judge all the existing things.
Abraham says so, by believing God. Genesis 15:6 states Abraham believed the LORD! James 2:19 says believing in God is not enough to be saved. John 3:16 says believing in Jesus Christ is enough, so we must conclude that Abraham believed on Jesus Christ as God because he was justified in Romans 4:3 (Rom 4:1-5)
Ha, ha.
Once again, Abraham was right!
You has to believe God and worship God, hello that is of course obvious.
But more: You need to believe Jesus was the Son of God, sent by his Father in the flesh too!
Correction: Abraham believes in both.
Paul says so, by declaring that Jesus Christ is Eternal and Immortal! (Romans 6:9,10).
Paul says so, by declaring that Jesus is risen! (Romans 8:34).
Explained before.
Jesus was the Verb before take flesh.
Jesus was and is eternal forever, as he is spirit in the beginning!
Now what is really remarkable of Jesus is he is Inmortal on the flesh!
And we will be too, if we believe him!
Isaiah says so, by prophesying about the coming Messiah who would die on the cross (Romans 9:25-33. Verse 33 states... "Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed." This is a quote from Isaiah 28:16. Paul said that the "LORD" of Isaiah 10:23 is the same "LORD" that died on the cross (Romans 10:11).
Already explained.
Jesus is Lord.
Lord title for Jesus doesn’t equals to be God.
Paul says so by quoting Psalm 40:17, 14:7, Isaiah 27:9. Jesus Christ as our Deliverer is God. All will confess Jesus as God at the Judgment Seat! (Romans 14:11).
You are wrong.
It said Lord:
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’”
12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Moreover, the second part of the verses is referring to the moment God is in his throne, and open the books. This is the real final judgment, you will find it in Revelations 20, after Jesus judge the flesh, the saint reign with him a thousand years, and then take place the real Last Judgment.
The judgment of Jesus and then the Judgment of God could be a one day after day event.
Why? Because we know for God one day is equal to thousand years, and there is no indication on the verses of Revelation that those 1 thousand years are either in human’s time or God’s time.
So it could be potentially a simultaneous event.
Paul says so! 1st Corinthians 1:10, "...of our Lord Jesus Christ." "Lord" comes from the Greek word "KURIOS," meaning "supreme in authority." Only God can be Supreme in Authority.
Explained before.
The word Lord is not always a synonym of God.
And BTW, it is GOD the Father that gave Jesus the authority always!
If it pleased to the Father to make that, what’s the problem?
So Jesus is the Lord, YES that is why you praise Jesus!
Praise the Lord!
Born again Jews and Greeks say Jesus is God! I Corinthians 1:24, "Christ the power of God."
Paul called Jesus, the wisdom and power of God.
He didn’t say Jesus was God. Neither the Greeks nor the Jews.
Let suppose they called him God, well, either way they are just human voices, not a statement from the mouth of Jesus himself.
Christ comes from Greek Christos meaning "Messiah." Colossians 3:24 refers to the same Messiah as "LORD," meaning "supreme in Authority." Jesus is Almighty God.
Maybe we have different Bibles, because mine said in Colossians 3:24 this:
24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
“Jesus is Almighty God” is your personal or another human conclusion, not written on that verse neither.
The brethren say Jesus is God! 1st Corinthians 9:5, "Brethren of the Lord." "LORD" comes from Greek "KURIOS" meaning" Supreme in Authority."
Paul says so, by referring to Jesus Christ as Lord! We know this verse speaks of Jesus because John 5:22 says only Jesus will judge sin (also, see 1st Corinthians 4:4).
Paul says so, by referring to Jesus Christ as Lord! "LORD" meaning "Supreme in Authority" (1st Corinthians 5:4).
Paul says so, by declaring Jesus Christ as the Creator of all things! (1st Corinthians 8:6; also see John 1:1-4)
Paul says so, by declaring Jesus Christ has risen and spoken to him! (1st Corinthians 11:24-26).
Paul says so, by claiming Christ has risen! (1st Corinthians 15:4). See Job 19:25.
Paul in verse 26 expects the LORD Jesus Christ to return again! He speaks of Jesus as the Eternal One.
Paul says so, by calling Jesus "LORD," meaning "Supreme in Authority "(1st Corinthians 11:32; John 5:22)
Paul says so, (1st Corinthians 12:18) by claiming God as the Creator. John 1:3 teaches us that Jesus Christ made all things. Also see Colossians 1:14.
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Eternal Judge (2nd Corinthians 5:10). Also see John 5:22, Judges 11:27, Romans 1:32.
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the light (2nd Corinthians 4:6). Psalm 27:1; John 3:19-21; John 12:36
Paul say so, by claiming Jesus Christ has risen, (2nd Corinthians 5:15 ) Job 19:25; Romans 6:11
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus was once rich in Heaven, but became poor that we might be made rich. Paul claims Jesus Christ is Eternal (2nd Corinthians 8:9)
Paul says so, by quoting Psalm 112:9, claiming Jesus as the One who gives grace (2nd Corinthians 9:8,9)
Paul says so, by claiming power of thought Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 10:4 & Philippians 4:13)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the LORD (2nd Corinthians 12:8,9)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ has risen (2nd Corinthians 13:4)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus is God! (Galatians 1:4, "God and our Father")
Paul says so, by claiming to have received his doctrine from the risen Christ Jesus (Galatians 1:12)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as the Justifier (Galatians 3:6; Romans 4:5; John 5:22)
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus Christ lives in him, declaring his resurrection and power (Galatians 2:20)
Paul says so, by claiming that God gave the promises to Abraham (Galatians 3:18; Genesis 18:25: John 5:22). This was Jesus.
Paul says so, claiming Christ has risen by quoting Psalm 68:18 (Ephesians 4:8)
Paul says so, by declaring Christ as a present help for life, because of His Resurrection (Ephesians 5:14)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God! (Ephesians 5:20)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the savior (Ephesians 5:23)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen ( Philippians 1:21). "To live is Christ!"
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as equal with God (Philippians 2:6).
Paul says so, and all people someday will, by confessing with their tongue that Jesus Christ is LORD! (Philippians 2:10,11). Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus is Lord.
Paul says so, by claiming power to do all things through Christ (Philippians 4:13)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus is God! (Philippians 4:20)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God (Colossians 1:3)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Divine Creator (Colossians 1:16). See, Isaiah 44:24
Paul says so, by declaring that God is pleased to give all fulness to the Son (Colossians 1:19)
Paul says so, by claiming all the fulness of the Godhead bodily in Christ (Philippians 2:9)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power (Philippians 2:10)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen and is powerful to make us live also (Colossians 2:13)
Paul says so, by declaring Christ as risen (Colossians 3:1) and is seated on the right hand of the Father (vs. 1).
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as our life (POWER). Only God can give life (Isaiah 44:24; John 14:6; Colossians 3:4).
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God: (Colossians 3:17)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ's return (1st Thessalonians 2:19)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God (1st Thessalonians 3:13)
Paul says so, by claiming the resurrection of Jesus (1st Thessalonians 4:14)
Paul says so, by claiming the return of Jesus Christ (1st Thessalonians 4:16)
Paul says so, by claiming God died for us, and that we will live together with Him! (1st Thessalonians 5:9,10)
Paul says so, by declaring God as judge! (2nd Thessalonians 1:5; Jn 5:22)
Paul says so by claiming the return of Christ (2nd Thessalonians 2:1)
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 1:1)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ as the LORD (Supreme in Authority). This can only mean God (1st Timothy 1:12)
Paul says so, by claiming the King as God (1st Timothy 1:17 ). Jesus is the King according to Matthew 2:2; 5:35
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 2:3; Titus 1:4)
Paul says so, in 1st Timothy 3:16, by sating that "GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH."
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 4:10; Titus 1:4)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ as the only Great Authority (1st Timothy 6:15 ). The word "Potentate" means "Great Authority) "--obviously Paul is referring to Jesus Christ as God.
Paul says so, by claiming life through Christ Jesus (2nd Timothy 1:1 ). Genesis 1:1 teaches that God gives life!
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen (2nd Timothy 2:8)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ is the Judge (2nd Timothy 4:1). See Judges 11:27; Jn 5:22
Paul says so, by claiming God is the Savior (Titus 1:3,4 )
Paul says so, by claiming God is the Savior (Titus 2:10,13; 1:4)
Paul says so, by claiming power through Christ (Philippians 1:8). Obviously he bases this on the fact that Christ has risen.
Hebrews 1:3 says so, by claiming Jesus is the Son of God. In John 14:1, Jesus claimed deity by asking those who believed on God to also believe on Him.
Hebrews 3:4 says so, by claiming God as the Creator. Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3 say Jesus is the Creator.
Hebrews 10:30 says so, by claiming God as the Judge--John 5:22 says this is Jesus.
Hebrews 12:2 says so, by claiming Jesus is alive and seated on the right hand of God the Father.
Peter says so, in 2nd Peter 3:5... "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old." John 1:3 says Jesus created all things. 2nd Peter 3:5 says that God did.
Jesus Himself claimed to be Almighty God in Revelation 1:8... "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
John says so, in Revelation 19:13, "...and his name is called The Word of God." See John 1:1.
Ok, all of these bunch of verses had been already explained:
The meaning of Lord,
Jesus ability to judge and forgive,
Jesus as Co-creator in the beginning,
Jesus as the pure emanation of God, thus the Light
Jesus quality of being eternal among other features.
Paul never said Jesus is God, but refers to him always as LORD.
Assumptions are assumptions.
Of course: Jesus has risen!
Of course: Jesus can give us grace, He himself is the greatest grace ever given to the humankind
Of course: Jesus was in human condition but spiritually gifted almost as the level of God. That is a direct consequence of being the pure emanation from God.
Of Course: Jesus is the Savior of all of our human condition, The Lord and the King, and so on.
Of Course: We must confess that Jesus is the Lord for the glory of WHOM? You get it. God the Father.
Of Course: Jesus needs to return. The purpose of Jesus is to enhance our DNA and Spirit, which Jesus was the first human being fully and goodly resurrected. Because while some people will resurrect as an upgrade, other will resurrect to degrade in flesh and spirit, and the ones still alive will either transformed upgraded or degraded.
Well, it is funny that the writer of this collection of verses always started the sentence with <Paul says so>
Let suppose Paul called Jesus God, well, either way they are just a human voice.
The writer is right: Paul says so, not Jesus.
The HOLY GHOST says so, (1st Corinthians 12:1-3).
It is the HOLY GHOST Himself who gives mankind the knowledge that Jesus is God! He may do this through nature (Romans 1:18-20).
You must buy another Bible!
It said: “that Jesus is Lord”
Paul said this: Only by revelation of the Holy Spirit you can actually know Jesus is the Lord, and the Son of God! There is one Lord Jesus and one God the Father!
The other verse already explained.
Paul says so, by claiming God as the Builder of the Church! (1st Corinthians 12:28). Matthew 16:18 says Jesus is the Builder!
Good.
Jesus will never fight with God for his Church if the Father ever want his Church back.
BTW, where in the verse is saying Jesus is God?
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Christ (2nd Corinthians 1:1). Acts 9:5 --God calls Himself "Jesus.
Your Bible is so freaking weird!
Mine said:
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God.
And
4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
So Paul was an apostle by the will of God, that is true.
Paul called Jesus Lord, that is true.
But don’t be wrong: At that very moment, Paul just called him Lord, in a human sense only.
He is not accepting Jesus like his personal savior by just saying Lord!
This is actually an evidence that on those times the word “Lord” is exhaustibly used among all people.
Paul says so, by claiming that he 's trusting is God for salvation (2nd Corinthians 1:9,10). Isaiah 45:22 clearly states that Jesus Christ is the one who saves. Also John 3:16; Romans 5:8; Acts 4:10-12.
Yes Jesus is the one and only Savior of our flesh and spirit.
As God, the Father, can’t have flesh, no other entity in this world can do what Jesus did.
That what the Father give him the name above all names.
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2nd Corinthians 3:17). Also see John 4:24... "God is a spirit"; John 14:16,47.
Wrong post edition!
It said: the Spirit of the Lord.
Spirit of Jesus sent to the human to be free of sins.
The Spirit of God, it is God himself, because God it is Spirit!
By the power of the Spirit of God, Mary, the virgin, got pregnant.
What she got new was the Spirit of Jesus, wonderfully assembled with a tiny ball of flesh, which we call ovule.
John says so, in 1st John 2:23, "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." You cannot come to God, except through Jesus Christ--because Jesus came as the manifestation of the Godhead, i.e., the Godhead incarnate (2nd Timothy 3:16; Colossians 2:9).
This verse is actually a confirmation that Jesus is the best manifestation of his Father.
It not means Jesus is God.
This verse have the greatest clue for all humanity:
If you accept the Father, you must believe Jesus was His Son incarnated.
The moment you don’t believe this, the moment you are writing in your face:
“I want a degraded resurrection”
“I want all my body and DNA to degrade when Jesus return”
“I want to have a spirit like the fallen angels”
“I want and deserve Hell”
Not a single statement from the mouth of Jesus himself is recorded as him saying I’m God.
If you re-read the New Testament, you will find that hundreds of statements from the mouth of Jesus,
are actually landmarks to know He always referred to two different entities, with different levels of power, but sharing immense gifts, as no other creature could say:
I am the Son of God, the Truly emanation from God, My Father, his truly image in spirit, and incarnated in the flesh, to enhance the flesh condition.
1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
2the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
4and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord
5Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
6And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes: Paul is saying the truth about Jesus.
Tell me where you find out Paul is saying Jesus is God?
Jesus have the power and is the truly Son of God.
Notice final words of Paul. He didn’t say: God our Father and from God Jesus Christ.
Lord meaning explained before. Next.
Nature says so, giving understanding and clarity to the fact that Jesus Christ is God. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:18-20
Off topic.
There is no reference on this verse of Christ.
Paul is talking about the creation of God.
Lost sinners know so, who knowing the judgment of God..." (Romans 1:18, 24-32). Only Jesus Christ Himself judges sin! (John 5:22). The unsaved realize that someday they will stand before Jesus Christ to be judged.
Explained before.
Jesus has the power to clear the sins.
Also Jesus is made the only Judge among men, that’s the reason of his coming, his Father gave him this unique power to judge all the existing things.
Abraham says so, by believing God. Genesis 15:6 states Abraham believed the LORD! James 2:19 says believing in God is not enough to be saved. John 3:16 says believing in Jesus Christ is enough, so we must conclude that Abraham believed on Jesus Christ as God because he was justified in Romans 4:3 (Rom 4:1-5)
Ha, ha.
Once again, Abraham was right!
You has to believe God and worship God, hello that is of course obvious.
But more: You need to believe Jesus was the Son of God, sent by his Father in the flesh too!
Correction: Abraham believes in both.
Paul says so, by declaring that Jesus Christ is Eternal and Immortal! (Romans 6:9,10).
Paul says so, by declaring that Jesus is risen! (Romans 8:34).
Explained before.
Jesus was the Verb before take flesh.
Jesus was and is eternal forever, as he is spirit in the beginning!
Now what is really remarkable of Jesus is he is Inmortal on the flesh!
And we will be too, if we believe him!
Isaiah says so, by prophesying about the coming Messiah who would die on the cross (Romans 9:25-33. Verse 33 states... "Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed." This is a quote from Isaiah 28:16. Paul said that the "LORD" of Isaiah 10:23 is the same "LORD" that died on the cross (Romans 10:11).
Already explained.
Jesus is Lord.
Lord title for Jesus doesn’t equals to be God.
Paul says so by quoting Psalm 40:17, 14:7, Isaiah 27:9. Jesus Christ as our Deliverer is God. All will confess Jesus as God at the Judgment Seat! (Romans 14:11).
You are wrong.
It said Lord:
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’”
12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Moreover, the second part of the verses is referring to the moment God is in his throne, and open the books. This is the real final judgment, you will find it in Revelations 20, after Jesus judge the flesh, the saint reign with him a thousand years, and then take place the real Last Judgment.
The judgment of Jesus and then the Judgment of God could be a one day after day event.
Why? Because we know for God one day is equal to thousand years, and there is no indication on the verses of Revelation that those 1 thousand years are either in human’s time or God’s time.
So it could be potentially a simultaneous event.
Paul says so! 1st Corinthians 1:10, "...of our Lord Jesus Christ." "Lord" comes from the Greek word "KURIOS," meaning "supreme in authority." Only God can be Supreme in Authority.
Explained before.
The word Lord is not always a synonym of God.
And BTW, it is GOD the Father that gave Jesus the authority always!
If it pleased to the Father to make that, what’s the problem?
So Jesus is the Lord, YES that is why you praise Jesus!
Praise the Lord!
Born again Jews and Greeks say Jesus is God! I Corinthians 1:24, "Christ the power of God."
Paul called Jesus, the wisdom and power of God.
He didn’t say Jesus was God. Neither the Greeks nor the Jews.
Let suppose they called him God, well, either way they are just human voices, not a statement from the mouth of Jesus himself.
Christ comes from Greek Christos meaning "Messiah." Colossians 3:24 refers to the same Messiah as "LORD," meaning "supreme in Authority." Jesus is Almighty God.
Maybe we have different Bibles, because mine said in Colossians 3:24 this:
24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
“Jesus is Almighty God” is your personal or another human conclusion, not written on that verse neither.
The brethren say Jesus is God! 1st Corinthians 9:5, "Brethren of the Lord." "LORD" comes from Greek "KURIOS" meaning" Supreme in Authority."
Paul says so, by referring to Jesus Christ as Lord! We know this verse speaks of Jesus because John 5:22 says only Jesus will judge sin (also, see 1st Corinthians 4:4).
Paul says so, by referring to Jesus Christ as Lord! "LORD" meaning "Supreme in Authority" (1st Corinthians 5:4).
Paul says so, by declaring Jesus Christ as the Creator of all things! (1st Corinthians 8:6; also see John 1:1-4)
Paul says so, by declaring Jesus Christ has risen and spoken to him! (1st Corinthians 11:24-26).
Paul says so, by claiming Christ has risen! (1st Corinthians 15:4). See Job 19:25.
Paul in verse 26 expects the LORD Jesus Christ to return again! He speaks of Jesus as the Eternal One.
Paul says so, by calling Jesus "LORD," meaning "Supreme in Authority "(1st Corinthians 11:32; John 5:22)
Paul says so, (1st Corinthians 12:18) by claiming God as the Creator. John 1:3 teaches us that Jesus Christ made all things. Also see Colossians 1:14.
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Eternal Judge (2nd Corinthians 5:10). Also see John 5:22, Judges 11:27, Romans 1:32.
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the light (2nd Corinthians 4:6). Psalm 27:1; John 3:19-21; John 12:36
Paul say so, by claiming Jesus Christ has risen, (2nd Corinthians 5:15 ) Job 19:25; Romans 6:11
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus was once rich in Heaven, but became poor that we might be made rich. Paul claims Jesus Christ is Eternal (2nd Corinthians 8:9)
Paul says so, by quoting Psalm 112:9, claiming Jesus as the One who gives grace (2nd Corinthians 9:8,9)
Paul says so, by claiming power of thought Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 10:4 & Philippians 4:13)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the LORD (2nd Corinthians 12:8,9)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ has risen (2nd Corinthians 13:4)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus is God! (Galatians 1:4, "God and our Father")
Paul says so, by claiming to have received his doctrine from the risen Christ Jesus (Galatians 1:12)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as the Justifier (Galatians 3:6; Romans 4:5; John 5:22)
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus Christ lives in him, declaring his resurrection and power (Galatians 2:20)
Paul says so, by claiming that God gave the promises to Abraham (Galatians 3:18; Genesis 18:25: John 5:22). This was Jesus.
Paul says so, claiming Christ has risen by quoting Psalm 68:18 (Ephesians 4:8)
Paul says so, by declaring Christ as a present help for life, because of His Resurrection (Ephesians 5:14)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God! (Ephesians 5:20)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the savior (Ephesians 5:23)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen ( Philippians 1:21). "To live is Christ!"
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as equal with God (Philippians 2:6).
Paul says so, and all people someday will, by confessing with their tongue that Jesus Christ is LORD! (Philippians 2:10,11). Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus is Lord.
Paul says so, by claiming power to do all things through Christ (Philippians 4:13)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus is God! (Philippians 4:20)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God (Colossians 1:3)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Divine Creator (Colossians 1:16). See, Isaiah 44:24
Paul says so, by declaring that God is pleased to give all fulness to the Son (Colossians 1:19)
Paul says so, by claiming all the fulness of the Godhead bodily in Christ (Philippians 2:9)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power (Philippians 2:10)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen and is powerful to make us live also (Colossians 2:13)
Paul says so, by declaring Christ as risen (Colossians 3:1) and is seated on the right hand of the Father (vs. 1).
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ as our life (POWER). Only God can give life (Isaiah 44:24; John 14:6; Colossians 3:4).
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God: (Colossians 3:17)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ's return (1st Thessalonians 2:19)
Paul says so, by calling Jesus God (1st Thessalonians 3:13)
Paul says so, by claiming the resurrection of Jesus (1st Thessalonians 4:14)
Paul says so, by claiming the return of Jesus Christ (1st Thessalonians 4:16)
Paul says so, by claiming God died for us, and that we will live together with Him! (1st Thessalonians 5:9,10)
Paul says so, by declaring God as judge! (2nd Thessalonians 1:5; Jn 5:22)
Paul says so by claiming the return of Christ (2nd Thessalonians 2:1)
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 1:1)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ as the LORD (Supreme in Authority). This can only mean God (1st Timothy 1:12)
Paul says so, by claiming the King as God (1st Timothy 1:17 ). Jesus is the King according to Matthew 2:2; 5:35
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 2:3; Titus 1:4)
Paul says so, in 1st Timothy 3:16, by sating that "GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH."
Paul says so, by claiming the Savior as God (1st Timothy 4:10; Titus 1:4)
Paul says so, by claiming Christ as the only Great Authority (1st Timothy 6:15 ). The word "Potentate" means "Great Authority) "--obviously Paul is referring to Jesus Christ as God.
Paul says so, by claiming life through Christ Jesus (2nd Timothy 1:1 ). Genesis 1:1 teaches that God gives life!
Paul says so, by claiming Christ is risen (2nd Timothy 2:8)
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus Christ is the Judge (2nd Timothy 4:1). See Judges 11:27; Jn 5:22
Paul says so, by claiming God is the Savior (Titus 1:3,4 )
Paul says so, by claiming God is the Savior (Titus 2:10,13; 1:4)
Paul says so, by claiming power through Christ (Philippians 1:8). Obviously he bases this on the fact that Christ has risen.
Hebrews 1:3 says so, by claiming Jesus is the Son of God. In John 14:1, Jesus claimed deity by asking those who believed on God to also believe on Him.
Hebrews 3:4 says so, by claiming God as the Creator. Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3 say Jesus is the Creator.
Hebrews 10:30 says so, by claiming God as the Judge--John 5:22 says this is Jesus.
Hebrews 12:2 says so, by claiming Jesus is alive and seated on the right hand of God the Father.
Peter says so, in 2nd Peter 3:5... "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old." John 1:3 says Jesus created all things. 2nd Peter 3:5 says that God did.
Jesus Himself claimed to be Almighty God in Revelation 1:8... "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
John says so, in Revelation 19:13, "...and his name is called The Word of God." See John 1:1.
Ok, all of these bunch of verses had been already explained:
The meaning of Lord,
Jesus ability to judge and forgive,
Jesus as Co-creator in the beginning,
Jesus as the pure emanation of God, thus the Light
Jesus quality of being eternal among other features.
Paul never said Jesus is God, but refers to him always as LORD.
Assumptions are assumptions.
Of course: Jesus has risen!
Of course: Jesus can give us grace, He himself is the greatest grace ever given to the humankind
Of course: Jesus was in human condition but spiritually gifted almost as the level of God. That is a direct consequence of being the pure emanation from God.
Of Course: Jesus is the Savior of all of our human condition, The Lord and the King, and so on.
Of Course: We must confess that Jesus is the Lord for the glory of WHOM? You get it. God the Father.
Of Course: Jesus needs to return. The purpose of Jesus is to enhance our DNA and Spirit, which Jesus was the first human being fully and goodly resurrected. Because while some people will resurrect as an upgrade, other will resurrect to degrade in flesh and spirit, and the ones still alive will either transformed upgraded or degraded.
Well, it is funny that the writer of this collection of verses always started the sentence with <Paul says so>
Let suppose Paul called Jesus God, well, either way they are just a human voice.
The writer is right: Paul says so, not Jesus.
The HOLY GHOST says so, (1st Corinthians 12:1-3).
It is the HOLY GHOST Himself who gives mankind the knowledge that Jesus is God! He may do this through nature (Romans 1:18-20).
You must buy another Bible!
It said: “that Jesus is Lord”
Paul said this: Only by revelation of the Holy Spirit you can actually know Jesus is the Lord, and the Son of God! There is one Lord Jesus and one God the Father!
The other verse already explained.
Paul says so, by claiming God as the Builder of the Church! (1st Corinthians 12:28). Matthew 16:18 says Jesus is the Builder!
Good.
Jesus will never fight with God for his Church if the Father ever want his Church back.
BTW, where in the verse is saying Jesus is God?
Paul says so, by claiming Jesus as the Christ (2nd Corinthians 1:1). Acts 9:5 --God calls Himself "Jesus.
Your Bible is so freaking weird!
Mine said:
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God.
And
4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
So Paul was an apostle by the will of God, that is true.
Paul called Jesus Lord, that is true.
But don’t be wrong: At that very moment, Paul just called him Lord, in a human sense only.
He is not accepting Jesus like his personal savior by just saying Lord!
This is actually an evidence that on those times the word “Lord” is exhaustibly used among all people.
Paul says so, by claiming that he 's trusting is God for salvation (2nd Corinthians 1:9,10). Isaiah 45:22 clearly states that Jesus Christ is the one who saves. Also John 3:16; Romans 5:8; Acts 4:10-12.
Yes Jesus is the one and only Savior of our flesh and spirit.
As God, the Father, can’t have flesh, no other entity in this world can do what Jesus did.
That what the Father give him the name above all names.
Paul says so, by claiming that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2nd Corinthians 3:17). Also see John 4:24... "God is a spirit"; John 14:16,47.
Wrong post edition!
It said: the Spirit of the Lord.
Spirit of Jesus sent to the human to be free of sins.
The Spirit of God, it is God himself, because God it is Spirit!
By the power of the Spirit of God, Mary, the virgin, got pregnant.
What she got new was the Spirit of Jesus, wonderfully assembled with a tiny ball of flesh, which we call ovule.
John says so, in 1st John 2:23, "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." You cannot come to God, except through Jesus Christ--because Jesus came as the manifestation of the Godhead, i.e., the Godhead incarnate (2nd Timothy 3:16; Colossians 2:9).
This verse is actually a confirmation that Jesus is the best manifestation of his Father.
It not means Jesus is God.
This verse have the greatest clue for all humanity:
If you accept the Father, you must believe Jesus was His Son incarnated.
The moment you don’t believe this, the moment you are writing in your face:
“I want a degraded resurrection”
“I want all my body and DNA to degrade when Jesus return”
“I want to have a spirit like the fallen angels”
“I want and deserve Hell”
Not a single statement from the mouth of Jesus himself is recorded as him saying I’m God.
If you re-read the New Testament, you will find that hundreds of statements from the mouth of Jesus,
are actually landmarks to know He always referred to two different entities, with different levels of power, but sharing immense gifts, as no other creature could say:
I am the Son of God, the Truly emanation from God, My Father, his truly image in spirit, and incarnated in the flesh, to enhance the flesh condition.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:28 am » by Domdabears
My god. If anyone reads all that, I swear they gotta have the dullest personality in the world.
You guys are into some boring ass shit.
You guys are into some boring ass shit.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:56 am » by Theclarificator
gonzo63 wrote:Fuck, man! Do you even have a job? Who the fuck has this much free time?
Actually I wrote the explanations in less than an hour.
In my free time.
When you have the truth in your hands, you will never waste precious time!
But I will never do a thing like this in a forum!
No one cares!
Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:01 am » by Evildweeb
....and god so loved the world that he condemned all you f$%&ers to eternal damnation for eternity.
...but he LOVES you...............
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...but he LOVES you...............
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:05 am » by Synonymous
Out of curiosity with your DNA talk, and seemingly masterful knowledge of translation and mystification, it seems you took a lot of time to put a personal spin on things that just don't seem that complicated. Maybe I am biased, but.....what version of the thousands of bibles do you use sir?
