Asteroid Vesta Shape Shifting Skills

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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 2:33 am » by Frutty


NEW SPIN ON VESTA (THE TITLE SAYS IT ALL)

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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:00 am » by Iamcare


Not a chance that can be round and oblong simultaneously


Er, wtf? thats absoloutly ridiculous, not every object in the universe is geometrically symmetrical.

Objects rotate and spin on their axis in space, As Vesta is an asteroid it has little to no gravitational force of its own so theres absoloutly no reason for it to rotate on its axis in a uniformal pattern and because this asteroid has been hit probably innumerable times none of the faces will be symetrical. What you're seeing is different craft with different approaches taking different photos of different angles of the same object.

for example, here is Saturns moon Prometheus

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And here is the same moon shot from a different angle.

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In one it looks rounded, in another it looks oblong shaped. I mean I'm open to the idea that this may not be your run of the mill asteroid, nasa seem very interested in it and as usual Hoagland had some interesting speculations. But as for a shapeshifting asteroid, I'm afraid every anomoly you've pointed out so far can be pretty much put down to that fact that its a huge asteroid in constant collision being shot in different stages of rotation.

Feel free to correct me if you think I've missed the point, but I just cant see any tangible evidence for it
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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:05 am » by Frutty


iamcare wrote:
Not a chance that can be round and oblong simultaneously


Er, wtf? thats absoloutly ridiculous, not every object in the universe is geometrically symmetrical.

Objects rotate and spin on their axis in space, As Vesta is an asteroid it has little to no gravitational force of its own so theres absoloutly no reason for it to rotate on its axis in a uniformal pattern and because this asteroid has been hit probably innumerable times none of the faces will be symetrical. What you're seeing is different craft with different approaches taking different photos of different angles of the same object.

for example, here is Saturns moon Prometheus

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And here is the same moon shot from a different angle.

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In one it looks rounded, in another it looks oblong shaped. I mean I'm open to the idea that this may not be your run of the mill asteroid, nasa seem very interested in it and as usual Hoagland had some interesting speculations. But as for a shapeshifting asteroid, I'm afraid every anomoly you've pointed out so far can be pretty much put down to that fact that its a huge asteroid in constant collision being shot in different stages of rotation.

Feel free to correct me if you think I've missed the point, but I just cant see any tangible evidence for it


Thanks a lot for this info. If you think those are real images then what you say cannot be objected.

If you explore the possibility we are being fed with computer generated images, then this reaffirms my hypothesis.

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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:10 am » by Iamcare


right, so if your arguement against what I said is that all nasa images are manipulated beyond recognition, why are you using their images to affirm your hypothesis? If those nasa provieded pictures of Prometheus are useless then so are the nasa provided images of Vesta, making your point null and void because no images are real anyway?

Does that not strike you as circular logic at all?
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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:16 am » by Frutty


iamcare wrote:right, so if your arguement against what I said is that all nasa images are manipulated beyond recognition, why are you using their images to affirm your hypothesis? If those nasa provieded pictures of Prometheus are useless then so are the nasa provided images of Vesta, making your point null and void because no images are real anyway?

Does that not strike you as circular logic at all?


Nope If Hubble's images are fake and Dawn's images are fake, this would prove that they cannot be consequent with the fakery.

Dawn's images show a round object and Hubble's show an oblong one. Oblong is not round and round is not oblong.
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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:39 am » by Iamcare


Well its an interesting idea I grant you that but personally I see nothing more there than what I'd expect to see. Irregular objects that are only lit from one constant source rotating in 3 dimensional space will give off different shapes as they show different sides and different angles. Especially if you put up pictures from vastly different distances, like say the difference between where hubble is and where dawn is at the moment.

but if you're saying all the pictures are flat out fakes, I could go for that, this is nasa we're talking about.
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PostSun Jul 24, 2011 4:43 am » by Frutty


iamcare wrote:but if you're saying all the pictures are flat out fakes, I could go for that, this is nasa we're talking about.



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PostFri Jul 29, 2011 4:45 am » by Frutty


Summary of All images purportedly captured by probe Dawn orbiting Vesta so far

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Source: http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/ves ... allery.asp
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PostSun Jul 31, 2011 4:15 pm » by Frutty


3D Model of vesta concocted long before the Dawn imaginary space vehicle -- back in 1996.


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In contrast this is the imagery that has transpired of dawn for public consumption.

Vesta's luminosity is gone as if by art of magic . (Vesta is the most luminous asteroid of them all!!!)

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Also Oblong is not round and round is not oblong
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PostMon Aug 01, 2011 9:45 pm » by Slamgunshark


Debunked, Thank you very much:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/ ... id-photos/

NASA today revealed the first close-up imagery of Vesta, one of the largest asteroids in our solar system.

The ion-propelled spacecraft Dawn, which took nearly four years to reach the 330-mile-wide space rock, recorded the photos and beamed them to Earth on July 24, 2011.

“Our patience is paying off very handsomely,” said engineer Marc Rayman of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and member of the Dawn mission during a televised press briefing. “We’re now exploring one of the last uncharted worlds in the solar system.”

Vesta is the second most massive object in the asteroid belt and has a surface area twice that of the state of California. Researchers think the asteroid formed some 4.6 billion years ago, an age that makes its pockmarked surface a crucial record of the early solar system.

Although the asteroid may harbor evidence of an early supernova that irradiated its surface, Dawn’s controllers are focusing on big and obvious features for now.

One is a line of three craters that Dawn’s engineers called “the Snowman.” Another is a series of enormous grooves lining Vesta’s dusty equator.

Dawn mission leader and planetary scientist Christopher Russell of the University of California, Los Angeles thinks an ancient and catastrophic impact carved the grooves around Vesta. But he’s less certain about the appearance of the Snowman and other craters lined with black and white material.

“I haven’t seen anything like that before,” Russell said during the briefing.

Dawn snapped the images shown here from a distance of about 3,200 miles, but the spacecraft will soon descend to an orbit about 1,700 miles above the asteroid. NASA expects it to reach that orbit and begin its science mission in earnest on August 11, 2011.

Sometime in August 2012, the spacecraft will fire its engines and head toward Ceres, the biggest object in the asteroid belt. Planetary scientists think they may find evidence of a mud volcanoes on its surface and a liquid ocean below.


Video is on the link of the rotation of Vesta, and I think this puts your "fakery" theory to rest as it shows all sides of this asteroid.
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