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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:21 pm » by Seriouscitizen


As a dreamer and natural stoner.... Chilll maaangg, it always has been hard for me to understand how people need 'meditation' and other breathing techniques to get in a mindfull state. Ofcoarse in the end Meditation is so much more than getting relaxed.. OR IS IT?

To understand what i am going to explain you have to visualise the difference of our current lifestyle and that of when we where created/evolved into this human bodytype. Ofcoarse there are lots of dark, read unknown, passages in our history, but i think we know that in the 'original design' there wasnt a economic commercial system similar to our current system.

The human mammal body is designed to live of its natural enviroment, to 'cultivate' it in balanced ways
(this is my assumption) so nature would provide everything it needs in order to grow.

Things have changed drastically and instead of a balanced wholistic interaction with our eviroment we have done much effort in order to discect, control and dominate it for commercial profit and perhaps to be of use of some sinister agenda.

This has brought our body out of balance,. we are in constant struggle with scarcity, time pressure and other people invading our subconscious boundaries. In other words we are STRESSED OUT. And we are so used to it that we cant imagine being any different.

What happends is this: our stress triggers our flight or fight mechanism, this produces hormones like adrenaline, that makes us among other things breath more deeply than is natural.
Truth is most of the time we are actually breathing deep and irregular. Some times we even forget to breath.

That would be perfect.. If you had to fight an army raging madman. Because it triggers your blood to leave your whole brain towards your reptillian brain and your muscles. So you would be ready to fight. Or in most cases flight. But it is counterproductive to be like that during your everyday domestic/business routines. Sadly that is the case. Our stress, even if its only mental, puts our body in a survival state over and over again during the day.

When our blood is working for our survival mechanism, it aint working for our immune and regenerative system. So stress means PARTY for disease. (read or view more below)

So back to breathing,. In context of this information presented it is now more clear how over time people came up with meditation and other breathing techniques. Because we couldn't breath 'normal' like we were designed to do. WE had to trick our body into thinking we arent in stress. Even if its only for a little while.

Meditation puts your mind off stress, balances your breath so takes the body into its natural balanced state if done right, finally!
Thats what your cells would think, FINALLY PARTY TIME< LETS REGENERATE.
And if we do it right we could even become ENLIGHTENED.

So hold on a minute... :headscratch:

That means being Enlightened is actually being 'natural'? I think it is. I think we only have a little clue to what our biologic possibilities are. I think they could be more than science presents us in our current commercial context. After all, the stressed out brains of our scientists are probably not even working at their potential.


150 DISEASES OF DEEP BREATHING...

For over 30 years – from October 1952 to September 1985 – the medical establishment hushed up my discovery. It did everything to trample on and destroy the strongest weapon in the fight against many modern diseases. I was called a charlatan, a schizophrenic and a raving nutter, among other names. They tried to poison me three times, and organised two car crashes. There were several attempts to put me in a psychiatric hospital. They physically destroyed my laboratory, which was unique throughout the world. And all of this because I had discovered a lever that patients could pull to be free from their piles of pills and complicated surgical procedures that were far from safe. But of course, this is the mainstay of pharmacology, and thousands of surgeons have won State prizes. What, after all, is easier: to recognise a discovery and decrease your own specific weight or to accuse the author of pseudoscience? The latter is easier and more profitable...

Much has changed today, but those who simply criticised the Method previously are now trying to ram the genie back into the bottle from which it had begun to emerge. The discovery seems to have been recognised, but there’s just one tiny catch. A trifling reservation crept into the decision.1 They say the Method only cures asthma, mild asthma at that, instead of the list of 150 diseases that I compiled during my decades of medical practice. Well, what of it. I spent 30 years working with diseases, and in five millennia, everyone will recognise my work, you’ll see. Of course, there might not be anyone left to treat...

Nevertheless, for you who are suffering from the basic diseases included in the significantly shortened list below, I resolutely declare: they can be treated with my Method! Every last one! But there’s no need to shout about it being a panacea – only the uneducated would think so. How can it be a panacea when the list contains a few dozen illnesses but modern medicine recognises around 30 thousand. This is a mere fraction, but they are the most common. That's the whole point. I would stake my life on every line, but only for those who believe that the Method is the only chance of deliverance. People who believe in massages, acupuncture and yogi-mogis and shmogis had better not practice the Method. It only helps those who are its complete supporters. Not because it involves some kind of hypnosis or some other kind of suggestion, as my enemies claim. No, the Method is completely physiological – but half-hearted belief is always worse than disbelief.

1 Translator’s note: this may be a reference to the Order of the Soviet Ministry of Health on Measures to introduce the method of the volitional regulation of the depth of breath in the treatment of asthma, 30 April 1985.

150 DISEASES OF DEEP BREATHING that can be treated by the VEDB (Volitional Elimination of Deep Breathing) also know as the Buteyko Breathing Technique.
1. Pre-asthmatic conditions:
a. allergic respiratory disease
b. polyvalent allergy
c. laryngospasm (voice loss)
d. allergic conjunctivitis
e. food allergies
f. drug allergies
g. pseudocroup
h. pharyngitis
i. laryngitis
j. tracheitis
2. Asthmatic bronchitis
3. Bronchial asthma
4. CNSLD (chronic nonspecific lung disease):
a. chronic bronchitis, including obstructive bronchitis
b. chronic pneumonia
c. bronchiectasis
d. pneumosclerosis
e. emphysema
f. silicosis, anthracosis, etc.
5. Chronic cold
6. Vasomotor rhinitis
7. Frontal sinusitis
8. Maxillary sinusitis
9. Sinusitis
10. Adenoids and polyps
11. [no number 11]
12. Chronic rhinosinusitis
13. Pollinoses (hay fever)
14. Quincke's oedema
15. Hives
16. Eczema, including
a. neurodermatitis
b. psoriasis
c. diathesis
d. vitiligo
e. ichytosis
f. acne
17. Raynaud's disease (spasms of the vessels of the upper extremities)2
18. Obliterating endarteritis

2 Translator’s note: Raynaud’s disease affects all the extremities, but Buteyko specifies the upper extremities.

19. Varicose veins
20. Thrombophlebitis
21. Haemorrhoids
22. Hypotension
23. Hypertension
24. Autonomic neuropathy
25. Congenital heart disease
26. Rheumatism of the joints
27. Rheumatic heart disease
28. Diencephalic syndrome
29. Ischemic heart disease (IHD)
30. Chronic IHD (CIHD)
a. rest and effort angina
b. postinfarction cardiosclerosis
31. Cardiac arrhythmia:
a. tachycardia
b. extrasystole
c. paroxysmal tachycardia
d. atrial fibrillation
32. Generalised atherosclerosis
33. Arachnoiditis (post-traumatic, influenzal, etc.)
34. Post-stroke conditions:
a. paralysis
b. paresis
35. Parkinson’s disease (early stage)
36. Hypothyroidism
37. Hyperthyroidism
38. Graves’ disease
39. Diabetes
40. Irregular menstruation
41. Toxaemia of pregnancy3
42. Menopausal problems
43. Cervical erosion
44. Fibromyoma
45. Fibrocystic breast changes
46. Infertility
47. Impotence
48. Threatened miscarriage
49. Radiculitis
50. Osteochondrosis

3 Translator’s note: It is not clear here if Buteyko means early toxaemia of pregnancy (morning sickness) or late toxaemia of pregnancy (pre-eclampsia) or both.

51. Metabolic polyarthropathy
52. Rheumatoid polyarthropathy
53. Dupuytren's contracture (contracture of the palmar fascia)
54. Gout
55. Pyelonephritis
56. Glomerulonephritis
57. Nocturia (need to urinate at night)
58. Cystitis
59. Kidney stone disease
60. Obesity of all degrees
61. Lipomatosis
62. Chronic gastritis
63. Chronic cholecystitis
64. Biliary dyskinesia
65. Chronic pancreatitis
66. Gallstone disease
67. Duodenal ulcer
68. Irritable bowel syndrome
69. Peptic ulcers
70. Multiple sclerosis
71. Epileptic syndrome, (epilepsy)-convulsive syndrome
72. Schizophrenia (early stage)
73. Systemic autoimmune disease (scleroderma, systemic lupus erythematosus, dermatomyositis)
74. Glaucoma
75. Cataracts
76. Temporary squinting
77. Long sightedness
78. Radiation sickness
79. Acute and chronic hepatitis
80. Cirrhosis of the liver
81. HIV (AIDS)

Yes, now, today, and not in 5,000 years time (when it will be possible, but too late), being of sound mind and memory, I declare: my discovery of the diseases of deep breathing revolutionises the whole of medicine!
K.P. Buteyko



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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:24 pm » by Poooooot


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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:30 pm » by Seriouscitizen


Lol I do.. Not for long anymore tho..

Why you stressed out cause of your job? Aaww :hugging:

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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:32 pm » by Lowsix


No, she lives off the state..
If we go by her past posts.

When asked..im sure its a different matter.

While there are a few 'diseases' on that list that deep breathing can help.
Its mostly utter and complete nonsense. And That russian is insane.

That is NOT to say that deep breathing or breathing exercises are helpful..for many things.

It is.


But it wont cure most of the shit on that list.
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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:34 pm » by Seriouscitizen


Lowsix wrote:No, she lives off the state..
If we go by her past posts.

When asked..im sure its a different matter.

While there are a few 'diseases' on that list that deep breathing can help.
Its mostly utter and complete nonsense. And That russian is insane.

That is NOT to say that deep breathing or breathing exercises are helpful..for many things.

It is.


But it wont cure most of the shit on that list.


Lol low you crack me up,. have you acually read the text or viewed the vid in the few minutes you had time to respond. It says te contrary DEEP BREATHING CAUSES THE DISEASE,. get your fact straight man

B.t.w. im on wellfare but i have to work at a cemetary (public service) to maintain it. Heavy manual work so yeah in the context of actual LABOR, I do it. Im about to change type of work tho
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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:37 pm » by Lowsix


Lowsix wrote:No, she lives off the state..
If we go by her past posts.

When asked..im sure its a different matter.

While there are a few 'diseases' on that list that (anti) deep breathing can help.
Its mostly utter and complete nonsense. And That russian is insane.

That is NOT to say that (anti) deep breathing or breathing exercises are helpful..for many things.

It is..or rather, might be.


But it wont cure most of the shit on that list.


There I fixed it, happy now?
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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:37 pm » by Hurtswhenipee


Seriouscitizen wrote:
Lowsix wrote:No, she lives off the state..
If we go by her past posts.

When asked..im sure its a different matter.

While there are a few 'diseases' on that list that deep breathing can help.
Its mostly utter and complete nonsense. And That russian is insane.

That is NOT to say that deep breathing or breathing exercises are helpful..for many things.

It is.


But it wont cure most of the shit on that list.


Lol low you crack me up,. have you acually read or viewed the vid. It says te contrary DEEP BREATHING CAUSES THE DISEASE,. get your fact straight man

Sounds like a load of horse manure to me.... No pun intended Low :bullshit: (I read it, vid too)
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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:39 pm » by The57ironman


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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:39 pm » by Seriouscitizen


Lowsix wrote:
Lowsix wrote:No, she lives off the state..
If we go by her past posts.

When asked..im sure its a different matter.

While there are a few 'diseases' on that list that (anti) deep breathing can help.
Its mostly utter and complete nonsense. And That russian is insane.

That is NOT to say that (anti) deep breathing or breathing exercises are helpful..for many things.

It is..or rather, might be.


But it wont cure most of the shit on that list.


There I fixed it, happy now?


Thank you, by this you actually admitted your full of shit and didnt read my post :alien51:



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PostMon Nov 19, 2012 10:44 pm » by Lowsix


Well her clarification brought up another interesting point.

And no, i dont have to 'read your post" to know that shallow breathing
wont cure aids and cirrhosis thank you very uninformed much.

Thats adorable you think it will though.

You are a very gullible young lady.

But back to YOUR point...

Since MOST people don't do 'deep breathing' in the first place,
and rather breathe very shallowly as a matter of habit..

Wouldn't it stand to reason that most of those diseases wouldn't occur in the first place.

And yes, it is a pile of horse manure.

The first half..not AS ridiculous, since many of those ARE breathing related syndromes..
(so we COULD give it the benefit of the doubt)

The rest...Utter fucking nonsense..

Aids?

Shallow breathing cures aids (or HIV, rather)?

Give me a fucking break.






"51. Metabolic polyarthropathy
52. Rheumatoid polyarthropathy
53. Dupuytren's contracture (contracture of the palmar fascia)
54. Gout
55. Pyelonephritis
56. Glomerulonephritis
57. Nocturia (need to urinate at night)
58. Cystitis
59. Kidney stone disease
60. Obesity of all degrees
61. Lipomatosis
62. Chronic gastritis
63. Chronic cholecystitis
64. Biliary dyskinesia
65. Chronic pancreatitis
66. Gallstone disease
67. Duodenal ulcer
68. Irritable bowel syndrome
69. Peptic ulcers
70. Multiple sclerosis
71. Epileptic syndrome, (epilepsy)-convulsive syndrome
72. Schizophrenia (early stage)
73. Systemic autoimmune disease (scleroderma, systemic lupus erythematosus, dermatomyositis)
74. Glaucoma
75. Cataracts
76. Temporary squinting
77. Long sightedness
78. Radiation sickness
79. Acute and chronic hepatitis
80. Cirrhosis of the liver
81. HIV
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