Britain Turns Away From Europe

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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 3:25 pm » by *WillEase*


October 17, 2012 • From theTrumpet.com
Britain takes its most significant step ever away from European Union.
By Richard Palmer

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Britain is nearing the exit from European Union, which will push the EU ever closer to the prophesied 10 nation political power.
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The British government plans to opt out of 130 European Union laws on crime, justice and policing, Home Secretary Theresa May announced on October 15. The euroskeptic Daily Express newspaper herald the announcement as “Britain’s First Step to EU Exit.”
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/352 ... to-EU-exit

They’re right. A large segment of the British public has long been unhappy with Britain’s place in the EU. But for years Britain continued to drift closer to Europe. London gave Brussels more and more power over Britain and even signed the Lisbon Treaty despite widespread opposition.

Then, last December, this drift toward Europe stopped as Prime Minister David Cameron vetoed the fiscal pact. The other EU nations moved on, leaving Britain behind.

Now, Britain has done more than simply stop: It has reversed direction.

Its opting out of the crime and justice laws marks the first time that any European nation has backed away from ever closer union.

Under the Lisbon Treaty, Britain can opt out of all of the roughly 13 laws on crime and justice. Afterward, it can negotiate with the EU to opt in to certain laws.

The current situation has led to gross miscarriages of justice, with civil rights organizations condemning the system that has left British citizens languishing in foreign jails for years without trial.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... rew-symeou

May said that Parliament will vote on the opt out, but is almost certain to be approved.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-out.html
Even the Financial Times, which called for Britain to join the euro, endorsed the opt out, in a leader:

Any government, especially a Tory one, has to acknowledge the EU’s increasingly shaky legitimacy in the UK—where polls suggest a majority want to withdraw from the union altogether. Against this backdrop, to concede a further loss of national control—in such a sensitive area to an unaccountable court—would invite a backlash.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/cb1bf6ee-1 ... z29YwPUj2u

The opt out comes after eight cabinet ministers called for Britain to renegotiate its relationship with the EU or walk out. One of the most popular members of the government, Education Secretary Michael Gove, said Britain should leave the EU unless the other nations allow it to fundamentally change its relationship. Defense Secretary Philip Hammond supported him, and the Mail reports that six other ministers privately agreed.

With the europhile Liberal Democrats in Britain’s governing collation, Britain may try to opt back in to more laws that most conservatives want. But Britain still won’t adhere to as many of the criminal justice laws as it does now. It will be a change in direction for Britain—it’s only a question of how quickly it moves.

Germany Gives Up on Britain

It’s not just British ministers that see that Britain and Europe are heading for a split. Europe’s most powerful nation, Germany, has also come around to the same view.

Spiegel Online reported how German Chancellor Angela Merkel once went out of her way to keep Britain in Europe—but not anymore. Merkel’s hopes for a Europe with Britain “have now been dashed,” it wrote. “The German government is convinced that the Euro Group will be the core of a new, more deeply integrated Europe.” It wrote that “the chancellor has long since come to terms with the fact that there will no longer be a path back to the center of the union for the British.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 61294.html

This reality doesn’t just apply to financial integration. “Last fall, the British blocked an attempt by the other 26 EU member states to establish a joint headquarters for military missions,” Spiegel wrote. “Now the plan is to be revived and implemented, even against London’s resistance, if necessary.”

It’s not just Britain that the Germans see going it alone. “On the one side of the current divide is a hard core of countries that want to work together more closely,” said Spiegel. “On the other side are countries like Great Britain, Denmark and Sweden, which are essentially condemned to be spectators if they no longer wish to join the rest. The dream of an expanding and more tightly integrated Greater Europe is over.”

Germany has paused and waited for Britain to come along. Now, that wait is over: The Germans have committed to moving on without them.

A Messy Divorce

Britain plans to opt out of the crime and justice laws, and then opt back in to the individual laws it believes are actually useful. Britain’s leaders, including Mr. Cameron, see this as the ideal approach to Britain’s whole relationship with the EU: Renegotiate everything so Britain gets the free trade it wants and jettisons the regulations it hates.

But this approach requires the cooperation of every EU nation. On the crime and justice laws, just one other EU nation can prevent Britain from opting in.

Britain is hoping the EU will be reasonable. Already it looks like they won’t.

One anonymous EU official has warned that Britain could be forced to pay a “financial penalty” to cover the administrative costs involved. This penalty is thought to be several million pounds.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ll-UK.html
This could be only the start. Any EU nation could try to use the crime and justice negotiations to blackmail Britain. They’d be cutting of their nose to spite their face if they did so, but it would hardly be the first time that has happened in international relations.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 12365.html

In their article, Spiegel Online compared Britain to Statler and Waldorf, the two Muppets that sit in a box and hurl insults at the performers on The Muppet Show. Several British papers reported that the comparison comes from a frustrated Angela Merkel.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... klash.html

British conservatives are hoping the split on policing laws can lead to a friendly renegotiation of Britain’s relationship in Europe. Instead, the signs so far are that Britain is heading for a messy divorce. Britain is frustrated with European interference. Europe is fed up with Britain getting in the way as it tries to sort out the eurocrisis.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... pe-EU.html

Europe is inexorably drifting to the outcome the Bible prophesied centuries ago. Britain is heading out, while the union is consolidating into a smaller group of 10 nations that will pursue closer integration until they become a superstate.

To read more about this prophecy and how it will affect you, see “Britain Was Warned!” from our booklet He Was Right.
https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/r ... was-warned
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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 3:33 pm » by Tuor10


Getting the fuck out of that vile organisation would be the best for all concerned. Our flirtation with Europe has failed miserably.

The British are an Island people. Our psyche is completely different to that of mainland Europe.

We belong to a vast commonwealth of nations, that in terms of trade and commerce, will be far more profitable then adhering to the useless, incompetent, rules of the EU.

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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 5:53 pm » by mykingdomforthetruth


Britian has been severley damaged by the EU with its open door immigration policy flooding the country with muslims That just dont belong ... Its so called free trade policy Allowing multi million pound corporations to set up Hypermarkets replacing all local buisness i remmember every town in britian had at least 20 shops selling various goods and services, now most if not all towns in britian have 1 supermarket and very few service installations employing less than half the staff the previous system operated ALL this devastation and culture loss is Attributed to the EU, Sadly britian is broke and to recover from this ordeal would take radical change and i mean severe steps like emptying britian of immigrants rebuilding society from the ground up which involves kicking out foreign economic powers like WallMart and limiting home grown 1's so the small buisness industry can restart in otherwords i would litteraly dictate what tescos can and cant sell i would take away their ability to sell clothes white goods fresh produce If you can call GMO poison fresh produce.. alcohol even the cafe would go if i was in charge.Same goes for the automotive industry obviously britian doesnt make its own vehicles anymore but with the heavy tax i would place on purchasing vehicles from foreign companys im sure a british entrepreneur would see a huge oportunity in re opening rover Yes fixing britian would need radical and painfull in the short term steps. Britian has to go back in time and start again Doing things the british way Acorn once made excellent computer systems way ahead of their time Think about that... I would encourage Britishness to thrive everywhere BUT thats only what i would do what our pro european priminster will do is up to the oligarchy in brussels
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility.

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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 8:02 pm » by Dagnamski


Well look you have two options:

1. Tehnocratic sub-Nazi
2. British
3. Not Sure.....
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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 8:07 pm » by Troll2rocks


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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 10:31 pm » by Eltorito


If we leave the EU, we can say “bye, bye” to 1000’s of jobs..

Honda, Toyota, Nissan only build cars here because the cars will be EU approved = Can be sold in continental Europe without Import duty or special type approval.

The same is true for:

Mini (BMW)

Bentley Motors (Volkswagen)

Rolls Royce (BMW)

Jaguar / Land Rover (Tata)

Aston Martin (Kuwaiti Investors)

The Vauxhall Astra production will be moved to Gliwice in Poland before the ink is dry on the EU exit papers. :flop:

UK pharmaceutical industry will also see a similar effect for their products.

Artificial Hip transplants, new and old drugs need EU type approval.

All of British Industry will suffer as we can expect extra duty’s and taxes on all our exports.

The Queen, Prince Charles will have to ask for more money from the UK tax payers as they are the biggest Farm subsidy earners in the entire EU.


Let’s trade with the Commonwealth.. You must be joking. :vomit:

Out of the 54 member countries of the Commonwealth, 4 members have money..

Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Canada. :cheers:

The remaining 50 Members read like to who is who in the World Hunger Listing:

Antigua and Barbuda

Bangladesh

Barbados

Belize

Botswana

Cameroon

Dominica

Fiji

Gambia

Ghana

Grenada

Guyana

Jamaica

Kenya

Kiribati

Lesotho

Malawi ...

The list goes on and on..

We have so many “Extra Deals” from the EU…

And surprisingly all of these rules are against the UK public.

If you buy a TV or a Freezer.. on the Continent, you get 2 years Warranty, we get 1 year.

If you charge 3700% interest on a loan on the Continent you get a minimum of 2 years in prison.

In the UK, you get a credit license from the Office of "Fair" Trading..

Most of the EU rules are here to protect YOU!

The real reason for our exit of the EU is..

To protect the Banks in the City from a 0.01% tax on their deals? :shooting:

Nothing else.. :bang;

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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 11:50 pm » by Webhead


dont talk rubbish they make them here in the uk because we build them great, the germans wouldnt take away there stuff here as there economy has already faltered.so would everyone else if they took it from here.

considering we arent in the eu why do people say were leaving it???? were not init in the first place but they have been getting away with destroying england for years because of doppy labour i like europes ass mp,s and leader,s blair licked so so many ass,s terrible leader .

and now good old dave is sticking the middle finger too them nice .

my grandad fought in 2 world wars he would have turned in his grave knowing germany had so much power ,we went to war to stop the nazi bastards lets not forget that.

and in my usual way fuck the eu , british is best dont like it then fuck off out our country and leave us alone we dont need anyone we can build anything better than anyone fact.

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PostWed Oct 17, 2012 11:55 pm » by Tuor10


Eltorito wrote:If we leave the EU, we can say “bye, bye” to 1000’s of jobs..

Unadulterated bollocks.
Europe profits from trade with Britain. European companies are not going to stop trading with Britain. They are not going to cut off their nose to spite their face; it doesn't work like that.


Britain pays millions to be part of a collective of nations that has done nothing in the way of improving economic growth. British companies are prohibited by countless regulations, that have an affect on the way they do business.


Honda, Toyota, Nissan only build cars here because the cars will be EU approved = Can be sold in continental Europe without Import duty or special type approval.
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Don't tell me about fucking EU quality and control. An EU approved toy nearly killed my daughter


The same is true for:

Mini (BMW)

Bentley Motors (Volkswagen)

Rolls Royce (BMW)

Jaguar / Land Rover (Tata)

Aston Martin (Kuwaiti Investors)

UK car manufacturing will not cease in the event of Britain pulling out of the EU. To say so is, frankly, ridiculous.

Others countries, most notably Norway, operate, and co-operate, with the EU, while not being in their jurisdiction.

Companies are not going to start pulling out of the UK. If you have any evidence to the contrary, I would like to see it.


The Vauxhall Astra production will be moved to Gliwice in Poland before the ink is dry on the EU exit papers. :flop:

UK pharmaceutical industry will also see a similar effect for their products.

Artificial Hip transplants, new and old drugs need EU type approval.

So the the EU will stop approving them - will withhold potentially life saving medicines from entering the European markets, because Britain is no longer part of their club?

Ridiculous!


All of British Industry will suffer as we can expect extra duty’s and taxes on all our exports.

...And the opposite won't be true for imports? - if that was the case, which I highly doubt.


The Queen, Prince Charles will have to ask for more money from the UK tax payers as they are the[biggest Farm subsidy earners in the entire EU.

LOL

This is great stuff.

Britain pays more than it gets back in terms of subsidies; in particular, farming subsides. That is why cooperative farming has become so wide spread in Britain, because it deals directly with the UK market.


Let’s trade with the Commonwealth.. You must be joking. :vomit:

Out of the 54 member countries of the Commonwealth, 4 members have money..

Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Canada. :cheers:

The remaining 50 Members read like to who is who in the World Hunger Listing:

Antigua and Barbuda

Bangladesh

Barbados

Belize

Botswana

Cameroon

Dominica

Fiji

Gambia

Ghana

Grenada

Guyana

Jamaica

Kenya

Kiribati

Lesotho

Malawi ...

The list goes on and on..

We have so many “Extra Deals” from the EU…

And surprisingly all of these rules are against the UK public.

If you buy a TV or a Freezer.. on the Continent, you get 2 years Warranty, we get 1 year.

If you charge 3700% interest on a loan on the Continent you get a minimum of 2 years in prison.

In the UK, you get a credit license from the Office of "Fair" Trading..

Most of the EU rules are here to protect YOU!

The real reason for our exit of the EU is..

To protect the Banks in the City from a 0.01% tax on their deals? :shooting:

Nothing else.. :bang;

Who writes your scripts?

Britain, by legal right, should not even be in the EU. Britain's entry into the common market in 1972 was done under false pretenses. The British public were told that we were joining a free trading zone; they wasn't told their their sovereignty and right to rule themselves would be eroded by unelected officials in Brussels. Thus, under English common law, the EU has no authority.

EU rules have wrought more harm than good. Take fucking health and safety. People have died as a result of EU rules, because the emergency services have not been allowed to do their job properly.

I won't talk about mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and the effect it has had on depreciating the wage structure of Britain. I would have to write a 2000 word essay. Suffice to say that people have seen their living standards slide, because big business has a steady stream of cheap labor. Pulling Britain out of Europe, would put a stop to that, because most of that cheap labor would have to leave Britain, thus creating a need for labor, which would then push up wages, and the living standards of ordinary Brits.

The same hackneyed argument - propagated by the europhiles - has been promulgated for the past 10 years: "we will lose thousands of jobs if we leave Europe". The same hackneyed argument has always been ripped to shreds, because it is erroneous bollocks.

With regards to the banks: have you not seen the state of Europe's banks? Most are being kept alive by EU money, AKA our tax's.



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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 1:37 am » by Eltorito


It will end most likely that Europe will kick us out anyway. :shock:

Europe just can’t tolerate that a minority of some 58 Million People (after the divorce from Scotland)
Throwing their toys out of the pram every time they feel the need for yet another exception of the Rules.

With regards to the mass Immigration;

Don’t you find it strange that 7.7 % of all Immigrants are NON EU Born? :rtft:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... pean_Union

Type approval of cars, or Medicine means;

A car manufacturer will need to seek type approval for every single Country within the EU.

Any car produced within any EU Country is automatically approved to all member states.

Why? The car was built to the EU minimum safety standards issued by the EU.

Every part on your car will have an “E” in a circle, your Head lights as example.

That’s why even my Jeep was assembled in Graz (Austria) and not in Jefferson /MI.

Type approval will add substantial cost if you have to pay for it 27 times. :ohno:

General Motors will be the first to move the Astra production over to Poland.

Remember 2001, the Foot and Mouth outbreak we had?

Almost all Dairy / Meat Products had to be imported just to keep us going.

More than half the money to compensate our Farmers for their lost live stock was provided by the EU.

I totally agree, the EU is not perfect.. :hell:

But I rather associate with France, Germany, Italy, Spain when the Muslim extremists hit our streets. :hugging:

I doubt any Spaniard will try and cut your head off?

Just saying.. :cheers:

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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 1:59 am » by Tuor10


Eltorito wrote:It will end most likely that Europe will kick us out anyway. :shock:

Look at the state of the Eurozone. Germany has become the de-facto linchpin that is currently holding it together, to the detriment of everyone else. Just ask the Greeks, whose people are having to survive on food parcels, because Germany has forced them to implement crippling austerity measures.


Europe just can’t tolerate that a minority of some 58 Million People (after the divorce from Scotland)
Throwing their toys out of the pram every time they feel the need for yet another exception of the Rules.

The rules being forced on us are crippling Britain. We have foreign criminals rotting in our jails, costing the tax payer fortunes, because we have no right to extradite them under EU law.



With regards to the mass Immigration;

Don’t you find it strange that 7.7 % of all Immigrants are NON EU Born? :rtft:

No; but the vast majority of immigrants coming to Britain are from the Eurozone.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... pean_Union

Type approval of cars, or Medicine means;

A car manufacturer will need to seek type approval for every single Country within the EU.

Not true. External goods are approved by one body. Once it is given approval, it can be sold in any eurozone country, without the need for internal approvals. How do I know that.....well, right now, I am taking a company to court over their EU approved toy, that nearly killed my daughter. I was told, by the horses mouth, that the toy underwent no UK checks.

Any car produced within any EU Country is automatically approved to all member states.

They undergo the same checks as goods coming in from outside the Eurozone.


Why? The car was built to the EU minimum safety standards issued by the EU.

Every part on your car will have an “E” in a circle, your Head lights as example.

That’s why even my Jeep was assembled in Graz (Austria) and not in Jefferson /MI.

Type approval will add substantial cost if you have to pay for it 27 times. :ohno:

It would do it regardless if it thought it was going to make more profit. Cheaper labor you see.


Remember 2001, the Foot and Mouth outbreak we had?

Almost all Dairy / Meat Products had to be imported just to keep us going.

More than half the money to compensate our Farmers for their lost live stock was provided by the EU.

What they giveth in one hand, they take away with next.


I totally agree, the EU is not perfect.. :hell:

But I rather associate with France, Germany, Italy, Spain when the Muslim extremists hit our streets. :hugging:

How will pulling out of the EU, make Islamic extremism any worse?


I doubt any Spaniard will try and cut your head off?

Not being funny mate, but you're clutching at straws, and sounding ridiculous in the process. My heads chances of losing its position on my Body, with regards to mad, knive wielding Mullahs has no correlation, corollary, relation to whether Britain is in or out of the EU. How you come up with that one, only you no LOL.

I suspect that any final decision will be in the shape of a general plebiscite. In that case, you will have a vote, like the rest of us. You can even join the pro-Euro brigade, and help them in their efforts to persuade the British people to stay within the corrupt, defunct, EU. They will need all the help they can get, if their argument for staying in are as thin on the ground as yours.


Just saying.. :cheers:


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