chemi trails something we might of missed

Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:37 pm » by **Flecktarn**

today i was watching blatant spraying in the sky ,for example a long trail from a plane then it looked like the tap was turned off then 10 seconds later back spraying again ,,what i was thinking was who supplies the chemicals ,who makes them,who transports them,where do they get delivered to ,,,all these questions put alot of people in the loop ,yet so far no one has come out with good hard info ,,,the chances are the delivery is handled by a civilian company ,along with the manufacture of the chemicals ,,,due to the fact of the amounts being sprayed ,,,so if we can track the airports ,,it possible to trace tanker deliverys or barrel deliverys ,,unless the stuff is fed in by a pipeline ,,tankers would be easys to spot and also the hazmat symbols on the tanks relate to the cargo ,,,,,,something well worth thinking about

Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:49 pm » by **Strobez**

I asked about this while back but go no replies, what airports are they takeing off from, where are they located?

are they military bases or civilion airports/private airports ect..

Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:57 pm » by **Mumin**

my two cents:
ever wondered how come those low budget airlines can stay afloat, while selling "almost free" tickets when at the same time fuel prices keep going up?
I think I might have found the answer if you'd been wondering:
I am situated right between big major European airports, like Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels etc.... so I get a lot of air traffic here. I follow the planes that are in the sky by using flightradar24.com so I can see which planes leave thick trails, while others have normal con-trails that disappear after a while.
Now get this:
the budget airlines, like Ryanair or easyjet ALWAYS leave thick trails that just won't disappear. The big National Airlines like AirFrance and Lufthansa: very often.
But "foreign" airlines from countries like Dubai, China etc. are "clean"!

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:02 pm » by **Flecktarn**

mumin wrote:my two cents:
ever wondered how come those low budget airlines can stay afloat, while selling "almost free" tickets when at the same time fuel prices keep going up?
I think I might have found the answer if you'd been wondering:
I am situated right between big major European airports, like Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels etc.... so I get a lot of air traffic here. I follow the planes that are in the sky by using flightradar24.com so I can see which planes leave thick trails, while others have normal con-trails that disappear after a while.
Now get this:
the budget airlines, like Ryanair or easyjet ALWAYS leave thick trails that just won't disappear. The big National Airlines like AirFrance and Lufthansa: very often.
But "foreign" airlines from countries like Dubai, China etc. are "clean"!

funny you mention the budget ones ,,that was a easyjet one i seen do the spray stop then spray again :cheers:

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:04 pm » by **Flecktarn**

found this report online and found it intresting,,,,,,,

Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?
(Note - We cannot confirm the following statement but the implications are enormous, and we expect there will be serious efforts to investigate and evaluate these allegations quickly. -ed.)
For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had never thought much about this situation until last month.

Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work. The union rep spoke up then and recommended that we take a look at the plane and see if we could straighten it all out. It was at this time that I asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their name.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK. Again I had to pick myself from off the floor. I made the connection that what had happened was directly connected to my tracing the mysterious piping. The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was what are they trying to hide and who are THEY!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site dealing with chemtrails. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. THEY are watching me.

Well you already know what they are doing. I don't know what they are spraying but I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks they are filling the tanks of the spray system. They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing. http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicchems.html

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:05 pm » by **The57ironman**

this tuber has some interesting videos.....

:cheers:

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:07 pm » by **Flecktarn**

strobez wrote:I asked about this while back but go no replies, what airports are they takeing off from, where are they located?

are they military bases or civilion airports/private airports ect..

i can remember a older post tracking planes from a airport in france ,,,,,if we can find out the chemical supplier that would be a huge leap in finding the true purpose of the spraying :flop:

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:08 pm » by **Bobthegreater**

Mumin's absolutely right about the cheap carriers (queasyjet/ryan air)- I've done exactly the same thing matching them off on flightradar24 (great site) and the correllation with them staying afloat in the market makes sense if they're being granted tax reductions and the like for spreading this air crap.

Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:12 pm » by **Flecktarn**

the57ironman wrote:this tuber has some interesting videos.....

awesome vid

Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:31 pm » by **Flecktarn**

this is why spotting a true sprayer is hard this is a example of how people can be confused all the above pics can be explained,,,yet the statement from the air mecanic points to a better way of deploying chemicals without raising suspicion on a plane that is sat on the ground ,wing tip static probes hollowed out ,would on the ground just look like probes ,and the plane would just look normal