chemtrail/contrail over my head

Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:54 am » by **brillbilly**

oh peeps i try to stay out of the chemtrail/contrail debate as its to much of a tennis mach but just look at these.Today was nice,normal with normal jets with normal small trails that taperd in to a point and vanished after about 45 seconds,but at 17.51 the first massive chemtrail/contrail was suddenly releast from a jet over my house.This was very different to all the others up untill then.this trail was still there 20 mins later and a second trail was being left.in the same photo you can see a normal jej with normal trail just above the abnormal trail.i try to be open minded about contrails being the main source of the lines in the sky,but these trails are not the same.they span out with the wind and turn in to milky clouds and blend with normal clouds.2 years ago the sky above my head started being coverd in crisscross patterns.i do have many photos but dont bother putting them up.im not saying these are chemtrails, but i not happy with the idea that its just normal contrails.as i have seen and photod both types.Oh and in the 5th photo looks like orb/ufo/bug

Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:01 am » by **brillbilly**

the last picture was all i could get that was clear as the clouds rolled over,dont jump on me please as im only showing what i saw chemtrail/contrail you tell me :cheers:

Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:34 am » by **Newearthman**

Looks just like the trails I see over my house in Langley,B.C. Canada

Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:32 am » by **Huge1234**

if these pictures were taken over a few minutes rather than a few seconds... id say theres a good chance that theyre chemtrails... judging by the first coupler photos... theres evidence of a previous (older) trail that doesnt seem to disperse very quickly as as normal contrail would... in fact u can see it 'widening' and not dispersing as the images of the new trail progress.

we get an immense amount of trails where i live... both chem & con... and when you see both types of trail being layed down on the same sky... from planes that seem pretty much the same altitude... it quickly becomes apparent that there is a major difference between the 2... the contrails fully dissapates usually within 15-20 secs (maximum)... and you can see them dissapearing from behind the craft as it hurthles accross the sky...

yet the chemtrails just linger and linger... widening as the hours progress until the sky is milky (usually above the cloud cover)... rarely do they ever do one pass and thats it... some days you are talking 10 passes easilly... sometimes in varing directions... sometimes in rather tight incomplete circles that look like similar to an audi badge... just by looking at the circles u can see if that was a traditional passenger jet that made them... the passengers must of been shitting their pants banking that hard... most common tho is the 'wolverine look' as i call it... they just look like (pretty evenly positioned) scratch / claw marks.

nightime spraying is also a speciality where i live... many a time on a clear night i both witnessed it happening and also see the moon lit chemtrails as theyre widening.

you gotta wonder just wtf theyre upto... its obviously something really dodgy or they just admit responsibility... especially if it was for protection against global warming... theyd be shouting that from the roof tops listing it as further proof globall warming is happening and theyre actively doing something about it.

maybe im too synical in my old age... but i get the feeling its more likely bio-chem testing / forced medication or they are doing it to stop people seeing shit... whether its to hinder us from looking up or to hinder satelites looking from down.... i doubt its for the satelites personally !!... im extra rural... no top secret bases where i live... the famous golf balls are about 30 miles south as the crow flies... apart from that its all cows & sheep for 10+ miles in each direction with the odd village and small town scattered round for good measure...

i reakon bio-chem testing / forced medication... is by far the leading contender for explaining covert chemtrail activity... you just need to take a look at the composis of the chemtrails after analysis to see this is very dodgy indeed.

ive lifted a copy of a couple of posts i made on another forum regarding chemtrails (cos im too bone idol to re-type it all

)...
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3736

crazations wrote:Hi freeman2009,

I'd like to hear your explanation for the following photos:

ahhh... i see your giant sky potato mashers... and i not only raise you the containers where they store their gravy...

*had to resize for d.tv

but also the HPGAN (high pressure gravy applicator nozzle)...

and a boeing 'dukes of hazzard' limited edition air horn assembly...

getting back on a serious note for a moment... what are chemtrails made of ?

lets start off with morgellons disease... very painful multi coloured fibres that end up growing outta your skin... these coloured fibres have been removed by doctors and analysed by scientists... they have tried to find a match for this material on the fbi's very own database of fibres. this database contains samples of just about every fibre known to man... both natural and man-made... and guess what ?... they cant find a match... this is an unknown fibre.

skin leasons caused by morgellons

morgellon fibres under a microscope

now we can begin the chemical anaylisis... samples were collected by actually flying through these chemtails in a light aircraft... and samples have also been gathered from the ground... usually after a particulary heavy session of chemtrail activity followed by heavy showers... theyre able to just scooped it up outta the puddles....

analysis reveals :

1. aluminum oxide : heavilly with linked to altzheimers & dementia
2. barium : cause difficulties in breathing, increased blood pressure, changes in heart rhythm, stomach irritation, minor changes in blood, muscle weakness, changes in nerve reflexes, swelling of the brain, and damage to the liver, kidney, heart, and spleen.
3. magnesium : over-indulgence in taking magnesium supplements and medicines can lead to muscule weakness, lethargy and confusion.
4. titanium : inhalation may cause tightness and pain in chest, coughing, and difficulty in breathing. Contact with skin or eyes may cause irritation. Routes of entry: Inhalation, skin contact, eye contact.
5. calcium : calcium causes elevated levels of calcium in the blood, impaired kidney function, decreased absorption of other minerals

as well as the microfibres already mentioned... we can also add into the mix... red blood cells... virus's... prozac... pathogens & various carcinigens (cancer causing) to name but a few

lets add into the equation... the flouride in the water... the autism causing mercury found in childrens & adult vaccines... additives added to your food... radiological attacks to your mind & body through the use of mobile phones & their signals, digital & analog tv & radio signals, gps signals & wi-fi... the radiation of food & tobacco through pesticides (the list goes on & on)

come on... the goverment & their masters are dangerously obsessed with power & control... controlling you & your physical & emotional state is very high on their agenda... hense the fear based war on terror... which is being used to pull the rug of liberty from right under your feet... as wells as using fear to lower everyones spiritual vibration... which in turn lowers the immune system amongst other things.

this all sounds like psyhcological, chemical & biological warfare to me !

freeman2009 wrote: So I will refrain from the debate on this one but will watch with interest to see some real evidence. I am interested in these admissions from official sources regarding chem trails. Does anyone have links?

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yup... i got a couple, but ive struggled to find the rumsfeld one even tho i remember seeing last it just a coupler of weeks ago....

Chemtrails UK Government admits deadly spraying...

link to the guardian article (not daily mail... not far fetched enuf for mail thinking about it lol)...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

here a documentry about porton down & testing british public...

hope these are of interest... in the meatime im gonna go and hunt for that rumsfeld video

NOTE : the rumsfeld video i was reffering to was him admitting in a press conference after 911 that they had... "aerosolized prozac standing by"... in case of any civil unrest... i was unable to locate that video tho... please post a copy if you know which clip im reffering too... thx

Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:22 pm » by **brillbilly**

thanks huge1234 for the vids,i have seen this stuff and try to steer clear of the morgellons path but i have photos going back to 28,,1,2007 when they started and i am now more inclined to think that there is some sort of weather manipulation going on.The pictures i posted here was just to show that this is not going to go away.as i have said the day was normal up untill that first picture.I hope that the pictures i took are just contrails but as i said they are so different,not at the start as they look like a normal trail but when it gets to hours later and they are now blending in to clouds then they to me are chemtrails.these are not the only pics i have.I have over a thousand back to 29.1.07..here are some more that i have taken

i hope that im wrong about chemtrails but i have a nagging doubt.thanks :cheers:

Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:05 am » by **Lucidlemondrop**

brillbilly wrote:thanks huge1234 for the vids,i have seen this stuff and try to steer clear of the morgellons path but i have photos going back to 28,,1,2007 when they started and i am now more inclined to think that there is some sort of weather manipulation going on.The pictures i posted here was just to show that this is not going to go away.as i have said the day was normal up untill that first picture.I hope that the pictures i took are just contrails but as i said they are so different,not at the start as they look like a normal trail but when it gets to hours later and they are now blending in to clouds then they to me are chemtrails.these are not the only pics i have.I have over a thousand back to 29.1.07..here are some more that i have taken i hope that im wrong about chemtrails but i have a nagging doubt.thanks

It's this shit that makes me trip on it.

Good pics, Brillbilly

Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:16 am » by **Huge1234**

some mighty impressive images there brillbilly

have u ever thought about uploading the cream of them to a self-run website and posting the site link at your local bus stops etc ?... you might as well do something with your archive

Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:44 am » by **Pindz**

good pics Brillbilly !

horrible toxic sky

Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:27 am » by **Lowsix**

These have been dubunked..HERE even so many fuckin times im tired of repeating the information.
NONE of these images are from SPRAYING planes.

The first one is a flight certification plane, testing all flight controls under different types of stress..The large barrels are Ballast water to change the weight distributionin the plane to test that the controls can manage all configuration of passenger dispersal.

And the next THREE are from a Boeing used to test air quality, and the nozzles all point..FORWARD, to collect air samples, NOT backwards to spray anything.
Its a small plane and is beyond ridiculous to assert that it could carry enough spray to even manage a single cropdusting ona veg field.

FACT.
But since ive posted this about seven fucking times, im gonna bet that you STILL wanna believe these are all the PROOF you need to say that youre being sprayed silly.

Sorry. Not with these photos anyways.
Still waiting for proof that hasnt arrived about planes capable of managing a large spray operation

From Ted Twietmeyer to Jeff Rense correcting him on said photo.
2-7-8

Jeff - This is not what the picture shows.

What you are looking at is an ordinary commercial aircraft configured for flight certification. I know this, becaue my past work included designing the control processor for a special switching system for Boeing Seattle flight by a company called ITI, inc. This system was used for routing analog downlink data from aircraft in the flight test room where FAA inspectors worked. In past essays you have read me rant about V1.0 software no longer being a standard or goal in software engineering. This switching system is one such system still running V1.0. This photo could very well be of a Boeing plane, based on my knowledge of how they perform flight testing.

Here is an explanation of what you see in this photo:

1. All the wiring you see which is reddish-orange is strictly used flight test wiring. According to Boeing back in 1985, there were (at the time) about 9 miles of such wiring on EVERY aircraft. This wiring extends down to the landing wheels as well, which the person who took this photo neglected to include. After flight test certification, ALL orange wire is removed, all the equipment you see is removed, wires to hundreds of strain sensors glued to the inside of the fuselage are cut and wall panels are installed.

2. The black and yellow safety tape on the floor indicates a step in the floor - it's where a mini-computer room floor begins under which numerous wires and cables are run. This too, is removed later.

3. The "kegs" you see in the photo are filled with WATER, not chemicals. Water is pumped from one bank of aluminum kegs to another to change the center of gravity.

4. The rack cabinets you see in the background control pumps for the keg water and monitor both keg water levels and every flight system on the aircraft. The data is converted to a serial data stream, and transmitted via a microwave downlink on the aircraft to the flight test center. A large tracking dish mounted on the roof of the large hanger at Boeing Field near street Gate 39 is used to receive this microwave signal. The plane flies in a big circle over the Pacific Northwest while the dish tracks the aircraft to receive aircraft test data.

5. Typically each plane to be tested is manned by a crew of about 8 in the cabin. The pilot is a test pilot who is an employee of Boeing. He will do whatever whatever maneuver the FAA inspectors tell him to do.

6. EVERY plane manufactured must be put through this test procedure to receive certification and a subsequent license.

LowSix wrote:Oh Warn...

You gonna not like me for this..and you should have done this yourself.
It took all of about oh..six minutes to dig up..
so since you wont research your own sources, and youre going to spam me with your "Proof" like Cloudbuster advocates..who also, i noticed..sell some SUPER spiffy Love bracelets on their site..The Burden will remain on you sir.

The burden remains on the party making the more ridiculous claims,
and your three examples so far aint showing me nothin..
And since you gave me an Orgone Cloudbusting Site as one of your proofs, were gonna agree that the burden is still really realistically on you...

If you wont take the evidence IVE provided inthe form of the NOAA official site, and contrail science and explanation..which you say should be a credible site, since YOUR professors rely on them for THEIR information..im saying ive SHON my proof, and youve called it bs, while at the same time acknowledging that your professors rely on them...well..youre just being silly then i suppose..

The plane is a:
PNNL Grumman Gulfstream 159 (G-1) and
This is what THIS plane is equipped for testing and what equipment it uses:
http://www.pnl.gov/atmospheric/programs/raf_capabs.stm
And here is an image i found showing the interior..
Note the identical Arched cabin Doorways...

Here is your image
Now you tell me exactly where all the spray is kept,
with all that computer equipment on board...

And i noticed this even before I found this proof of what that plane really is..all the nozzles were pointing FORWARD..really weird placement considering theyre supposed to spraying, but fits PERFECTLY with the explanation that they are gathering air samples for testing..doesnt it? See Link above for specifically what Atmopheric variables this plane is equipped to test..

And for the record, the explanation
following comes from a Battelle Relations Officer herself..
To clear up the misuse and misrepresentation on the net about the purpose of that neat little plane you showed me..as "proof".
You dont have to believe her though..
I dont care too much..works for me.
Im betting the lurkers would chalk this one up for LowSix..

From Andrew Griffin
3-2-5

After seeing the photos on Rense and Infowars, Pat Carr and I decided to e-mail Battelle's public relations officer, Katy Delaney at the Battelle corporate offices in Ohio. Here was the reply:

Thanks for sending that link and giving me the opportunity to correct the misinformation and inform you about the plane's research use.

The Gulfstream-1 pictured contains devices and probes for aerosol and turbulence measurements. These are not devices for spraying; they are for air intake and measurement.

The plane generally is involved in important environmental studies, ranging from understanding atmospheric processes to determining how long range transport of pollutants occurs.

Please contact me if you have any more questions.

Thanks,

Katy Delaney
Battelle

Further is a comment from a herbicide specialist who also states that the nozzles shown in no way resemble those that would be required to create a spray operation, as well as..the fact that to HOLD enough liquid for a spray op, the entire fuselage would essentially have to be a tank in itself..not full of computer MONITORING AND AIR TESTING equipment..

Dear Jeff,

I worked for an herbicide company for several years. Most of the planes we used were regular crop duster planes.

They had vessels on board to handle wet and pellet applications. I see no vessels on this airplane. I also do not see any personal protective equipment, or equipment for handling spills, fumes, gasses etc.

These Venturi tubes would normally be mounted away from the body to get an even distribution. They do not resemble any application equipment we used.

A spray applicator plane is basically an airborne water tank. A computer might have found its way into the fuselage since I was there, along with GPS, but this array of computer equipment is way over what you would need to put down a chemical.

Your other letter writer that indicates these are air-measuring devices seems to be on the mark.

Nice try, I will credit you for that.
had me nervous for all of Six whole minutes.

Next?

Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:27 pm » by **Huge1234**

hey lowsix

im not replying to say your wrong in what youve said... just wanna float a few of my thoughts out there... like you said... its been discussed a trillion times before and no doubt nearly every points has been argued and better argued

after i read your post... more specifically the clarification of what the image really shows that rense recieved... the 1st thing that popped into my head was... compartmentalization... suppose that the 'barrels' were in actual fact chemtrial barrels... i very much doubt that he or the company he worked for would of been privvy as to what the true nature of the setup was... i.e... it was to be used in a clandestine operation involving spraying the sky with chemtrails... however... i do suspect... that there probably would of been a cover story in place that would of been used to explain the purpose of the equipment in a totally 'innocent way'... the company and especially the guy... would of needed to know a purpose for the setup... so that they could design and build their components to intergate perfectly into the system... how else would they of known what they needed to build... or... what their system needed to do... and which parts were best suited to the job at hand... im not saying this is the absolute case... or that this is exactly whats happened ipso facto... just saying that compartmentalization is a proven fact... and it would be in operation if this was a black ops / classified project plane... chemtrails or not... your only told what you need to know to complete the task at hand... and this guy could just be repeating what he's been told

did a bit of looking into ITI inc... i think i found the company he referred to... although the guy who corrected rense was quite sketchy with company details... im pretty convinced that ITI inc is a company called... Instrument technology Inc... based at... 33 airport road, westfield, massachusetts...dunn and bradstreet (corperate credit check agency)

found iti's website : http://www.scopes.com/ .... had a little look around... then i went to confirm its address matched the one from dnb's webstie : http://www.scopes.com/contact.shtml... it was a match and i was happy i was at the right website... i was just about to click off the page and something caught my eye... it was the 1st line of the comapnies address on its contact us page.... it says... P.O. Box 381... which started alarm bells ringing cos i know what a post office box and why they are used... the majority of p.o boxes in the us are actually inside a post office... its simply just a secure box where your mail is delivered... anyone can own one... companies use them to filter their mail both on their premises and at the post office... universtities also use them to filter their mail too... but i also know they have been used by people fraudulently... both to create an illusion of a company and as a way to distance their scam away from anything that can be linked back to the purpertraitor... i.e... as a way of collecting cash & cheques sent by the public for goods and services that dont exist... it makes you harder to trace by angry customers and the authorities.... this is what a typical american p.o box looks like...

A post office box (commonly referred to as a PO Box or a Postal Box) is a uniquely-addressable lockable box located on the premises of a post office station.

*pic rehosted at imgur.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.O._Box

did a quick google to see if the was a post office / boxes on airport road... and there is... its at 110 airpord rd... and not at 33.... site location .... wierd thing is tho... theres also a car rental place at 110 airport rd... Enterprise Rent-A-Car - Westfield, MA... and oddly enough theres a restaurant also at 110 airport rd as well... The Runway Restaurant and Lounge ... i cant explain how this is possible because im not american and im unfamilier with how their postal service works... but it does seem a little odd that theres at least 3 businesses at 110 airport road... maybe its an office / business complex i dunno... also... airport road doesnt look to be that long... about 700 meters or so before you hit the entrance to the airport... and there is only room for developements down 1 side of it cos it runs parrallel with the outer boundary of the airport... airport rd map ... obviously this company based at no.33 cant be a massive outfit cos their wouldnt be the room... especially if theres at least 109 other buildings along that road too... would a 'smallish' company need to use a post box to filter their mail ?... and use a mailbox located at the opposite end of their own street ?... maybe im missing the point how shit works over there... atm tho... assuming this is the company hes reffering to... with what i know... it does seem a bit strange

then i looked into checking what type of goverment contacts (if any) they had been awarded... i was a little surprised to see that the majority of its gov contracts (by a long way)... was with the department of defence... which is totally irrellevant to verifying any conspiracies... just interesting to note that they have actually had many prior dealings with the dod... fedspending.org (public record of budget spending) ... i also noted a lack of contracts that involved the faa... who im assuming is a goverment run department ?... these records only go back to the year 2000 so there could of been before that... and theres a good possibility that they were contracted in and payed for by boeing and not the faa.

ted twietmeyer (whom i gather is a writer for rense.com)... offered a very detailed and very plausable explaination of the barrel photo... however... point no.3 to me raises a few concerns....

3. The "kegs" you see in the photo are filled with WATER, not chemicals. Water is pumped from one bank of aluminum kegs to another to change the center of gravity.

looking at the image... the setup definiately looks as if it could be used to shift a wieght around to simulate a shift of the centre of gravity... a very plausable idea... but as you can see in the picture... a considerable amount of the planes fuselage is being used for all the techy equipment racks (which arent evenly positioned on the centre axis of the plane... their weight distrubution could be correct however)... looking at those barrels... id say 1 of those full of water could easilly weigh the same as a man does... we can see theres at least 4 barrels to the right... at least 4 barrels in the centre... and its safe to assume theres at least 4 barrels on the left not displayed in the image... so they are simulating the a shift in weight of at least 12 men... u can see from the image that there are 6 passenger seats already in situe... and probably another row of 3 seats have been removed from the centre... so the fusalage is 9 seats accross... say 1 barrel takes up the space of 1 row of seats... we see 4 barrels... so thats 4 rows of 9 people.... thats 36 people & seats & hand luggage... so why only simulate a shift in weight thats only approx 1/3 of the total weight that would occupy that same area ?... this isnt alot of weight to be shifting around to testing out flight controls etc... how could this simulate the extremes of say loosing a wing or section of wing... or loosing an engine that weighs the best part of a tonne each... decompression of the fusalage from say a broken window or a fire on 1 side of the plane and the subsequent evacuation of all the passengers in that immedeiate vicinity to a safe area...

theres probably more barrels running behind the cameramans posititon... realistically tho... there cant be too many more cos a substancial area of the fusalage is already used up... even if there was... say 3x more barrels than we can actually see... simulating a shift in weight of at least 36 people (12b L +12b R + 12b C = 36b)... that means 12 rows of 9 people & seats & hand luggage... 108 people in total (12r x 9s = 108p) would occupy the same area as 36 fully laden barrels of water would... again just 1/3 of the weight... this is just a tiny percentage of the number of people thats packed onto a commercial flight...

its logial to state that every barrel would not be full... if they were... where would you pump the water to when shifting its centre gravity around ?... u need to leave at least all of the barrels on the left... or on right... or even down the centre... fully empty or all of the barrels partial full... so u had somewhere to pump the water to and from... so maybe ive over estimated how much weight is in 12 barrels say if only 9 of them contain liquid.

also another thing i noticed from this picture is they are only testing a shift of the center of gravity along 1 axis... left to right (port to starboard)... why arent they testing a shift from front to back (accend to decend) ?... is it impossible that a situation would arise where the majority of the planes weight would be shifted to the towards the rear of the plane consentrated on the left hand side ?... what im trying to say is you need to test multiple axis to assert that the control configuaration does as its supposed too should that situation arise....

ive tried to find reference to this type of control testing on other sites in the hope i could find a similar kinda setup to this... possibly a similar picture... i couldnt really find anything (i was pretty stoned by then

)... so for this reason... teds explaination is very plausable... quite likely... but not yet the definative explaination (as far as im concerned)... that totally debunks that image... i wonder if rense did any background and checked out the legitamcy of what ted said... too see if he actually worked for that company at the time he said he did... or if he just took his word for it because they are co-writers on rense.com ?... if he did nothing to verify what ted said about the picture was indeed true... how can what he said be taken as case closed... picture debunked ?... i mean if some ex-military says he saw ufos at area 51 in 198whatever... those who want to proove authenticity and those who want to proove otherwise... would insist on seeing proof that he is who he is and was where he was at that specific moment in time.... usually via that persons military service record... until that information is positively corobourated... his story is just story... once his idenitity is validated... and his post at area 51 also validated... then his story becomes more than just a story... it has alot more credibility.

yeah... quite wrongly i assumed that the many websites where id seen these images had done their homework regarding the origin these pics... your explaination is most likely the correct one... id say they are in keeping with what you'd expect to see on a plane testing atmospherics... so they are pretty much debunked... the 3rd image however isnt as easy to catagorically debunk...

what ive found out about this image... is thats it totally unconnected to the battelle atmospheric test plane... it is in fact a device / nozzle for squirting liquids out the back of a plane... its used in a system by the usaf aboard a boeing nkc-135a stratotanker (717-100)... to spray water onto the cockpits of aircraft so they could perform inflight icing tests... source

even with the above acknowledgement of what the giant nozzle is actually used for isnt enough to just to debunk the image... its a device on the back of a plane for the spraying of a liquid during flight... that could mean any type of liquid not just water... what this image in fact shows is a method of application that could be easilly used for producing chemtrails.

Further is a comment from a herbicide specialist who also states that the nozzles shown in no way resemble those that would be required to create a spray operation, as well as..the fact that to HOLD enough liquid for a spray op, the entire fuselage would essentially have to be a tank in itself..not full of computer MONITORING AND AIR TESTING equipment..

i think your refferring to crop dusters here and not a converted commerial planes... which is a logical assumption to make... crop dusters are little single engined planes usually... onboard a converted 747 or similar... theres more than enough space to store plenty of chemtrail juice for a good days spray...

something else new (to me) that i found on my travels was the following image of the inside of a tanker plane... this picture shows much bigger storage containers for liquids than there is in the 'ted' image...

i gotta ask... is orange trunking is a standard requirement in the aviation industry ?... if it isnt... then what do you reakon the chances are of my image being the arse end of the plane show in your image ?

hehe...

life would be so much easier for us if chemtrail planes were as easy to spot as this....