Scientist-climate change is a hoax by gravy train scientists

Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:53 pm » by **Drjones**

Russia's deadly wildfires, the smog-filled cities and poor harvest, are being seen by some environmentalists as signs of man-made climate change. But Piers Corbyn of the Weather Action Foundation says the heatwave is only down to climate cycles.

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:08 pm » by **Drjones**

Thought this was a great 52 mintues...Lindzen really commands attention. :flop:

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Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:27 pm » by **Cornbread714**

I'm watching this debate now. Both "experts" make a good case, in fact they are in agreement on a number of points. The jury is still out among the scientists and it's difficult to separate the political agendas and their accompanying rhetoric and propaganda from the confusing conclusions drawn by even objective scientific experts, as these two guys appear to be. Good debate.

But common sense tells me that beyond just the "greenhouse" issue that it would be idiotic to think that man has no significant effect on the climate. What does your common sense tell you?

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:38 pm » by **Troll2rocks**

It is a hoax, keep buying your carbon tokens. All serious scientists came forward and said as such, "the ones that backed the claim" are not experts and are instead bought and paid for. However nobody seems to give the proper scientists the limelight when it comes to this issue. Now they just giggle and laugh at this notion.

It is not real.

Look into it and what govenments and certain industry will gain from this bogus theory.

By the way, this theory also started getting attention in the early 70s and then went quiet.

Now its back again, and this time it has an agenda attached. and that agenda is carbon footprint and tax tokens.

Do some research people.

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:42 pm » by **Drjones**

Thanks guys.
@Corny,my common sense tells me that of course man made activity is having an impact on the environment,the earth... but that this impact has been blown out of all proportions,the Earth has been through much worse in relation to co2 levels etc.Sure i am for renewable energy,cleaner systems,little pollution,who is'nt but i don't think our lives should become more difficult through this transition should it occur,or that we become poorer financially in the process which seems to be the agenda here and thus the agenda= more control for the few over the many.THAT is what my common sense tells me,the entire 'climate change' agenda is a mind job.Thing is we the people genuinely love the planet and would love nothing more for us to care for it but the globalists complicate the issue,they actually care not for the health of the planet,they only seek to gain more power and control,'they' USE the 'Earth is in danger' angle to bring about THEIR plans...these people leading us into the green technology era to me will lead us into more disaster....we will lead less prosperous lives,a decreased standard of living and so forth whilst they live in their luxuriously in their mansions and jet set around the globe...

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:49 pm » by **Cornbread714**

troll2rocks wrote:It is a hoax, keep buying your carbon tokens. All serious scientists came forward and said as such, "the ones that backed the claim" are not experts and are instead bought and paid for. However nobody seems to give the proper scientists the limelight when it comes to this issue. Now they just giggle and laugh at this notion.

It is not real.

Look into it and what govenments and certain industry will gain from this bogus theory.

By the way, this theory also started getting attention in the early 70s and then went quiet.

Now its back again, and this time it has an agenda attached. and that agenda is carbon footprint and tax tokens.

Do some research people.

I have done some research and it's not that simple. People have been drinking the kool-aid on both sides of this fence. I choose not to. I'm not defending carbon-trading schemes or Al Gore's bullshit either, but I'm tired of people who dismiss any real debate on the subject by blindly choosing "sides" as you have obviously done.

You didn't even address my point.

You fail.

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:50 pm » by **lamonema**

It is the Sun and proof comes and will continue to come from observations of other planets in the solar system which are also getting warmer. :mrgreen:

Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:59 pm » by **Drjones**

lamonema wrote:It is the Sun and proof comes and will continue to come from observations of other planets in the solar system which are also getting warmer.

Yes,i believe the Sun is having the main impact of Earth climate,which is quite embarassing to say...really...great big ball of fire in the sky...anyway,as stated in the emails i received from John Casey from the Space science institute in Florida many years ago now...the sun concept is highly credible to me rather than it being c02.My common sense tells me co2 is just not ever going to be 'bad' for the Earth and that regardless of the level the Earth can cope comfortably,of course cutting down the rainforest is not going to help and neither is the worldwide weather modification programme,something which i have seen NO scientist discuss with regards to climate change,what is actually sprayed during weather modification is actually CO2 so that must be having an impact of co2 levels yes?...but like i say no one is factoring in this ridiculous activity...

Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:03 pm » by **Cornbread714**

My main point is that I think that man has an effect on climate and weather (and I'm not even talking about HAARP or deliberate attempts to manipulate it).

I welcome anyone to try to make the case that we don't have any significant effect and if I have to I'll drag out some evidence to support my case that has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect.

I just find it difficult to believe that common sense and personal observation haven't at least made some of you wonder.

Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:10 pm » by **lamonema**

One thing is possible with the continued rise in CO2 is that the higher it goes the worse the next Ice Age could be (action-reaction). However even if mankind were to vanish right now along with the carbon footprint, the cycle would still continue. Man surely is not totally responceable for global warming on Earth, anymore than man as responceable for the melting of the polar caps on Mars. The gravy train leads to hoaxville, were Al Gore is the Pres. :mrgreen: