CME's- The Sun, Its Happenings, and Potential
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:23 am » by Shaggietrip
Of course i can only go off info provided.
Some are saying as early as the 9th. It is a fast mover. I say the 10th. But that is a guess. Although it will be a glancing blow it will be charging the solar winds on or around the 10th as Earth passes through or it through Earth. How ever you look at it. I say the 10th and perhaps into the 11th. But it is only conjecture at this point.
It will be interesting to see what happens and how much it does charge the Solar winds.
Great question. my answer is some what held back but There is some data I just dont understand how to interpret.
Some are saying as early as the 9th. It is a fast mover. I say the 10th. But that is a guess. Although it will be a glancing blow it will be charging the solar winds on or around the 10th as Earth passes through or it through Earth. How ever you look at it. I say the 10th and perhaps into the 11th. But it is only conjecture at this point.
It will be interesting to see what happens and how much it does charge the Solar winds.
Great question. my answer is some what held back but There is some data I just dont understand how to interpret.
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:27 am » by The57ironman
Shaggietrip wrote:Of course i can only go off info provided.
Some are saying as early as the 9th. It is a fast mover. I say the 10th. But that is a guess. Although it will be a glancing blow it will be charging the solar winds on or around the 10th as Earth passes through or it through Earth. How ever you look at it. I say the 10th and perhaps into the 11th. But it is only conjecture at this point.
It will be interesting to see what happens and how much it does charge the Solar winds.
Great question. my answer is some what held back but There is some data I just dont understand how to interpret.
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:32 am » by Shaggietrip
I have miss spoke and possibly miss led.
Although the CME's can "Juice" up Solar winds and Magnetic lines a CME could never catch up to Solar winds.
I apologize in my speed of putting things together I had miss spoken.
Here is a great video with some good info.
Trudi Kay
Although the CME's can "Juice" up Solar winds and Magnetic lines a CME could never catch up to Solar winds.
I apologize in my speed of putting things together I had miss spoken.
Here is a great video with some good info.
Trudi Kay
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:03 pm » by Shaggietrip
I want to say first off. I stepped out of my bounds yesterday by posting some thing I did not fully research. Also I have not researched every tid bit before this post. But it holds more weight then just from my brain. I did have a hard time getting to sleep last night knowing this. So My 1st priority after work was to post quality info. No time to make this in video format so you will have to read.
Cme's and Solar winds.
Coronal mass ejections (CMEs) are eruptions into interplanetary space of as much as a few billion tons of plasma and embedded magnetic fields from the Sun's corona. In contrast to the steady-state solar wind, CMEs originate in regions where the magnetic field is closed and result from the catastrophic disruption of large-scale coronal magnetic structures, such as coronal streamers.
Fast CMEs --those traveling faster than the ambient solar wind-- are responsible for triggering large, nonrecurrent geomagnetic storms when they encounter the Earth's magnetosphere. Such storms can result from the passage either of the CME itself or of the shock created by the fast CME's interaction with the slower-moving solar wind. The majority of large and major geomagnetic storms are generated by the encounter with both the interplanetary shock and the CME that drives it. The "geoeffectiveness" of CMEs --i. e., their ability to disturb the Earth's magnetosphere-- is a function of their speed, the strength of their magnetic field, and the presence of a strong southward magnetic field component.
Source: http://pluto.space.swri.edu/image/glossary/cme.html
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The solar wind flows from the Sun’s hot, thin, outer atmosphere, the “corona”. The researchers were surprised to discover that the structure of the Sun’s cooler, dense lower atmosphere, called the chromosphere, could be used to estimate the speed of the solar wind.
The new work promises to increase the accuracy of space radiation forecasts. The Sun occasionally launches billion-ton blasts of electrified gas, called coronal mass ejections (CMEs), into space at millions of miles (kilometers) per hour. If a fast CME is plowing through slow solar wind, a shock builds up in front of the CME that accelerates the electrically charged solar wind particles. These fast particles can disrupt satellites and are hazardous to unprotected astronauts.
Source: http://www.universetoday.com/10537/solar-astronomers-getting-better-at-predicting-solar-wind/
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It also carries its own magnetic field (actually, since the solar wind is an extension of the
sun, it carries the sun’s magnetic field). Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions. During high solar activity, the solar wind can increase
in velocity and density, deforming the earth’s magnetic field even more, and pushing
more solar material into the earth’s atmosphere.
Much like the winds on earth are driven by the heating of the earth by solar energy, the
solar wind is driven by the energy within the sun’s corona. Coronal holes play a big part
in the formation of the solar wind.
CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere. How often they occur largely depends on solar activity.
During solar minimum, there may be one CME per week, and during solar maximum
there may be 2 or 3 a day.CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere. How often they occur largely depends on solar activity.
During solar minimum, there may be one CME per week, and during solar maximum
there may be 2 or 3 a day.
As the solar material of a CME streams towards earth, the orientation of its magnetic
field is vital. If its magnetic field points northward (the same direction as the Earth’s)
then the energy of the CME can be diverted by the magnetosphere. But if the CME field
is southward, then, like two opposing ends of a magnet, the energy is captured by our
magnetosphere.
(actually, since the solar wind is an extension of the
sun, it carries the sun’s magnetic field). Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions. During high solar activity, the solar wind can increase
in velocity and density, deforming the earth’s magnetic field even more, and pushing
more solar material into the earth’s atmosphere.
Source: http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Solar/files/Activity%20-%20WebQuest%20-%20The%20Big%20Three.pdf
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Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) or "storm" version of the Wang-Sheely-Arge (WSA)-Enlil model of the solar wind. While the sun constantly emanates an outward wind referred to as the solar wind (seen in the 'Ambient' model), at irregular intervals major eruptions originating at the Sun are propelled out with the solar wind. Variations in the density and speed in these storms is much more dramatic than on a "fair-weather" day. Knowing when these wind and density structures will arrive in advance is important because they produce geomagnetic storms and can pump up the Earth's radiation belts, creating problems for satellites. While the storm model is useful, even during fair-weather days there is something interesting happening.
The top plots shows solar wind density and the bottom plots show solar wind velocity. The circles on the left are a view from above the North Pole of the Sun and Earth, as if you are looking down from above. The Sun is the yellow dot in the center and the Earth is the green dot on the right. Also shown are the locations of the two STEREO satellites. The 'wedges' in the center are essentially a side view, with north at the top and south at the bottom. The graphs on the right show the model predictions for density and velocity at the specific locations of Earth and the two STEREO spacecraft. The yellow vertical line is in sync with the movies on the left, so you can see how the values of density and velocity correspond to particular solar wind structures.
Source: Ufostore1
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More great info here: https://wiki.oulu.fi/display/SpaceWiki/Magnetospheric+electric+field
I do hope this cleared anything that was miss-represented up.
Cme's and Solar winds.
Coronal mass ejections (CMEs) are eruptions into interplanetary space of as much as a few billion tons of plasma and embedded magnetic fields from the Sun's corona. In contrast to the steady-state solar wind, CMEs originate in regions where the magnetic field is closed and result from the catastrophic disruption of large-scale coronal magnetic structures, such as coronal streamers.
Fast CMEs --those traveling faster than the ambient solar wind-- are responsible for triggering large, nonrecurrent geomagnetic storms when they encounter the Earth's magnetosphere. Such storms can result from the passage either of the CME itself or of the shock created by the fast CME's interaction with the slower-moving solar wind. The majority of large and major geomagnetic storms are generated by the encounter with both the interplanetary shock and the CME that drives it. The "geoeffectiveness" of CMEs --i. e., their ability to disturb the Earth's magnetosphere-- is a function of their speed, the strength of their magnetic field, and the presence of a strong southward magnetic field component.
Source: http://pluto.space.swri.edu/image/glossary/cme.html
___________________________
The solar wind flows from the Sun’s hot, thin, outer atmosphere, the “corona”. The researchers were surprised to discover that the structure of the Sun’s cooler, dense lower atmosphere, called the chromosphere, could be used to estimate the speed of the solar wind.
The new work promises to increase the accuracy of space radiation forecasts. The Sun occasionally launches billion-ton blasts of electrified gas, called coronal mass ejections (CMEs), into space at millions of miles (kilometers) per hour. If a fast CME is plowing through slow solar wind, a shock builds up in front of the CME that accelerates the electrically charged solar wind particles. These fast particles can disrupt satellites and are hazardous to unprotected astronauts.
Source: http://www.universetoday.com/10537/solar-astronomers-getting-better-at-predicting-solar-wind/
__________________________
It also carries its own magnetic field (actually, since the solar wind is an extension of the
sun, it carries the sun’s magnetic field). Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions. During high solar activity, the solar wind can increase
in velocity and density, deforming the earth’s magnetic field even more, and pushing
more solar material into the earth’s atmosphere.
Much like the winds on earth are driven by the heating of the earth by solar energy, the
solar wind is driven by the energy within the sun’s corona. Coronal holes play a big part
in the formation of the solar wind.
CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere. How often they occur largely depends on solar activity.
During solar minimum, there may be one CME per week, and during solar maximum
there may be 2 or 3 a day.CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere. How often they occur largely depends on solar activity.
During solar minimum, there may be one CME per week, and during solar maximum
there may be 2 or 3 a day.
As the solar material of a CME streams towards earth, the orientation of its magnetic
field is vital. If its magnetic field points northward (the same direction as the Earth’s)
then the energy of the CME can be diverted by the magnetosphere. But if the CME field
is southward, then, like two opposing ends of a magnet, the energy is captured by our
magnetosphere.
(actually, since the solar wind is an extension of the
sun, it carries the sun’s magnetic field). Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions. During high solar activity, the solar wind can increase
in velocity and density, deforming the earth’s magnetic field even more, and pushing
more solar material into the earth’s atmosphere.
Source: http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Solar/files/Activity%20-%20WebQuest%20-%20The%20Big%20Three.pdf
_______________________
Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) or "storm" version of the Wang-Sheely-Arge (WSA)-Enlil model of the solar wind. While the sun constantly emanates an outward wind referred to as the solar wind (seen in the 'Ambient' model), at irregular intervals major eruptions originating at the Sun are propelled out with the solar wind. Variations in the density and speed in these storms is much more dramatic than on a "fair-weather" day. Knowing when these wind and density structures will arrive in advance is important because they produce geomagnetic storms and can pump up the Earth's radiation belts, creating problems for satellites. While the storm model is useful, even during fair-weather days there is something interesting happening.
The top plots shows solar wind density and the bottom plots show solar wind velocity. The circles on the left are a view from above the North Pole of the Sun and Earth, as if you are looking down from above. The Sun is the yellow dot in the center and the Earth is the green dot on the right. Also shown are the locations of the two STEREO satellites. The 'wedges' in the center are essentially a side view, with north at the top and south at the bottom. The graphs on the right show the model predictions for density and velocity at the specific locations of Earth and the two STEREO spacecraft. The yellow vertical line is in sync with the movies on the left, so you can see how the values of density and velocity correspond to particular solar wind structures.
Source: Ufostore1
_______________________________________
More great info here: https://wiki.oulu.fi/display/SpaceWiki/Magnetospheric+electric+field
I do hope this cleared anything that was miss-represented up.
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:48 pm » by The57ironman
Shaggietrip wrote:
CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere.
..........................................................
Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions.
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...shaggie , are there any studies done on what influences there are on lightning...?..that's a discharge of sorts , right..?...does that energy get released as light or just transfered back to earth all the time...?...do you think all of the suns magnetic energy is absorbed by the earth..?...and wouldn't the earth need to balance itself with , say , ...electrical storms...?...possibly volcanic..?
..
am i out in left field..?...or have i not paid close enough attention... 
(..i'm thinkin' i'm over thinkin' too much)
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:24 pm » by Shaggietrip
The57ironman wrote:Shaggietrip wrote:
CME’s pose the greatest threat to our everyday life here on earth. These enormous
explosions of material in the corona of the sun are responsible for significant inputs of
energy into our magnetosphere.
..........................................................
Most of the solar wind is diverted away from the
earth by the earth’s magnetic field, but some of the plasma makes its way into the earth’s
atmosphere through the open magnetic field lines at the poles. This explains the source
of the auroras at the polar regions.
.
...shaggie , are there any studies done on what influences there are on lightning...?..that's a discharge of sorts , right..?...does that energy get released as light or just transfered back to earth all the time...?...do you think all of the suns magnetic energy is absorbed by the earth..?...and wouldn't the earth need to balance itself with , say , ...electrical storms...?...possibly volcanic..?
..
(..i'm thinkin' i'm over thinkin' too much)
.
No you are not out in left field.
That is quite a list of questions. 1st two I say yes. I would have to search and read through them before posting. To be honest I do not want to dedicate that much time at this point.
The 3rd "does that energy get released as light or just transfered back to earth all the time...?"
My opinion would be both and more. It is an exchange so to say. Positive negative. Back and forth . The sun does charge the Ionosphere and magnetic flux. As the earth charges it must release. and vise versa. It is a very deep topic. Which I have tried to explain in the Earth Sun lightning vids.
Prt2
prt3 jump to 6:48
To fully understand what I was explaining you may have to start from the intro
here are links if so interested.
In order and in full
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUHXmqzmJ4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj4vLMZ1Xxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAD300O_Ubc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar1Z8Q8Q5eM
Sorry about late reply and if I cut off on answering. Friend came by with some beers and now its time to BBQ.
repost anything that I have not answered at this point and I will try to re-address it.
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:00 am » by Shaggietrip
Well here is a vintage video for all of you. Keep in mind earth pressure sun releasing plasma electrons and all we have learned on this thread.
This is from 1945 [some science may be outdated]. That may keep some interested in watching. I for one would not post it if i did not think it of some substance. Hang in there some good knowledge.
Little change up. hope ya like?
Here is to old school
This is from 1945 [some science may be outdated]. That may keep some interested in watching. I for one would not post it if i did not think it of some substance. Hang in there some good knowledge.
Little change up. hope ya like?
Here is to old school
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:08 am » by The57ironman
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...thanks shaggie , for all the info...i've still got to make time for those last 4 videos in your previous post
....this is all valuable stuff , imo...
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Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:14 am » by Shaggietrip
The57ironman wrote:
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...thanks shaggie , for all the info...i've still got to make time for those last 4 videos in your previous post
....this is all valuable stuff , imo...
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If one thinks this may not be of interest jump to 17:50 and listen .
This jigsaw puzzle is really not that hard. Some have put it together and have been hushed.
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