Ok, so the follow up question is this..(respectfully)

What does the Buddhist have to fear?

lol... I never claimed expertise....in anything. In fact if you did indeed read all my posts you would have caught where I many times state "There is no one qualified to give spiritual guidance because it is all opinion".

Its like a mantra with me, along with "Jesus was a fag" (j/k)

And now you want to ask me 20 questions on the worlds biggest depository of information? Ok genius, I'll bite.

Which Sect or Branch of Buddhism are we talking?

nothing really .. the only thing they strive for is the detachment of the ego the quelling of the small minded chatter(the ego). and theirs is a belief that all sentient beings have value from the fly to the human.the nice thing about bhuddism is it doess not force itself upon you its accepts you for who you are. lol most practioners would prefer that you be a vegetarian of course as to not harm sentient beings ,but its not the modus operandi of bhuddism

Any Sect. Take your pick.

Simple, unloaded question..this is big picture stuff..
You dont even have to know there are different sects.

Just show me where the fear-mongering of Buddhism lies.
What is the Buddhist afraid of..like the Christian is afraid.

Im not going to attack your answer, im seeing if it is possible to have a dialogue..
I am trying to determine if you are being honest in your willingness to discuss...

Good point wolf..
we are headed somewhere with that..

Not being a Buddhist or living like one I couldn't begin to tell you what they fear. I would imagine though it would involve being reincarnated over and over without reaching enlightenment.

Also, if you really read my posts you would have caught where I stated If I had to pick a religion it would be Buddhism, but I reject it as bullshit as well because it has a hierarchy. All people are equal in my eyes.

I may think you are a fool for believing this shit, but I have done foolish things myself, so I am no better than anyone else.

I am not the all knowing Low6! lol

You nailed it right on the head.
100%

the second part would be to correct the 'hierarchy' statement insofar as buddhism, in its street application, also feels that all are inherently equal.

So that brings me to the object lesson of the question.

Where is the external "control" mechanism in the internal fear of being reincarnated over and over again, if there is no 'church' to preach punishment? Buddhism doesnt require a church ot accurately convey its message.

But then again, neither does Christianity...when you actually read what it says, rather than listen to those who are telling you what it says..

So..

In NEITHER religion, do we have an actual PUNISHER.....

We have consequences to actions.

What is the fallible message in that?
How is that misleading?
How is that a controlling, rather than guiding message?

Answer is that there is no fallible message in declaring that actions have consequences.

IT is not misleading at all, its a commons sense statement on a cosmic scale.

And there is no control whatsoever, other than a message of SELF control.


Idiots (preachers,priests, dogmatic messengers, imams issuing fatwahs, Atheists, and christians condemning gays..all fall under the category of those agsint whom Christ raged..and for the reasons that he tore apart the stalls of the money changers in the church, and against the Pharisees whom he saw conducting themselves in their blasphemous manners...paying more attention to LAW (dogma), than Grace (living forgiveness for being human)..

No contradiction, no fear, and no control....other than self control.

Approx 90% of the portraits painted of Jesus in FACT show him displaying the "no Fear" sign with his hands just as with most iterationsof the Buddhas, and even Kali..presumable the most terrifying figure in ALL of mythology.......meaning the artists understood the message.

Well if religion functioned as you present it we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we?

Religion will never function in that way because men created it and men run it, and men speak for the so called Gods.

So in the end we have a great "Evil" in the world that people want to keep so they don't have to keep thinking about the big questions.

How exactly is this helping humanity?

The major religions have had their time. Verdict?

Look at the world...They fucking epic fail.

Lets evolve, shall we?

So if you know that fallible men are attempting to speak for god, in judgmental and politically coercive ways....and you are able to articulate that concept cleanly....

Then, why would you steadfastly refuse to hold MEN accountable (as you have done here), instead of incorrectly asserting that their actions disprove the existence of god? (which it does not do, even to the imaginationally stretched among us), based on a faulty cause-proof-..ie faulty men.

Then, doesnt MAN deserve the criticism instead of God?
And wouldnt you be MORE correct in saying..
"Evil Men Bear the responsibility"?

Because the existence of evil men in no way whatsoever,
supports your assertion that there is no god. And since evil men exist in all walks of life, it is an overgeneralization to assert that their presence in the Church negates what the church is...

Just as one bad teacher, doesnt negate or disprove the ideal behind improving one's education..right?

Well there is no god. So yes, men are ultimatly responsible since they did invent these "faiths"

Funny how so many here are against the NWO yet they hold tightly to the last NWO which met in Constantinople some 1700 years ago.

It's the same deal folks! Except back then a larger portion of the population was ignorant and illiterate. They have been dumbing us down for the next incarnation of the NWO.

The simple fact, and the ONLY reason i address any of it, becuase people ARE entitled to their own beliefs, so long as they stake those to something they can either prove, disprove or recognize that they can neither prove NOR disprove..

You are making this logical error over and over again.

Just becuase you dont believe there is a god, doesnt mean there is no god.
Becase you dont have evidence for a god, doesnt mean you have Proof.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

The strongest statement you can honestly make..and it frames you back here on earth with everyone else who has OPINIONS...is that..in your OPINION, you do not believe god exists..

Anything past that gets the same accusations of proofless bullshit which you love to pull on the christians.

And thats as far as you can go.
Makes you the same as everyone else, including those who DO believe.
You are exactly the same.


Again, im not examining your beliefs, im examining your LOGIC.
HUGE GINORMOUS DIFFERENCE...and a very important one too.
Youve said over and over again, that im full of shit, or that im a fool, or other blah blah blah stuff, but really, youve never examined my belief..since my beliefs are not up for your scrutiny. So im not preaching from a moral high ground or a Christian persepctive, or scriptural reference.....im preaching from a logical high ground. Ive been doing it as a show of respect from the beginning..but the gesture has been missed by every single person who comes away thinking im Bible Thumping.

I have always argued the validity of the bible without using a single verse of it.
Not that i expected credit for it, but figured it would be far more appreciated that someone who comes into spout verse to make their case. I get back the same ignorant responses without any due consideration of HOW ive discussed the issue or how i have framed them within a modern, well read, and widely compared persepective...so attempting to address this in a progressive manner didnt pay off either.

Just a bunch of very angry people, so angry that they can no longer learn...and are TERRIFIED about learning something about themselves, thay may have been addressed by a book like the bble ....or others like it. TERRIFIED of being judged for what they do. I think thats the most common TRUE source for rejection of REligion. They feel like they are being told that they cant indulge in some counterproductive bahavior that they love indulging. I really think it is that simple..people hate being judged..even by themselves..its whty they do shit so they dont have to, like drinking and smoking....(both of which i do, btw)

So overall, i dont care anymore if people insist on being exactly like the christians they hate. Their choice. There are a few others though, that really get what ive been trying to do respectfully, even if sharply, and they know that i dont get angry about beliefs in and of themselves, i get angry at the shitty logic and poor educations being passed off as "Proof that the Christian is retarded"....and the continuous stream of insults issuing from your camp.

so please, keep THAT part straight at least..as we debate these items over time.


Im LOGIC thumping..that way, we dont even have to talk about specific sets of dogma in religions, we can deal with WHAT They really are. And then, once we start doing that, how you go about, placing your blocks of logic in a row to make a case for against "christian fools"..you better have your ducks in a row..because i will attack the logic which UNDERPINS your beliefs..which is far more effective than attacking your beliefs directly.