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PostMon Aug 22, 2011 9:48 pm » by Kris75


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Source: reuters // Reuters

NATO WARPLANE INTERCEPTS SCUD MISSILE FIRED FROM SIRAT CITY IN LIBYA, AL JAZEERA REPORTS

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/nato ... -city-in-l

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Very loud explosion heard in #Misrata today, reports that it was a scud missile fired by G forces but was hit by NATO. #Libya

http://inagist.com/LibyanDictator/10572 ... _missile_f



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PostMon Aug 22, 2011 10:22 pm » by Kris75


NATO shoots down scud missile in Libya - Jazeera

Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:48pm GMT (Makes clear missile fired from Sirte)

CAIRO Aug 22 (Reuters) - A NATO warplane shot down a scud missile fired from Sirte, Muammar Gaddafi's home city east of Tripoli, Al-Jazeera TV reported on Monday citing information received by one of its correspondents.

The missiles can carry nuclear, chemical and conventional payloads and can cause heavy damage.


Gaddafi's forces, battling a rebellion that is on the verge of toppling the long-time leader, had fired a scud missile earlier in the August which landed in the desert and hurt no one. (Reporting by Yasmine Saleh; Writing by Richard Valdmanis)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews ... 6X20110822

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PostTue Aug 23, 2011 12:32 am » by Kris75


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:o NATO says Gaddafi forces fire three Scud-type rockets :o

BRUSSELS | Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:11pm BST

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Libyan government forces fired three Scud-type missiles on Monday from the area of Sirte, Muammar Gaddafi's home town, towards the coastal city of Misrata in central Libya, NATO said.

The western alliance said initial reports showed the rockets landed most likely at sea or on the shore, and NATO was not aware of any casualties or damage.

"We confirm reports concerning the firing of three surface-to-surface missiles on Monday evening," a NATO official said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/08/2 ... 4H20110822


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PostTue Aug 23, 2011 1:14 pm » by Kris75


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How Did Gadhafi Keep His Scud Missiles for So Long?

As his regime collapsed, Moammar Gadhafi’s forces fired a Scud-B missile at the advancing rebels. This was same type of missile that Gadhafi agreed to eliminate as part of his renunciation of weapons of mass destruction.

Obviously, that didn’t happen. So, how did Gadhafi’s Scud force outlast Gadhafi himself? That’s an interesting story.

Initially, Gadhafi only pledged to “modify” Libya’s Scud-B missiles to comply with the Missile Technology Control Regime, the international effort to curb the spread of “unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction.” According to an April 2004 article by Judy Miller, Libya “had decided to convert the missiles so that their range was less than 185 miles with a payload of less than 1,100 pounds.” Libyan and U.S. officials, according to Miller, were discussing a monitoring arrangement to ensure that the conversion was “irreversible.” If that sounds odd to you, it certainly sounded odd to arms control blogger Paul Kerr, who got a U.S. official to admit that “the United States is ‘not sure’ the plan is feasible.” (Apparently, the Libyans considered reducing the fuel tanks or adding weight to the missile.)

Eventually, the United States persuaded Gadhafi to just eliminate the Scud-B force. In September 2004, the U.S., UK and Libya signed a Trilateral “Agreement on the Disposition of Scud-B Missiles” that committed Libya to eliminate its Scud-Bs by a generous September 2009 deadline.


The U.S. offered to take 10 Scud-B missiles off Gadhafi’s hands, according to a February 2005 Yedi’ot Aharonot article, but “the Libyans seized the opportunity to demand from them to buy all the 417 missiles in their possession at the astronomic total of $834 million.” The U.S. does, on occasion, use live Scuds in missile defense tests, but wasn’t willing to part with more than $800 million for a Scud force that was ” aging and suffers from maintenance problems.”

Once Libya agreed to eliminate, rather than modify, the Scud-B force, Libya began seeking a replacement. Gadhafi, as Alex Bollfrass reported in 2007 in Arms Control Today, eventually settled on the Russian Iskander-E. Libyan officials may have believed that the United States was obligated to help Libya procure a replacement. They appear to have been upset to learn that the United States objected to the Iskander sale, instead suggesting shorter-range Russian and Ukrainian alternatives that Libya deemed unacceptable. Washington was also not enthusiastic about Libya’s bid to join the Missile Technology Control Regime, which Tripoli believed would ease future missile procurement.

It seems the United States relented on the issue of the Iskander-E after a few months, but by then the Russian price had doubled. The Libyans were incensed — or at least acted incensed — by all this and refused to eliminate the Scud-B force until a replacement was procured, preferably the Iskander-E at the original purchase price. The September 2009 deadline came a went. A pair of cables released by Wikileaks pick up the story at this point and fill in some of the details outlined by the two articles in Arms Control Today.

There are any number of interesting cables that document the broader Libyan disillusionment with the United States, including a standoff over the removal of some highly enriched uranium that Max Fisher detailed in The Atlantic.

The most detailed WikiLeaked cable on the Scud-B issue is an account of a February 2010 meeting between General Ahmed Azwai, the head of Libya’s Scud-B destruction program, and Gene Cretz, the U.S. Ambassador in Tripoli, entitled, “Libya Insists Ball in U.S. Court on Scud B Alternative.” Azwai recounts the torturous negotiations over the Scud-B missiles following the 2004 trilateral agreement, ultimately arguing somewhat melodramatically that “I will not allow 12,000 Libyan soldiers to remain unarmed and vulnerable. If I give up their weapons before I have a replacement, they will turn on me.”

Obviously, they may have had other reasons for turning on him.

A second cable adds an interesting wrinkle to this story. While the U.S., UK and Libya were formally haggling over the Iskander-E issue, Saif al-Qadhafi approached the U.S. Ambassador in Tripoli in September 2009 and suggested that France might sell Libya its SCALP air-launched cruise missile. (I have discussed SCALP sales to the UAE and Saudi Arabia in a pair of previous posts.) France separately, however, told the US that selling SCALP to Libya was “too sensitive.” In the February 2010 cable, Cretz speculated that the “the proposal may have been an independent move by Saif.”

This is, as far as I can tell, basically where we were when the Arab Spring hit, Gadhafi’s grip faltered and allied aircraft started a noncooperative threat reduction program aimed at eliminating the remaining Scud-Bs. The initial launch of a Scud-B prompted speculation about an impending “blitz” of Scud missiles that never materialized.

There are any number of really interesting aspects to this story.

The most interesting aspect to me is Libya’s insistence on getting as close to the MTCR threshold as possible. It seems likely that Libya intended to reduce the amount of conventional explosive in the warhead of any replacement system, as Iraq did with the al-Husayn missile, to maintain a conventional deterrent at ranges significantly in excess of 300 km. I had forgotten that, after the 1986 U.S.-led bombing raid on Tripoli, Libya fired two conventionally-armed Scud-B missiles fired at U.S. naval facilities on the Italian island of Lampedusa. “If we had a deterrent force of missiles able to reach New York we would have directed them at that very moment,” Gadhafi explained.

I am always struck at how much value certain Middle Eastern potentates place in conventionally-armed ballistic missiles. I have never really understood the Saudi decision to purchase medium-range ballistic missiles from China because such missiles are simply too inaccurate for a conventional warhead to offer much military utility. Perhaps, however, I might feel differently about the political value of such weapons if I had, as the Saudis did, a front row seat for the War of the Cities. Saddam certainly decided that 190 kg of explosive was enough as long as it got there.

This is, in a way, the question that Brian Palmer at Slate attempted to answer in his essay “Why Do So Many Dictators Use Scud Missiles?“ Palmer’s conclusion is that a Scud is “the easiest way to terrorize nearby enemies.” It is easy to forget that the first use of ballistic and cruise missiles — the V weapons — were Nazi efforts to terrorize the British during World War II. It seems Middle Eastern leaders value being able to shoot back, if only for the sake of reprisal. Libya’s interest in SCALP — a very expensive air launched cruise missile — as a replacement for the relatively low-tech Scud-B casts recent cruise missile purchases by the UAE and Saudi Arabia in this somewhat different light.

Perhaps there is a missile race underway in the Middle East, but we just haven’t noticed it.

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PostTue Aug 23, 2011 7:10 pm » by Endless16


Wonder how long it will be from the time the west destroys Libya & the inevitable religious takeover & new war that follows.
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