College Conspiracy

Sun May 15, 2011 8:26 pm » by **Domdabears**

College education is the largest scam in U.S. history http://inflation.us

Sun May 15, 2011 8:30 pm » by **Tuor10**

The same thing happens in Britain.
There are so many mickey mouse degree's that are basically useless in the job market.

Sun May 15, 2011 9:13 pm » by **Boondox681**

thanx bears..i'm dl it now.looks good.

Sun May 15, 2011 11:16 pm » by **Mediasorcerer**

there running the same scams here in aus for a too,uni is a control paradigm,if anyone shows any kind of free thinking"like i did" they shut u out or down,ridicule you,undermine your genius,and are jealous too.

Sun May 15, 2011 11:37 pm » by **Hesop**

I'm d'lin it now too.
Very true. The rise of the "have to have a degree" mentality is no more than any other type of prejudice.
A quick realization comes, when you present a resume to a company, that shows a high success rate (experience) in your field, well documented by presentations and awards from past employers, only to find you have been found unacceptable for that position, for lack of "any" degree. The person actually hired, turns out to be some 22 year old girl, with a 2 year psychology degree, and no work eperience whatsoever.

Having seen firsthand, a good employee with four years of on the job experience, is far ahead of a new four year graduate. The new graduates were very often pretty slow to accept how the real world operates, often thought their degree should offer them some sort of entitlement, and should help keep them from some lesser duties (thus the learn from experience).
A degree, is simply NOT a guarantee of knowledge or understanding.
Certainly, we have several here, that have spent many years, reading the same college books, same field studies, and keeping up with new discoveries and theories, that are most likely more knowledgeable on some subjects than recent graduates. Yet are considered unworthy in society for lack of that piece of paper.

Sun May 15, 2011 11:46 pm » by **Epicfailure**

I agree and disagree with this film....

it's alot like Zeitgeist, they make some good speculative points, but then again some pretty general ones that don't apply to all....

I do agree with Hesop that most student's don't know what the real world is like, and usually lack experience in the process of the actual job they are going for vs. someone who has been doing that very same thing with experience on the field...

but I also disagree, because some people work in an area where their degree takes them, while they are at school, like teachers for schooling working for daycare's and volunteering to help out at schools.

Also the hobbyist type people who feel that their skills in Engineering or Mechanics are good enough, but know full well that they won't get a job unless they go to school to prove how good they are, and if they know what they are doing....

of course all of this doesn't mean jack if you don't choose a good school (like Online schools and small time for profit only schools that are :roll:

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Especially in Today's economy where jobs are limited, they are right on that. If you go to school for a field that is already over stuffed and you went because it was the easiest schooling, well prepare to disappointed if you can't find a job right away for people trying to get the scraps of those still left.

one day I would like to return to school, but I will change my Major and Minor.

Sun May 15, 2011 11:47 pm » by **Domdabears**

epicfailure wrote:
one day I would like to return to school, but I will change my Major and Minor.

I'm goin back to school also.
Going to the Community college by me and maybe do some HVAC

Mon May 16, 2011 1:48 am » by **Thebluecanary**

Honestly Dom, I think that going to community college to learn a trade is the way to go. I grew up being told that having a four year college degree would guarantee me a job, as if it was a magic ticket to grown-up land. However, seeing as how I have two bachelors degrees AND a masters I suppose I'm proof otherwise...my fault for focusing on "soft" sciences where the jobs have pretty much dried up, I guess.

If I'd gone to a two-year school to be a machinist, I'd be much better off.

Mon May 16, 2011 2:16 am » by **Epicfailure**

thebluecanary wrote:Honestly Dom, I think that going to community college to learn a trade is the way to go. I grew up being told that having a four year college degree would guarantee me a job, as if it was a magic ticket to grown-up land. However, seeing as how I have two bachelors degrees AND a masters I suppose I'm proof otherwise...my fault for focusing on "soft" sciences where the jobs have pretty much dried up, I guess.

If I'd gone to a two-year school to be a machinist, I'd be much better off.

Indeed, that is what I am doing now in a way, but let me ask you...

would being a machinist make you happy?

Mon May 16, 2011 7:05 am » by **Mangosteen**

My first post here, woo.

I watched this documentary earlier today, and I found it to be quite interesting as a prospective college student. I went through one year of college in the US at a school that I utterly disliked, and I'm now in the process of deciding where to go & what to do next. I guess you could say that this documentary is pretty timely for me.

In my one year of school I found a few things which are reflected in this documentary. First, my peers are overwhelmingly socially and politically conformist. There is virtually no understanding of the differences between individualism (aka, liberty - the basis for the American Political Experiment) and collectivism, although my peers tended to espouse collectivist ideas about government whenever we talked about politics. (I guess we ARE the Obama generation...) Students (generally, average students) actually think it's good for them and for their country that they're able to obtain "easy money" in the form of loans so that they can attend a 4 year college and study things like "Communications" and "[fill in the blank] studies". Not to mention that, in my experience, my peers have appalling work ethics and consistently rely on buying Adderall, in order to allow the majority of their work/studying in any given semester to take place only at the last minute. Do I expect that these people are going to be able to work hard enough in the real world to pay back the money that was so carelessly handed to them by the US Government? No. Do I expect that these loans, when they can not be paid back by their recipients, will end up getting thrust on the American tax payers (like in the case of the Wall St bailouts)? Yeah, probably. Do I wonder how long the system has been like this? Yep (see the end of my post). And what about the hardworking people from my generation (me, for example) who want to be educated, but don't want to be in debt?

Another thing that I found: people I was living/studying with were completely astonished that there was somebody among them that could actually write a coherent sentence. I understand that everybody comes from different backgrounds, but I'm talking about people who were good or even "great" students in high school. It blew my mind to see such a lack of communication skills in such a large portion of so-called intelligent/informed people.

Not to mention that every class I went to was a sea of expensive laptops with Facebook open...

I probably sound like a complete tight ass. (Great job fucking up my first post, right?) The fact that having opinions and being able to communicate them, and placing that skill on par with partying in terms of importance, is seen as "weird" and "wrong" in today's college environment, is pretty fucking scary. I like to rage hard on the weekends and chill out during the week as much as anybody, but my one year of college was completely disheartening.

To those of you who got your degrees, and to those of you who decided to go a different path - what is the reality of financial life after college/high school in the 2011 economy? This documentary would have me believe that I'm destined to a debt-slave hell of an existence if I want to become "educated" or take part in higher learning.