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[Nickelson Profile]

The silence says it all

[jetxvii]

Could you kindly explain "tool response" I do not understand what you mean by that?

And thanks for your expansive response I try to be respectful here to response on your post, but you apparently are deeply in need to see what respect means in life. Your response to my post is ridiculous and shows you live in the past. Strange because you are a young guy still and especially you should know better.

And for the rest, please live a social life, because humankind is in need for help, care and especially respect.

I am just dropping it because you don't understand the difference between what our officials do, compared to what our constitution says they can do and how the healthcare issue could have been resolved without taxing people, inflation, without making big Pharma rich, making sure people have jobs, making sure that welfare isn't needed because of those jobs, etc...

sorry I didn't read your whole post only the part until you said "sorry I didn't read this part" where it was exactly where I explained you are taking our policies being inflicted by people, not by what our constitution said.

I did however review the last part of your statements, and I agree everyone should have the right to health-care but why should I have to pay for it when a poor, lazy, uneducated, fat un-healthy person isn't paying for it?

but like I said you support the part where the "government" does it for you and wipes you up and changes your dirty diaper for you.

and American constitutional republic would have recognized the unlawfulness and monopolizing insurance industry and said either you get with the program and legally fulfill your obligations to provide insurance, or face the legal consequences.

so on that basis I have simply just dropped it, because I realized that is where the difference in opinion lies. the question isn't whether it is right or not, the question is if it is being "done" right or not, and it certainly isn't.

with all due respect, you know nothing of me, you know nothing of my respect, you no nothing of the mannerisms and the expression of my "text" which of lately everyone seems to think is hurtful...

Well the truth hurts, respectful or not I will not censor my opinion, but don't call me disrespectful because you failed to see the difference of opinion, I think disrespectful is a government having you pay for someone unmotivated, unable to function in a work place, uses drugs and that is there day... or some welfare recipient that has 8 kids so she can collect more welfare.

There are people that deserve it that can not afford it, but that is not because they simply can not afford it it is because of the hi-jacked system of corporate run governments which is prominent in most leading countries and even some not prominent countries, these aren't countries anymore they are corporations with the biggest bidder, if this was a country there would be American Jobs where everyone could work.

but we are told that the simple solution to get that health-care is to cover it with another band-aid? instead of addressing the real issues and abuse of our government and the control they have over your lives, but yet put them in position to come up with a band-aid for their failures?

that is why it was a "tool" response, because you have been pampered with your health-care probably in a similar context as our system, but your laws I know nothing about so I won't give an opinion on how "YOUR" health-care operates...

for all you know it could be going to big pharmaceutical agencies and corrupt politicians, or lead to a European Union........???

but no that didn't or won't happen....

I mean no disrespect Nickleson and in fact I wasn't the one to disrespect anyone on this thread except Ziggy. The only reason I wrote anything to counter anything you foreigners said is because I saw people from outside our country talking about how this is a good thing when they know nothing of our true policies, and the fact that you were the first one to disrespect anyone from the USA that didn't support this as "USsies" meaning pussies....

or did you forget that already?

now who is disrespectful?

and how are we pussies when we don't want our diaper changed for us? that doesn't seem to make sense.

[jetxvii]

Hi all,

Find it so sad to see how most of you feel about healthcare change in Amerika.

Im from the Netherlands and i can tell you truly there is nothing to be affraid off, and you will be better of.

When is the american man going to realise that you have to share, have to give to get, and to build a country you have to do it brick by brick.

Here everybody gets help doesnt mather if you got money or not, black or white so what is the problem than i think...

Most off you are scared because youve been fed by fear and greed and dont look further than bullshit storys of Fox News.

I think it is great that every man, woman and child can get help when needed.
And i hope you all get the same system we got here.

nice day and share the love

This is my default response for anyone that says these things from now on:

Have you read our constitution? does Fox News report anything that is constitutional? do you realize our country and the appearance you people see is not how our country is really supposed to be run?

Do you realize I don't and haven't watched fox news for years? or any scripted news program for that matter?

Do you think it is right to pay for an un-employeed, un-motivated, drug user, with 8 kids to collect more government money, and pay for their healthcare when they have no motivations of doing it for themselves?

are you apart of a European union? or a union of any kind?

do you believe the only way to get affordable health-care for everyone is to have the government put a Band-aid bill into effect even though they are the cause of lack of health-care and jobs?

Everyone has a right to take a shit right? so do you want the government to come wipe your ass for you for a nominal fee as well?

everyone has to eat right? so should we all pool our money together through a taxation system and start eating through government run rations systems? count on them to deliver the proper portions? on time? to everyone?, could we also guarantee that our money is being progressively used toward the manufacturing, packing, delivering and time spent to make this food taxation and rationalization possible?

once you start looking at the same process with what you people are describing as "rights" it start to not look so good anymore now does it...

I think there are too many fat people so perhaps we need to start a food rationing system to make sure everyone stays healthy and can be taken care of......lol.

[Mushroom Profile]

I did however review the last part of your statements, and I agree everyone should have the right to health-care but why should I have to pay for it when a poor, lazy, uneducated, fat un-healthy person isn't paying for it?

I take from what I've read on other posts that you are quite young. Life has twists and turns and although you might feel rather privileged at this moment in time, that will not always be the case. Life can be humbling and your complete outlook can change with one event.

I completely disagree with you. Fat lazy dipshits have the same human rights as everyone else.. including health care!

If you pay taxes, you are paying a corrupt government to live the high life and at the same time you are whining about providing health care for the poor. Oxymoron comes to mind.

PS.. It's not a personal attack. I quite like your opinions on most subjects (but not this one!)

[Krysto Profile]

finally , I mean for me , when my mother died before thirty after my father lost his home trying to save her (after a layoff { Reaganomics}) This was my 9/11 . The poor should just die ? c'mon repubs wtf?

[jetxvii]

I did however review the last part of your statements, and I agree everyone should have the right to health-care but why should I have to pay for it when a poor, lazy, uneducated, fat un-healthy person isn't paying for it?

I take from what I've read on other posts that you are quite young. Life has twists and turns and although you might feel rather privileged at this moment in time, that will not always be the case. Life can be humbling and your complete outlook can change with one event.

I completely disagree with you. Fat lazy dipshits have the same human rights as everyone else.. including health care!

If you pay taxes, you are paying a corrupt government to live the high life and at the same time you are whining about providing health care for the poor. Oxymoron comes to mind.

PS.. It's not a personal attack. I quite like your opinions on most subjects (but not this one!)

So a fat lazy unemployed person that pays taxes from there welfare checks gets the right to get something that people that work hard can get?

ok that makes sense, hooray for socialism..

who cares how old I am that has no relevance to what is right compared to band-aiding it.

and it's not an oxymoron when an established people and a supposed to be established government can provide a better standard for living, like I said before you and most people here are mistaking "the right way to free / affordable healthcare , vs a diaper change job of health-care, but you won't realize that because you people are too arrogant to have another thought about it...

the same could be said about lower end countries, they are responsible for themselves and their lives to establish a better way of life through means of "revolution" or relocation.. you know the ability to change things yourself? but nope it has to be the government job.... lets bitch about the government all day when they oppress people, kill people, stage false terror attacks, rob you of your house, job, money, children, freedom.... but then "hey they want to "tax" us for health-care because they want to help "us" instead of "I" and it's a good thing?

hmmmmmmm.....

if anyone failed to see where I said i am done with this then perhaps you can see it here:

I AM DONE WITH THIS, THERE IS NO POINT IN DESCRIBING THIS TO PEOPLE THAT CAN NOT WORK TO CHANGE THINGS THEMSELVES AND HAVE THE LIBERTY OF MAKING THE GOVERNMENT WHO CORRUPTS EVERYTHING ELSE DO IT FOR THEM...

Thank you all and have a pleasant day, I will be rooting for the lawsuits against this, I will also be happy when 2012 comes around and we don't have to worry about socialism anymore..... we will only have to worry about a communism which is essentially what you are all excepting..

one for all and all for one, unless one of your swordsmen doesn't have a sword and doesn't help you fight....... but yes we should still bring him to battle, he will be a good asset.

if you want to be a lazy and "everyone should take care of me bum" then you don't deserve any help as you can't even help yourself.....PERIOD!

I am done, because I keep repeating my points that some of you people seem to be bypassing and disregarding over things I have already addressed and pointed out as flaws, but you still refuse to see them...

I take from what I've read on other posts that you are quite young. Life has twists and turns and although you might feel rather privileged at this moment in time, that will not always be the case. Life can be humbling and your complete outlook can change with one event.

Yes like 9/11 you know what that taught me, the government doesn't care about you, don't trust anyone but yourself and your own capabilities, and if the government wants to do something that includes everyone it means something is in it for them.

I completely disagree with you. Fat lazy dipshits have the same human rights as everyone else.. including health care!

No, Fat, Lazy, Un-healthy, Un-educated, un-employed people..

"Human Rights?"

you are born

and you die.

that is a human right, if you choose to extend or optimize your life that is a choice, not a GOD given human right. Cancer or not you will die and prevention of death is a "service"

Like an Oil change for your car.

and in some countries you have the right to be free.... so what is free about a taxing health-care?

If you pay taxes, you are paying a corrupt government to live the high life and at the same time you are whining about providing health care for the poor. Oxymoron comes to mind.

if you are paying taxes at a state level that is written in the constitution it is usually for a service, so I agree with you there. who is whining the only whining I see here is people that don't think hard enough about how they are being taken advantage of and whine about other people that don't accept a form of control over there own hard earned resources, now that sounds like whining.

[jetxvii]

finally , I mean for me , when my mother died before thirty after my father lost his home trying to save her (after a layoff { Reaganomics}) This was my 9/11 . The poor should just die ? c'mon repubs wtf?

I'm sorry for your loss but everyone lives and dies, the extension is of choice not right.

another reason you shouldn't like Gov. run health-care was your statement of your father losing his job because of the government. so you are relying on the same form of government to protect "you" now when they couldn't protect your fathers job to save your mother?

once again sorry about your mom just don't understand that...

[Nickelson Profile]

I mean no disrespect Nickleson and in fact I wasn't the one to disrespect anyone on this thread except Ziggy. The only reason I wrote anything to counter anything you foreigners said is because I saw people from outside our country talking about how this is a good thing when they know nothing of our true policies, and the fact that you were the first one to disrespect anyone from the USA that didn't support this as "USsies" meaning pussies....

or did you forget that already?

now who is disrespectful?

and how are we pussies when we don't want our diaper changed for us? that doesn't seem to make sense.

I was away for the weekend so didn't have the change to react sooner on this reply.

For the record I wasn't disrespectful to anyone. USsies I really mean US citizens. You comparison to Pussies I do like I must add, but that wasn't my intention at all.

For the rest I read you reply and you conclude very easily I don't know shit about your country and you constitution in that case I also must correct you, because you are wrong on that matter.

My discussion with you ends, when you admit you are not willing to pay for anyone who is less then you.

I did however review the last part of your statements, and I agree everyone should have the right to health-care but why should I have to pay for it when a poor, lazy, uneducated, fat un-healthy person isn't paying for it?

Your point of view on which you take those "incompetent" responsible for their own "mistakes" Just says is it all for me.

And I am sorry for your loss and that is disrespectful Jet. It's just how your point of view is on that matter and yours is really selfish, harsh and ignorant. I am sorry for that, but that is the truth as I see it.

I could go on and on, on this, but I really don't feel like it anymore. It really is sad man and you should be ashamed for just that one opinion.

I would like to see you again in other discussions, but for me this one ends right here.

[jetxvii]

I mean no disrespect Nickleson and in fact I wasn't the one to disrespect anyone on this thread except Ziggy. The only reason I wrote anything to counter anything you foreigners said is because I saw people from outside our country talking about how this is a good thing when they know nothing of our true policies, and the fact that you were the first one to disrespect anyone from the USA that didn't support this as "USsies" meaning pussies....

or did you forget that already?

now who is disrespectful?

and how are we pussies when we don't want our diaper changed for us? that doesn't seem to make sense.

I was away for the weekend so didn't have the change to react sooner on this reply.

For the record I wasn't disrespectful to anyone. USsies I really mean US citizens. You comparison to Pussies I do like I must add, but that wasn't my intention at all.

For the rest I read you reply and you conclude very easily I don't know shit about your country and you constitution in that case I also must correct you, because you are wrong on that matter.

My discussion with you ends, when you admit you are not willing to pay for anyone who is less then you.

I did however review the last part of your statements, and I agree everyone should have the right to health-care but why should I have to pay for it when a poor, lazy, uneducated, fat un-healthy person isn't paying for it?

Your point of view on which you take those "incompetent" responsible for their own "mistakes" Just says is it all for me.

And I am sorry for your loss and that is disrespectful Jet. It's just how your point of view is on that matter and yours is really selfish, harsh and ignorant. I am sorry for that, but that is the truth as I see it.

I could go on and on, on this, but I really don't feel like it anymore. It really is sad man and you should be ashamed for just that one opinion.

I would like to see you again in other discussions, but for me this one ends right here.

Nickelson I have explained in everything I wrote to you, it is not the fact that I don't want to pay for someone, actually it is because I have to worry about what is me and mine (my own life and family and that is enough I am not responsible for someone half way across the country that I don't even know, however if they needed help medically I would surely be happy to donate, which is basically what this bill is about they want mandatory donations, when I should have the choice to help.)

however that wasn't my point so don't make me out to be a bad guy.

but you are confusing with the way 90% of the governments across the world have ushered in universal health-care as "the only and right way" compared to addressing it the "right way". which is my issue, which is why I asked if you read the constitution, because if you did read it and understand it you would realize that the way to usher in health-care and make it affordable would be best done if done through and American Constitutional way.... yes that even means that it would trump your glorious health-care and everyone Else's perfect models of health-care because technically written by our form of law (constitution) we are alot more free than your countries and we also are supposed to have more rational, working legal system to put that into place and strike down the monopolies....

but you misunderstood that again, and I am pretty sure you meant to call us pussies, but besides that issue.

NO i wouldn't pay for someone who doesn't work, is fat, unhealthy (because they made themselves that way)....why you might ask? because if they are going to base this bill on a law and working of economics and taxation, then you are damn right I don't want to pay for anyone that they themselves put into that situation to be that way, they aren't giving anything back, they aren't giving themselves anything either, they are rotting their lives.

you are the one that said they are "less of a person" not me, I consider them economic failures that can live in my country and be free to do what they want, but if they want a handout for doing nothing that defeats the purpose for everyone to not work, or go to school then, because it seems like that individual is the smart one and figured out he could be the healthiest and most free person by doing "nothing". I think they have a legal term for those people they call them looters, but now we are paying for looters, and the other good wholesome people that can't work (because of the government) to put the same government in power to fix something they caused in the first place and blah blah blah... I realize this is where I stop again because it's all the same text I have typed several times before...

so there you have it I refuse to pay for anyone besides myself and my family and that is how it should be for everyone and all because truly that is all they should have to be worried about, and if that is not the case and you feel the need to worry about more people, then perhaps you can donate your money medically to help that person and not pass a mandatory bill requiring everyone to feel the same way about an issue and making them a bad guy if they don't feel the same way...

because like I said I have no problems for voluntary donations to the right people.

[Ghymmie Profile]

Nickelson I have explained in everything I wrote to you, it is not the fact that I don't want to pay for someone, actually it is because I have to worry about what is me and mine (my own life and family and that is enough I am not responsible for someone half way across the country that I don't even know, however if they needed help medically I would surely be happy to donate, which is basically what this bill is about they want mandatory donations, when I should have the choice to help.)

however that wasn't my point so don't make me out to be a bad guy.

but you are confusing with the way 90% of the governments across the world have ushered in universal health-care as "the only and right way" compared to addressing it the "right way". which is my issue, which is why I asked if you read the constitution, because if you did read it and understand it you would realize that the way to usher in health-care and make it affordable would be best done if done through and American Constitutional way.... yes that even means that it would trump your glorious health-care and everyone Else's perfect models of health-care because technically written by our form of law (constitution) we are alot more free than your countries and we also are supposed to have more rational, working legal system to put that into place and strike down the monopolies....

but you misunderstood that again, and I am pretty sure you meant to call us pussies, but besides that issue.

NO i wouldn't pay for someone who doesn't work, is fat, unhealthy (because they made themselves that way)....why you might ask? because if they are going to base this bill on a law and working of economics and taxation, then you are damn right I don't want to pay for anyone that they themselves put into that situation to be that way, they aren't giving anything back, they aren't giving themselves anything either, they are rotting their lives.

you are the one that said they are "less of a person" not me, I consider them economic failures that can live in my country and be free to do what they want, but if they want a handout for doing nothing that defeats the purpose for everyone to not work, or go to school then, because it seems like that individual is the smart one and figured out he could be the healthiest and most free person by doing "nothing". I think they have a legal term for those people they call them looters, but now we are paying for looters, and the other good wholesome people that can't work (because of the government) to put the same government in power to fix something they caused in the first place and blah blah blah... I realize this is where I stop again because it's all the same text I have typed several times before...

so there you have it I refuse to pay for anyone besides myself and my family and that is how it should be for everyone and all because truly that is all they should have to be worried about, and if that is not the case and you feel the need to worry about more people, then perhaps you can donate your money medically to help that person and not pass a mandatory bill requiring everyone to feel the same way about an issue and making them a bad guy if they don't feel the same way...

because like I said I have no problems for voluntary donations to the right people.

So if you lose your job, and have no money and you get a treatable cancer... would you accept the free health care?