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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:05 pm » by Disorganizer81


The fact that they didn't include the allowance of insurance companies to go across state lines is a JOKE.

It truly is a good thing the Federal government screwed this up so they could come in and "fix" it for us. LMAO!

Collectivism has been tried over and over again hundreds of times. Not only does it NOT work, it kills off MILLIONS of its own citizenry. I will gladly take 20,000 INDIVIDUALS dying a year, most because of their own lifestyle, because they couldn't afford the proper treatment. MILLIONS >WAY GREATER THAN>>> 20,000. FACT!

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:07 pm » by Cricketine


zionslion wrote:You obviously have never been to a us government run program. SLOW FAT and INCOMPETENT. I think the best health insurance an american can have now is preventative care own their own.

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:11 pm » by Disorganizer81


Vote Liberal. You eill live FOREVER!
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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:15 pm » by Cricketine


sockpuppet wrote:
slushpup wrote:
All joking aside... This is the right thing.You took the control away from the corrupt insurance companies that own half your politicians, Give it time.. It may one day save your life or someone you know.


Oh, and btw, emergency room services are free for anyone who cannot afford them. No one is turned down from an American hospital on the basis that they can't pay.


Quite correct, but you still receive a huge bill. They take a little pity on you if you are uninsured by giving you a 10% discount.

My little son had a small but deep cut on his hand. The hospital washed it out and superglued it back together (not fucking kidding) and it cost me just over $2400. If I would have known what they would do and how much it would cost I would have done it myself.

It took me three years to pay the fucker off and that is after it went to collections because I couldn't afford to pay HALF of the bill within 30 days. Now I have a mark on my credit report for 4 years and it brought my rating down almost 90 points.
Sorry....pissed off rant.

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:27 pm » by Cricketine


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This is a transcript of the 1971 conversation between President Richard Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman that led to the HMO act of 1973:

John D. Ehrlichman: “On the … on the health business …”

President Nixon: “Yeah.”

Ehrlichman: “… we have now narrowed down the vice president’s problems on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser’s Permanente thing. The vice president just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, ‘Well, I don’t think they’ll work, but if the President thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll support him a hundred percent.’”

President Nixon: “Well, what’s … what’s the judgment?”

Ehrlichman: “Well, everybody else’s judgment very strongly is that we go with it.”

President Nixon: “All right.”

Ehrlichman: “And, uh, uh, he’s the one holdout that we have in the whole office.”

President Nixon: “Say that I … I … I’d tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it’s, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your judgment. You know I’m not to keen on any of these damn medical programs.”

Ehrlichman: “This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am …”

President Nixon: [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: “This … this is a …”

President Nixon: “I don’t [unclear] …”

Ehrlichman: “… private enterprise one.”

President Nixon: “Well, that appeals to me.”

Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because …”

President Nixon: [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make.”

President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: [Unclear] “… and the incentives run the right way.”

President Nixon: “Not bad.”

From: http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/b463 ... 8793c1512b

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:38 pm » by jetxvii


cricketine wrote:
sockpuppet wrote:
slushpup wrote:
All joking aside... This is the right thing.You took the control away from the corrupt insurance companies that own half your politicians, Give it time.. It may one day save your life or someone you know.


Oh, and btw, emergency room services are free for anyone who cannot afford them. No one is turned down from an American hospital on the basis that they can't pay.


Quite correct, but you still receive a huge bill. They take a little pity on you if you are uninsured by giving you a 10% discount.

My little son had a small but deep cut on his hand. The hospital washed it out and superglued it back together (not fucking kidding) and it cost me just over $2400. If I would have known what they would do and how much it would cost I would have done it myself.

It took me three years to pay the fucker off and that is after it went to collections because I couldn't afford to pay HALF of the bill within 30 days. Now I have a mark on my credit report for 4 years and it brought my rating down almost 90 points.
Sorry....pissed off rant.


yeah don't you like that system of the medical industry? they did something that children do in kindergarten by gluing 2 things together and charge you 2 fingers and a heart attack after you see the bill all well before it even hits the insurance company.

I had a similar experience with myself and the ER which is why I don't go to the hospital ever now, they themselves are a bunch of fast and loose individuals that get away with monopolization as well, and hidden and unknown pre-charges if uninsured, not to mention if uninsured if it will be covered, or how much you will be paying out. it's like tiding over money to see how much of a dent you are going to take in either instance and frankly it needs to stop.

not only with the medical industry, with all industries. People can't keep carrying on like this because ultimately in the long run if we keep accepting the bullied or easy way out solution no matter if we are rich and poor in the end the only whole that is suffering is humanity. No one is safe from this kind of greed and power oppression not even the rich.

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:46 pm » by Cricketine


jetxvii wrote:
cricketine wrote:
sockpuppet wrote:
Oh, and btw, emergency room services are free for anyone who cannot afford them. No one is turned down from an American hospital on the basis that they can't pay.


Quite correct, but you still receive a huge bill. They take a little pity on you if you are uninsured by giving you a 10% discount.

My little son had a small but deep cut on his hand. The hospital washed it out and superglued it back together (not fucking kidding) and it cost me just over $2400. If I would have known what they would do and how much it would cost I would have done it myself.

It took me three years to pay the fucker off and that is after it went to collections because I couldn't afford to pay HALF of the bill within 30 days. Now I have a mark on my credit report for 4 years and it brought my rating down almost 90 points.
Sorry....pissed off rant.


yeah don't you like that system of the medical industry? they did something that children do in kindergarten by gluing 2 things together and charge you 2 fingers and a heart attack after you see the bill all well before it even hits the insurance company.

I had a similar experience with myself and the ER which is why I don't go to the hospital ever now, they themselves are a bunch of fast and loose individuals that get away with monopolization as well, and hidden and unknown pre-charges if uninsured, not to mention if uninsured if it will be covered, or how much you will be paying out. it's like tiding over money to see how much of a dent you are going to take in either instance and frankly it needs to stop.

not only with the medical industry, with all industries. People can't keep carrying on like this because ultimately in the long run if we keep accepting the bullied or easy way out solution no matter if we are rich and poor in the end the only whole that is suffering is humanity. No one is safe from this kind of greed and power oppression not even the rich.


Looking at the first bill right now:
$140 apiece for two sprays of Bactine. W.T.F??? I've got a whole bottle of that shit in my medicine cabinet and it cost me $4.
The problem with health care in our country is that everything...Everything is super inflated in price. AND the billing is shit when they charge you an astronomical fee for something you never had. Oh, just a little mistake.

Alrighty, I'm all pissed off more so I'm going to just stalk away from this topic. :)

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PostMon Mar 29, 2010 11:58 pm » by Biledriver


I already stated my opinion of this whole thing and I'm not American, so this bill doesn't really affect me...but....

instead of complaining on these forums about how much the bill sucks, do something about it. Write your congressman or senator or whatever. Get an email petition going. Get every friend to talk to 10 of their friends, who can talk to 10 of their friends..bla bla bla...and start an organization to change the situation. See if there's other organizations out there that are trying to make a change and join them. There are tons of different things that can be done to affect positive change in the world, these are only a few examples.

All these things can have a tremendous effect for the change you want to see. Don't sit on your lazy asses and bitch, do something about it, or you really have no right to say anything. And for those actually being proactive, keep it up and peace to you all.

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PostTue Mar 30, 2010 12:01 am » by jetxvii


biledriver wrote:I already stated my opinion of this whole thing and I'm not American, so this bill doesn't really affect me...but....

instead of complaining on these forums about how much the bill sucks, do something about it. Write your congressman or senator or whatever. Get an email petition going. Get every friend to talk to 10 of their friends, who can talk to 10 of their friends..bla bla bla...and start an organization to change the situation. See if there's other organizations out there that are trying to make a change and join them. There are tons of different things that can be done to affect positive change in the world, these are only a few examples.

All these things can have a tremendous effect for the change you want to see. Don't sit on your lazy asses and bitch, do something about it, or you really have no right to say anything. And for those actually being proactive, keep it up and peace to you all.


Already on it, I can email my senators even through my phone, trust me a lot of us are doing things, unfortunately I haven't been doing much in the get out and protest side but thanks for the encouragement I will see what can be done about that.

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PostTue Mar 30, 2010 12:09 am » by Disorganizer81


@biledriver
those are some accusations you are throwing at everybody here. how do you know I haven't written my representatives? I did, 3 times plus called them more times than I can keep track of. The last week, DC unplugged their phones. I have also been to a townhall meeting. They don't listen. I do talk to my friends and family. I will also educate peeps here as well. I have been so busy with this, my girlfriend of 5 years threatened to break up with me. She says I'm obsessed. I then asked her if I should instead be obsessed with The Office reruns on TNT like she is and she wouldn't speak to me for 3 days. So STFU biledriver. STFU.


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