Congratulations USA. Welcome to the wide world of SOCIALISM

[jetxvii]

All joking aside... This is the right thing.You took the control away from the corrupt insurance companies that own half your politicians, Give it time.. It may one day save your life or someone you know.

Oh, and btw, emergency room services are free for anyone who cannot afford them. No one is turned down from an American hospital on the basis that they can't pay.

Quite correct, but you still receive a huge bill. They take a little pity on you if you are uninsured by giving you a 10% discount.

My little son had a small but deep cut on his hand. The hospital washed it out and superglued it back together (not fucking kidding) and it cost me just over $2400. If I would have known what they would do and how much it would cost I would have done it myself.

It took me three years to pay the fucker off and that is after it went to collections because I couldn't afford to pay HALF of the bill within 30 days. Now I have a mark on my credit report for 4 years and it brought my rating down almost 90 points.
Sorry....pissed off rant.

yeah don't you like that system of the medical industry? they did something that children do in kindergarten by gluing 2 things together and charge you 2 fingers and a heart attack after you see the bill all well before it even hits the insurance company.

I had a similar experience with myself and the ER which is why I don't go to the hospital ever now, they themselves are a bunch of fast and loose individuals that get away with monopolization as well, and hidden and unknown pre-charges if uninsured, not to mention if uninsured if it will be covered, or how much you will be paying out. it's like tiding over money to see how much of a dent you are going to take in either instance and frankly it needs to stop.

not only with the medical industry, with all industries. People can't keep carrying on like this because ultimately in the long run if we keep accepting the bullied or easy way out solution no matter if we are rich and poor in the end the only whole that is suffering is humanity. No one is safe from this kind of greed and power oppression not even the rich.

[Cricketine Profile]

Oh, and btw, emergency room services are free for anyone who cannot afford them. No one is turned down from an American hospital on the basis that they can't pay.

Quite correct, but you still receive a huge bill. They take a little pity on you if you are uninsured by giving you a 10% discount.

My little son had a small but deep cut on his hand. The hospital washed it out and superglued it back together (not fucking kidding) and it cost me just over $2400. If I would have known what they would do and how much it would cost I would have done it myself.

It took me three years to pay the fucker off and that is after it went to collections because I couldn't afford to pay HALF of the bill within 30 days. Now I have a mark on my credit report for 4 years and it brought my rating down almost 90 points.
Sorry....pissed off rant.

yeah don't you like that system of the medical industry? they did something that children do in kindergarten by gluing 2 things together and charge you 2 fingers and a heart attack after you see the bill all well before it even hits the insurance company.

I had a similar experience with myself and the ER which is why I don't go to the hospital ever now, they themselves are a bunch of fast and loose individuals that get away with monopolization as well, and hidden and unknown pre-charges if uninsured, not to mention if uninsured if it will be covered, or how much you will be paying out. it's like tiding over money to see how much of a dent you are going to take in either instance and frankly it needs to stop.

not only with the medical industry, with all industries. People can't keep carrying on like this because ultimately in the long run if we keep accepting the bullied or easy way out solution no matter if we are rich and poor in the end the only whole that is suffering is humanity. No one is safe from this kind of greed and power oppression not even the rich.

Looking at the first bill right now:
$140 apiece for two sprays of Bactine. W.T.F??? I've got a whole bottle of that shit in my medicine cabinet and it cost me $4.
The problem with health care in our country is that everything...Everything is super inflated in price. AND the billing is shit when they charge you an astronomical fee for something you never had. Oh, just a little mistake.

Alrighty, I'm all pissed off more so I'm going to just stalk away from this topic.

[Biledriver Profile]

I already stated my opinion of this whole thing and I'm not American, so this bill doesn't really affect me...but....

instead of complaining on these forums about how much the bill sucks, do something about it. Write your congressman or senator or whatever. Get an email petition going. Get every friend to talk to 10 of their friends, who can talk to 10 of their friends..bla bla bla...and start an organization to change the situation. See if there's other organizations out there that are trying to make a change and join them. There are tons of different things that can be done to affect positive change in the world, these are only a few examples.

All these things can have a tremendous effect for the change you want to see. Don't sit on your lazy asses and bitch, do something about it, or you really have no right to say anything. And for those actually being proactive, keep it up and peace to you all.

[jetxvii]

I already stated my opinion of this whole thing and I'm not American, so this bill doesn't really affect me...but....

instead of complaining on these forums about how much the bill sucks, do something about it. Write your congressman or senator or whatever. Get an email petition going. Get every friend to talk to 10 of their friends, who can talk to 10 of their friends..bla bla bla...and start an organization to change the situation. See if there's other organizations out there that are trying to make a change and join them. There are tons of different things that can be done to affect positive change in the world, these are only a few examples.

All these things can have a tremendous effect for the change you want to see. Don't sit on your lazy asses and bitch, do something about it, or you really have no right to say anything. And for those actually being proactive, keep it up and peace to you all.

Already on it, I can email my senators even through my phone, trust me a lot of us are doing things, unfortunately I haven't been doing much in the get out and protest side but thanks for the encouragement I will see what can be done about that.

[Disorganizer81 Profile]

@biledriver
those are some accusations you are throwing at everybody here. how do you know I haven't written my representatives? I did, 3 times plus called them more times than I can keep track of. The last week, DC unplugged their phones. I have also been to a townhall meeting. They don't listen. I do talk to my friends and family. I will also educate peeps here as well. I have been so busy with this, my girlfriend of 5 years threatened to break up with me. She says I'm obsessed. I then asked her if I should instead be obsessed with The Office reruns on TNT like she is and she wouldn't speak to me for 3 days. So STFU biledriver. STFU.

[Biledriver Profile]

And for those actually being proactive, keep it up and peace to you all.

Slow down there my friend. There were no accusations; was a pretty blanket statement and was meant to reinforce a point, that's all. Too many people talk the talk, but so few actually get off their asses and do shit. I know there are quite a few people that are proactive on this site, and on lots of sites, but the bulk of people who bitch, do it to hear themselves talk...same same offline too.

Thank you for being proactive and keeping the proverbial torch going. This is what we need as a whole and eventually more and more will do the same.

So again, sorry if you took it as a stab, it wasn't intended to be one. Well, maybe a bit to those who do jack shit but complain.

Peace

[Disorganizer81 Profile]

@biledriver
Sorry, it has been a rough couple months. I have dreaded to see the aftermath of the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration. I never thought this would be it. I thought Americans would wise up. Instead, I am starting to miss Bush!

[Nickelson Profile]

Well after my wife and I did some research on our own on this HCB we found out the insurance companies as well as the pharmaceutical industries had drove up their prices more then a year ago for a total sum of 8 billion dollars.

The promise the IC's and the PI's must make to the US government to get this bill approved and out there was they, should lower their prices at 7 billion dollars, which means they still are making 1 billion dollars more profit then before. Besides that fact 13 million people still aren't allowed the HCB, because they don't pass the protocol to get accepted.

The whole reason I bring this out here, is because it gives me bad taste in my mouth.

Some advantages:
The HCB should be taking care off the US citizens (wont call it USsies anymore, because some have me mistaken on that word) Every citizen should pay, maybe 200 dollars a month to get himself insured, which means when you pay a visit to the Intensive Care for a cut you won't get a bill afterwards. Your insurance company will pay the bill, because you have insurance.

You are free to choose an insurance company which would suit you the best. This means competition between IC's will grow, which could mean they are willing to lower their rates (by pressuring the pharmaceutical company's) or expand their possibilities by choosing.

To have those things summed up it still gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

Of course you'll all need to take care of each other, but at the end you'll pay for all insurances and care yourself. So why are the IC's and the PC's bringing up their prices in the first place. Of course it is a money making machine, but a lot of US citizens simply can't afford HealtCare, because the don't have the money.

So to make my own conclusion on this one, the HCB is needed, but it is also needed to review the standards and the intentions. Who really do benefit from this bill, the IC's and PC's or the citizens?

In a perfect world both parties should benefit of it, including the fat, lazy peeps who doesn't care shit about their own life’s.

If I am not mistaking the HCB has cancelled for now and must be approved and signed all over again, is it not?

[Nytemere Profile]

It's not the fact that America is getting "Free healthcare" that scares Americans, it's mainly how it's going to get here, and what company is it bringing. Where is this money being conjured from, what's taking a cut, "I thought America was in debt," and when the bill passes when do I get my free Snickers bar that Obama promised along with this perfect (2,000 pages of fine print.) bill. Weren't doctors leaving other countries to come practice in America?

I guess that really was because we did pay our doctors so well. I remember a quote, I think from Zeitgeist, where he loosely says, "When a doctor asks to remove an organ, I don't know if that organ really needs to be removed, or if he's trying to pay off his new yacht." But anyway, the bill sounds a bit too perfect. (Excluding the fine print.) But who knows, they're politicians, they'd never steer us wrong. ..