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strider2 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:43 am **Posts:** 209

And it's here for anyone to read...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23831690/091127copenhagen

cornbread714 · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:11 pm **Posts:** 4051

strider2 wrote:

And it's here for anyone to read...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23831690/091127copenhagen

Thanks for posting this.

I assume it's real, it seems to be legit and doesn't contain any big surprises from what I could gather.

strider2 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:43 am **Posts:** 209

It's not an easy read - "bureaucratese" is not my favorite language either. Here is some press on the leak..

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The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change negotiations.

The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.

The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.

The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol's principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.

full article at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... anish-text

slushpup · **Joined:** Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:32 am **Posts:** 6765

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildli ... alism.html

Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
New pictures show that polar bears are beginning to cannibalise each other as global warming destroys its hunting grounds.

By Jonathan Liew
Published: 2:40PM GMT 08 Dec 2009

Scientists say they are aware of eight cases of bear cannibalisation so far this year Photo: REUTERS
Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
Photo: REUTERS
Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
Photo: REUTERS

The images, taken in Hudson Bay, Canada, around 200 miles north of the town of Churchill, Manitoba, show a male polar bear carrying the bloodied head of a polar bear cub it has killed for food.

Polar bears usually subsist on seals, which they hunt from a platform of sea ice. But the melting of sea ice as a result of rising global temperatures has made it more difficult for polar bears to hunt seals at sea, confining the bears to land.

This has led to malnourishment and starvation as polar bears are unable to build sufficient fat reserves for winter.

Drowning is also more common as bears are forced to swim further out to sea to find food.

The images add to the evidence that polar bears are increasingly hunting each other for food in their desperation to survive.

Manitoba Conservation normally receive one to two reports of bear cannibalisation annually, but scientists say they are aware of eight cases so far this year.

Last month tourists on a guided tour of the area were reported to be distressed after witnessing a male bear eating a cub.

The release of the images comes as world leaders gather in Copenhagen for the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

concrete · **Joined:** Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:43 pm **Posts:** 2190

slushpup wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6760103/Starving-polar-bears-turn-to-cannibalism.html

Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
New pictures show that polar bears are beginning to cannibalise each other as global warming destroys its hunting grounds.

By Jonathan Liew
Published: 2:40PM GMT 08 Dec 2009

Scientists say they are aware of eight cases of bear cannibalisation so far this year Photo: REUTERS
Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
Photo: REUTERS
Starving polar bears turn to cannibalism
Photo: REUTERS

The images, taken in Hudson Bay, Canada, around 200 miles north of the town of Churchill, Manitoba, show a male polar bear carrying the bloodied head of a polar bear cub it has killed for food.

Polar bears usually subsist on seals, which they hunt from a platform of sea ice. But the melting of sea ice as a result of rising global temperatures has made it more difficult for polar bears to hunt seals at sea, confining the bears to land.

This has led to malnourishment and starvation as polar bears are unable to build sufficient fat reserves for winter.

Drowning is also more common as bears are forced to swim further out to sea to find food.

The images add to the evidence that polar bears are increasingly hunting each other for food in their desperation to survive.

Manitoba Conservation normally receive one to two reports of bear cannibalisation annually, but scientists say they are aware of eight cases so far this year.

Last month tourists on a guided tour of the area were reported to be distressed after witnessing a male bear eating a cub.

The release of the images comes as world leaders gather in Copenhagen for the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

Survival of the fittest. Polar bears have always cnnabalised. As do brown and black bears.

I've also read elsewhere that 'climate change' will make you mad. Or, at least madder.
It makes you fat too, as well as starves you. It'll make you get a sun burn while you're freezing.
Too much shite for my taste.
Governments have run out of ways to tax the pleb. That is all this conference is about.
How to fuck over the public. Yet again.

Ever met a poor politician?

strider2 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:43 am **Posts:** 209

concrete wrote:

Survival of the fittest. Polar bears have always cnnabalised. As do brown and black bears.

Yep. Too many people have this anthropomorphized / Walt Disney view of nature. Maybe more cubs are being cannibalized because there are more of them?

Anyone remember the iconic Disney lemmings episode? The truth behind that one is that the film-makers paid local kids to trap lemmings, which the Disney types then herded / threw off a cliff (the lemmings lol)... It seems lemmings just aren't stupid enough to do that on their own; they needed some human "help".

It's amazing what BS people can be fed - and the more ridiculous it is, the more it seems to be believed.

freedomofwill · **Joined:** Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:40 am **Posts:** 254

You guy's don't get it do you? If you actually bother to read the article it actually mentions the phasing out of un-necessary fossil fuels. Question is which fossil fuels?

Maybe Climate change might be a hoax but don't you think its a hoax that would be big enough to defeat the Fuel companies? and get rid of them once and for all? Maybe Climategate is a distraction?

We don't really know, but I sure hope that the whole world agree's that we should stop using Oil, and gas and start using new technology.

The whole agreement talk's about new technology, and transparency.

Read the document yourself and get your own opinion rather than believing a FUCKING newspaper. You can't trust all media, especially the independent ones because you never know who's really funding the independents.

strider2 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:43 am **Posts:** 209

freedomofwill wrote:

The whole agreement talk's about new technology, and transparency.

The whole agreement is about inventing a reason for a new tax to extend the bloated profits of oil companies years longer than it should.

We have to stop looking to government for the answers, and just do the right thing ourselves. We sheepishly followed them into this situation, but none of them are looking for the just road for the common person. No politician says "oh, you want your civil liberties back, so here ya go". Instead they say, you want you rights back, so vote for me. Then it's oops - OK maybe next election I'll promise to do it again, honest.

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