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Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:49 am » by Seahawk
Published on Dec 10, 2012 by Steven Scores
A humorous Irish Pub take on the whole Mayan Doomsday prediction that the world will in December 21, 2012.
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Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:04 am » by Vulcanic
story here: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... t-science/
It's remotely possible the world will end in December 2012. But don't credit the ancient Maya calendar for predicting it, say experts on the Mesoamerican culture.
(Related pictures: "2012 Doomsday Myths Debunked.")
It's true that the so-called long-count calendar—which spans roughly 5,125 years starting in 3114 B.C.—reaches the end of a cycle on December 21, 2012.
That day brings to a close the 13th Bak'tun, an almost 400-year period in the Maya long-count calendar.
But rather than moving to the next Bak'tun, the calendar will reset at the end of the 13th cycle, akin to the way a 1960s automobile would click over at mile 99,999.9 and reset to zero.
"We, of course, know that really means a hundred thousand [miles] and not zero," said William Saturno, an expert on Maya archaeology at Boston University.
"So, is [the end of Bak'tun 13] a large period ending? Yes. Did the Maya like period endings? Yes," Saturno said.
"Would this have been a period ending they thought was wicked cool? You bet. The biggest period endings they experience are Bak'tun endings."
But "was it predicted to be the end the world? No. That's just us."
Instead, for the Maya, the end of the long count represents the end of an old cycle and the beginning of a new one, according to Emiliano Gallaga Murrieta, the Chiapas state division director of Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History.
"It is like for the Chinese, this is the Year of the [Rabbit], and the next year is going to the Year of the Dragon, and the next is going to be another animal in the calendar," Gallaga said.
(Watch the full episode of 2012: Countdown to Armageddon online from the National Geographic Channel.)
Maya Prophecy for End of the World?
Written references to the end of Bak'tun 13 are few. In fact, most Maya scholars cite only one: a stone tablet on Monument 6 at the Tortuguero archaeological site in Mexico's Tabasco state. (Take a Maya quiz.)
What exactly the tablet says, though, is a mystery, because the glyphs in question are partially damaged.
Nevertheless, scholars have taken several stabs at translations, the most prominent in 1996 by Brown University's Stephen Houston and the University of Texas at Austin's David Stuart.
Houston and Stuart's initial interpretation indicated that a god will descend at the end of Bak'tun 13. What would happen next is uncertain, although the scholars suggested this might have been a prophecy of some sort.
This 1996 analysis was picked up "on many New Age websites, associated forum discussions, and even a few book chapters" as evidence that the Maya calendar had predicted the end of the world, according to Stuart.
(See "2012 Prophecies Sparking Real Fears, Suicide Warnings.")
Houston and Stuart, however, independently revisited the glyphs recently and concluded that the inscription may actually contain no prophetic statements about 2012 at all.
Rather, the mention of the end of Bak'tun 13 is likely a forward-looking statement that refers back to the main subject of the inscription, which is the dedication of Monument 6.
In an October blog post about his conclusions, Stuart makes an analogy to a scribe wanting to immortalize the New York Yankees' 1950 sweep of the Philadelphia Phillies in that year's World Series.
If this writer were to use the Maya rhetorical device thought to be in Monument 6's inscription, the text might read:
"On October 7, 1950, the New York Yankees defeated the Philadelphia Phillies to win the World Series. It happened 29 years after the first Yankees victory in the World Series in 1921. And so 50 years before the year 2000 will occur, the Yankees won the World Series."
Written this way, Stuart notes, the text mentions a future time of historical importance—the 50-year anniversary of the victory—but it does so in reference to the event at hand, i.e., the 1950 game.
"This is precisely how many ancient Maya texts are structured, including Tortuguero's Monument 6," Stuart writes.
2012 Apocalypse Just Poetic Flourish
According to INAH's Gallaga, this structure of Maya texts is what has confused modern minds, given our penchant for literal, straightforward reading.
Even if the Monument 6 inscription refers to a god coming down at the end of Bak'tun 13, it isn't a statement about the end of the world, he said.
"They are writing in a more poetic sense, saying, Well, on the 21st of December 2012, the god is going to come down and start a new cycle and the old world is going to die and the new world is going to be reborn—just to make it more poetic."
(Read about the rise and fall of the Maya in National Geographic magazine.)
Saturno, the Boston University archaeologist, agreed that the reference to a specific date is clear in Monument 6, but added that "there's no text that follows and says, Herein will be the end of the world, and the world will end in fire. ... That's not anywhere in the text."
(Related video: Surviving 2012—Preparation.)
Rather, Saturno said, the hype around 2012 stems from dissatisfied Westerners looking to the ancients for guidance, hoping that peoples such as the Maya knew something then that could help us through difficult times now.
In any case, even if the ancient inscriptions explicitly predicted the end of the world, Saturno wouldn't be worried, given the Maya track record with long-range prophecy.
"They didn't see [their] collapse coming. They didn't see the Spanish conquest coming."
It's remotely possible the world will end in December 2012. But don't credit the ancient Maya calendar for predicting it, say experts on the Mesoamerican culture.
(Related pictures: "2012 Doomsday Myths Debunked.")
It's true that the so-called long-count calendar—which spans roughly 5,125 years starting in 3114 B.C.—reaches the end of a cycle on December 21, 2012.
That day brings to a close the 13th Bak'tun, an almost 400-year period in the Maya long-count calendar.
But rather than moving to the next Bak'tun, the calendar will reset at the end of the 13th cycle, akin to the way a 1960s automobile would click over at mile 99,999.9 and reset to zero.
"We, of course, know that really means a hundred thousand [miles] and not zero," said William Saturno, an expert on Maya archaeology at Boston University.
"So, is [the end of Bak'tun 13] a large period ending? Yes. Did the Maya like period endings? Yes," Saturno said.
"Would this have been a period ending they thought was wicked cool? You bet. The biggest period endings they experience are Bak'tun endings."
But "was it predicted to be the end the world? No. That's just us."
Instead, for the Maya, the end of the long count represents the end of an old cycle and the beginning of a new one, according to Emiliano Gallaga Murrieta, the Chiapas state division director of Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History.
"It is like for the Chinese, this is the Year of the [Rabbit], and the next year is going to the Year of the Dragon, and the next is going to be another animal in the calendar," Gallaga said.
(Watch the full episode of 2012: Countdown to Armageddon online from the National Geographic Channel.)
Maya Prophecy for End of the World?
Written references to the end of Bak'tun 13 are few. In fact, most Maya scholars cite only one: a stone tablet on Monument 6 at the Tortuguero archaeological site in Mexico's Tabasco state. (Take a Maya quiz.)
What exactly the tablet says, though, is a mystery, because the glyphs in question are partially damaged.
Nevertheless, scholars have taken several stabs at translations, the most prominent in 1996 by Brown University's Stephen Houston and the University of Texas at Austin's David Stuart.
Houston and Stuart's initial interpretation indicated that a god will descend at the end of Bak'tun 13. What would happen next is uncertain, although the scholars suggested this might have been a prophecy of some sort.
This 1996 analysis was picked up "on many New Age websites, associated forum discussions, and even a few book chapters" as evidence that the Maya calendar had predicted the end of the world, according to Stuart.
(See "2012 Prophecies Sparking Real Fears, Suicide Warnings.")
Houston and Stuart, however, independently revisited the glyphs recently and concluded that the inscription may actually contain no prophetic statements about 2012 at all.
Rather, the mention of the end of Bak'tun 13 is likely a forward-looking statement that refers back to the main subject of the inscription, which is the dedication of Monument 6.
In an October blog post about his conclusions, Stuart makes an analogy to a scribe wanting to immortalize the New York Yankees' 1950 sweep of the Philadelphia Phillies in that year's World Series.
If this writer were to use the Maya rhetorical device thought to be in Monument 6's inscription, the text might read:
"On October 7, 1950, the New York Yankees defeated the Philadelphia Phillies to win the World Series. It happened 29 years after the first Yankees victory in the World Series in 1921. And so 50 years before the year 2000 will occur, the Yankees won the World Series."
Written this way, Stuart notes, the text mentions a future time of historical importance—the 50-year anniversary of the victory—but it does so in reference to the event at hand, i.e., the 1950 game.
"This is precisely how many ancient Maya texts are structured, including Tortuguero's Monument 6," Stuart writes.
2012 Apocalypse Just Poetic Flourish
According to INAH's Gallaga, this structure of Maya texts is what has confused modern minds, given our penchant for literal, straightforward reading.
Even if the Monument 6 inscription refers to a god coming down at the end of Bak'tun 13, it isn't a statement about the end of the world, he said.
"They are writing in a more poetic sense, saying, Well, on the 21st of December 2012, the god is going to come down and start a new cycle and the old world is going to die and the new world is going to be reborn—just to make it more poetic."
(Read about the rise and fall of the Maya in National Geographic magazine.)
Saturno, the Boston University archaeologist, agreed that the reference to a specific date is clear in Monument 6, but added that "there's no text that follows and says, Herein will be the end of the world, and the world will end in fire. ... That's not anywhere in the text."
(Related video: Surviving 2012—Preparation.)
Rather, Saturno said, the hype around 2012 stems from dissatisfied Westerners looking to the ancients for guidance, hoping that peoples such as the Maya knew something then that could help us through difficult times now.
In any case, even if the ancient inscriptions explicitly predicted the end of the world, Saturno wouldn't be worried, given the Maya track record with long-range prophecy.
"They didn't see [their] collapse coming. They didn't see the Spanish conquest coming."
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Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:19 am » by Seahawk
Published on Dec 12, 2012 by thetruthergirls
What the deal is and what to expect? I can't say that I found any solid evidence that anything in particular will definitely happen on that specific day, but there is plenty of evidence that something major is coming soon for the earth and its inhabitants.
“What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” -Albert Pine
Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:18 pm » by Vertigo
so i stumbled upon this video...
random dude's telling the 3days blackout theory, thought i share it cause its an interesting point.
heheh if this happens and everyone goes instantly blind and cant see a thing then whats happening to
all of us who are at work (including me) , in a plane, on a train and so an and so forth...
+ the poles shift while we are all blind
well we can actually be glad this doesnt happen...
just imagine you driving at work on a highway and "zapp" ---your blind... be glad your not a pilot
be happy people, be happy you dont have to witness such an event!!!
i can not understand how people are afraid of something that isn't even happening anyway, fear as an reaction isunderstandable but fear out of imagination is sad, just sad....
if i imagine that guy running blind around with his stuff not finding the keys to his hotel room...well...
edit: dude works at walm mart and brings supplys/sleeping bag with him and want to run across the road in an hotel?!?! dude should just stay in walmart there should be anything he needs 
i am laughing so hard right now, those namaste guys really have a sense of humor after all
so an 22nd there will be change indeed, so many namastes will have to look in another direction, maybe thats what its all about... who dafuq is sheldon nidle
random dude's telling the 3days blackout theory, thought i share it cause its an interesting point.
heheh if this happens and everyone goes instantly blind and cant see a thing then whats happening to
all of us who are at work (including me) , in a plane, on a train and so an and so forth...
+ the poles shift while we are all blind
well we can actually be glad this doesnt happen...just imagine you driving at work on a highway and "zapp" ---your blind... be glad your not a pilot
be happy people, be happy you dont have to witness such an event!!!
i can not understand how people are afraid of something that isn't even happening anyway, fear as an reaction isunderstandable but fear out of imagination is sad, just sad....
if i imagine that guy running blind around with his stuff not finding the keys to his hotel room...well...
edit: dude works at walm mart and brings supplys/sleeping bag with him and want to run across the road in an hotel?!?! dude should just stay in walmart there should be anything he needs
i am laughing so hard right now, those namaste guys really have a sense of humor after all
so an 22nd there will be change indeed, so many namastes will have to look in another direction, maybe thats what its all about... who dafuq is sheldon nidle
Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:58 pm » by Spikey
Nothing is going to happen on the 21st.
Well, nothing out of the ordinary anyway.
People will be xmas shopping, wrapping presents and generally getting ready for xmas...a few who have spent their entire life savings on shelters and boats and survival pods etc...will be getting themselves squared away in their hideouts, and will be feeling very foolish and very broke quite soon.
On the 22nd December, expect a LOT of online adverts for cheap, rock bottom priced survival pods...(must arrange own transport though!)
Originally, for years now, the online world has been 'Nibiru this' and 'Planet X' that, and how we're screwed because the passing failed star system and it's flock of 7 satellite planets is going to play havock with our gravity and that of our Sun...well..that is and always has been total BOLLOCKS..8 days until the 21st...and no sign of a brown dwarf and acompanying planetary system, no sign of unnatural plate techtonics, no unusual volcanic eruptions, no unusual Earthquakes, no nothing out of the ordinary.
We'd see the bloody thing with our unaided eyes if the thing was only 8 days away.
The whole 2012 thing has been a fraud, to sell millions of books, documentaries, movies, billions spent on UG bunkers and survival pods, and even one or two replica sized Arks have been built.
I'm glad the 21st is just around the corner..perhaps now, the endless fearmongering and 'prophesy' bullshit will finally come to a grudging, but VERY welcome end.
Until the next frigging lunatic starts that the Mayans got the dates wrong, and it's really the end in 2013...honest...wanna buy a survival pod mate?
Well, nothing out of the ordinary anyway.
People will be xmas shopping, wrapping presents and generally getting ready for xmas...a few who have spent their entire life savings on shelters and boats and survival pods etc...will be getting themselves squared away in their hideouts, and will be feeling very foolish and very broke quite soon.
On the 22nd December, expect a LOT of online adverts for cheap, rock bottom priced survival pods...(must arrange own transport though!)
Originally, for years now, the online world has been 'Nibiru this' and 'Planet X' that, and how we're screwed because the passing failed star system and it's flock of 7 satellite planets is going to play havock with our gravity and that of our Sun...well..that is and always has been total BOLLOCKS..8 days until the 21st...and no sign of a brown dwarf and acompanying planetary system, no sign of unnatural plate techtonics, no unusual volcanic eruptions, no unusual Earthquakes, no nothing out of the ordinary.
We'd see the bloody thing with our unaided eyes if the thing was only 8 days away.
The whole 2012 thing has been a fraud, to sell millions of books, documentaries, movies, billions spent on UG bunkers and survival pods, and even one or two replica sized Arks have been built.
I'm glad the 21st is just around the corner..perhaps now, the endless fearmongering and 'prophesy' bullshit will finally come to a grudging, but VERY welcome end.
Until the next frigging lunatic starts that the Mayans got the dates wrong, and it's really the end in 2013...honest...wanna buy a survival pod mate?
Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:12 pm » by Vertigo
regarding the planet x theory...
my guess is that its gonna be "delayed" like: "oh we never said its going to happen on that date but look its still going on the evidence is there..."
more like see the rise in eq's weather patterns change etc etc...
so planet x might lose a little momentum on the internet but it will not die out like the maya myth IMO.
so anyway great that you remind me of the outdoor adverts, would be nice to see a thread for the cheapest outdoor equipment after the holidays
since everything getting expensive i consider camping as vacation in the future. so best moment to buy camping/survival stuff should be around the corner then.
my guess is that its gonna be "delayed" like: "oh we never said its going to happen on that date but look its still going on the evidence is there..."
more like see the rise in eq's weather patterns change etc etc...
so planet x might lose a little momentum on the internet but it will not die out like the maya myth IMO.
so anyway great that you remind me of the outdoor adverts, would be nice to see a thread for the cheapest outdoor equipment after the holidays
since everything getting expensive i consider camping as vacation in the future. so best moment to buy camping/survival stuff should be around the corner then.Last edited by Vertigo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:13 pm » by Arella
Spikey wrote:Nothing is going to happen on the 21st.
Well, nothing out of the ordinary anyway.
People will be xmas shopping, wrapping presents and generally getting ready for xmas...a few who have spent their entire life savings on shelters and boats and survival pods etc...will be getting themselves squared away in their hideouts, and will be feeling very foolish and very broke quite soon.
On the 22nd December, expect a LOT of online adverts for cheap, rock bottom priced survival pods...(must arrange own transport though!)
Originally, for years now, the online world has been 'Nibiru this' and 'Planet X' that, and how we're screwed because the passing failed star system and it's flock of 7 satellite planets is going to play havock with our gravity and that of our Sun...well..that is and always has been total BOLLOCKS..8 days until the 21st...and no sign of a brown dwarf and acompanying planetary system, no sign of unnatural plate techtonics, no unusual volcanic eruptions, no unusual Earthquakes, no nothing out of the ordinary.
We'd see the bloody thing with our unaided eyes if the thing was only 8 days away.
The whole 2012 thing has been a fraud, to sell millions of books, documentaries, movies, billions spent on UG bunkers and survival pods, and even one or two replica sized Arks have been built.
I'm glad the 21st is just around the corner..perhaps now, the endless fearmongering and 'prophesy' bullshit will finally come to a grudging, but VERY welcome end.
Until the next frigging lunatic starts that the Mayans got the dates wrong, and it's really the end in 2013...honest...wanna buy a survival pod mate?
But for a second their i thought you were going to get serious and say santa was not real.
Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:26 pm » by Rich316
What are the chances of our civilisation coming crashing down on the winter solstice? They viewed the winter solstice as a new beginning because the days from then forward, would get longer, more sunshine meant more replenishment, good crop yields etc... Then I expected national geographic to at least mention why they adorned the solstices... 
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Well a different author did mention the solstices.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/111221-winter-solstice-shortest-day-year-december-christmas-earth-science/
.. Well a different author did mention the solstices.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/111221-winter-solstice-shortest-day-year-december-christmas-earth-science/
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