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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:02 am » by Purplepanther


I just dropped into a spot at AOL that stated the crude could still be flowing even into August. They also mentioned that Tuesday is the kick off for the hurricane season. When I read through that article bells rang and my oh shit light came on. It's bad enough to endure the damage at hand but to think about how much more oil could spill between now and August is staggering.
I also read that the 2010 season could be a nasty one, all of this info made me realize just how bad this could be when a hurricane gets thrown into the equation, will the gulf states see black rain this summer and just how will the land vegetation react to such an event?

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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:04 am » by sockpuppet


OMG, what a horrible thought....
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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:09 am » by Drextin


Hey man I live of the gulf coast and I can tell you right now that a hurricane this season will bring oil inland. How far and to what degree I'm not sure but it can;t be good either way.
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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:17 am » by Purplepanther


I reside in the shadows of Detroit and we have had rain come to us from dissipating hurricanes and not to mention we also get what I call land hurricanes when a system gets caught in our great lake troff and spirals around for days until it losses steam, believe me my gulf friend I'm feelin' ya.

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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:18 am » by sockpuppet


purplepanther wrote:I reside in the shadows of Detroit and we have had rain come to us from dissipating hurricanes and not to mention we also get what I call land hurricanes when a system gets caught in our great lake troff and spirals around for days until it losses steam, believe me my gulf friend I'm feelin' ya.


Those rains are caused by the humidity, jet stream, and air pressure. The water for those rains come from the Great Lakes, NOT the oceans...
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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:27 am » by sockpuppet


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oil_spill_hurricane_season



VENICE, La. – As hurricane season approaches, the giant oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is taking weather forecasters into nearly uncharted waters.

The Gulf is a superhighway for hurricanes that form or explode over pools of hot water, then usually move north or west toward the coast. It's now the site of the worst oil spill in U.S. history and along the general path of some of the worst storms ever recorded, including Hurricane Camille, which wiped out the Mississippi coast in 1969, and Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

The season officially starts Tuesday, and although scientists seem to agree that the sprawling slick isn't likely to affect the formation of a storm, the real worry is that a hurricane might turn the millions of gallons of floating crude into a crashing black surf.

"They are going to destroy south Louisiana. We are dying a slow death here," said Billy Nungesser, president of coastal Plaquemines Parish. "We don't have time to wait while they try solutions. Hurricane season starts on Tuesday."

Those worries have only intensified as BP has failed time and again to stem the flow of oil gushing from the blown-out well.

The company's "top kill" effort to plug the well with mud and seal it with cement was the latest in a string of failures to ease the spill. Another solution — a cap similar to an earlier one that failed — is in the works, but won't be tried for at least several days.

Some fear a horrific combination of damaging winds and large waves pushing oil deeper into estuaries and wetlands and coating miles of debris-littered coastline in a pungent, sticky mess.

And the worst effects of an oil-soaked storm surge might not be felt for years: If oil is pushed deep into coastal marshes that act as a natural speed bump for storm surges, areas including New Orleans could be more vulnerable to bad storms for a long time.

Experts say there are few, if any, studies on such a scenario.

In this "untreaded water ... it's tough to theorize about what would happen," said Joe Bastardi, chief long-range hurricane forecaster with AccuWeather.com.

The lone precedent, experts agree, is the summer of 1979, when storms hampered efforts to contain a spill from a Mexican rig called Ixtoc 1 that eventually dumped 140 million gallons off the Yucatan Peninsula. Hurricane Henri, a Category 1 storm, damaged a 310-ton steel cap designed to stop the leak that would become the worst peacetime spill in history.

Still, while oil from that spill coated miles of beaches in Texas and Mexico, tropical storms and unseasonable cold fronts that year helped reverse offshore currents earlier than normal and drive oil away from the coast. Storms also helped disperse some of the oil, Bastardi said.

"That's what I think would happen this time," Bastardi said. "I'm sure a hurricane would do a great deal of diluting the oil, spreading it out where the concentrations would be much less damaging."

At least 19 million gallons, according to the latest estimates, have leaked from the seabottom 5,000 feet below the surface since the April 20 explosion of BP PLC's Deepwater Horizon rig, which killed 11. Syrupy oil has crept into Louisiana's marshes, coating plants, killing some birds and threatening wetlands.

BP has been scrambling for a way to stem the flow of oil. The most promising solution — but still without any guarantees — is the drilling of a relief well that has been ongoing. But that one be completed until at least sometime in August.

By Aug. 1, even under the best-case scenario offered by federal scientists, there could be some 51 million gallons of oil that has spilled into the Gulf — five times the size of the Exxon Valdez disaster off Alaska's coast in 1989.

If all that oil were put into gallon milk jugs, the jugs could be lined up and span a round-trip between Salt Lake City and New York City. Under the worst-case scenario presented by federal scientists, it could be twice that at more than 100 million gallons.

The threat to the marshes could have implications lasting well beyond this hurricane season. Louisiana already has lost huge swaths of coastal wetlands in recent decades, and the oil is a major threat to the long-term viability of that delicate ecosystem.

If the plants that hold the marshes together were to die at the roots, the base would wash away, leaving deeper water and less of a buffer for hurricanes, said Joseph Suhayda, director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center.

"That would increase the amount of surge inland," Suhayda said.

Even without considering hurricanes, there is uncertainty about whether marsh cane and other plants will die to the roots or just above the surface from this oil spill. If the plants' roots survive, they could come back over time. If not, the results could be catastrophic.

"I don't think anybody is going to know precisely. It depends on the quantity of the oil," said David White, a biological sciences professor at Loyola University New Orleans.

There is a chance that a hurricane or tropical storm could offer wetlands a reprieve from the oil, at the expense of areas farther inland. A storm surge of several feet, even if it is carrying oil, would pass over the top of the outer, low-lying marshes and disperse the mess in less toxic amounts, Suhayda said.

But such a storm could also push oil into freshwater marshes where ducks and geese thrive, White said.

Experts are predicting a busy hurricane season with powerful storms. Bastardi predicts seven named storms, five hurricanes and two or three major hurricanes will have an effect on land this year. Colorado State University researchers Philip Klotzbach and William Gray predict a 69 percent chance that at least one major hurricane will make landfall on the U.S. and a 44 percent chance that a major hurricane will hit the Gulf Coast.

Last week, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted 14 to 23 tropical storms this year, including up to seven major hurricanes.

Hurricane season begins June 1 and runs through November. Early season storms are uncommon; the busy part of the season is in August through October. Stronger storms typically form during this time, like Katrina did in August of 2005.

A hurricane like Katrina "would be a worst-case scenario" with oil pushed far ashore, said National Wildlife Federation scientist Doug Inkley.

"It would suffocate the vegetation. You'd get oiled birds and other animals," Inkley said. "It's virtually impossible to clean up oil."

And oil rigs are often evacuated ahead of hurricanes, which would interrupt those containment efforts.

"It wouldn't take a hurricane to create a mess, even a tropical storm could cause problems," said William Hawkins, director of the University of Southern Mississippi's Gulf Coast research laboratory.

A hurricane could also push the oil in a new direction.

"I think what worries us most is the hurricane taking oil to areas that probably wouldn't be hit hard otherwise, like the Florida Panhandle and Texas," said Gregory Stone, director of the Coastal Studies Institute at LSU.

Even though the oil has yet to reach Florida, state Attorney General Bill McCollum recently sent a letter to BP asking the company to assure him it would pay up if a tropical storm or hurricane pushes oil ashore, which he believes "will capture the oil in its path and deposit it much further inland."

Bastardi said that in the near term at least, the storms themselves remain the chief threat.

"If a Category 3 hurricane is headed to the Texas Gulf Coast — and this is simply theoretical — I wouldn't be worried as much about damage from the oil, as the damage from the hurricane," Bastardi said.
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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:50 am » by Purplepanther


Thank You for the feedback Sockpuppet, I do understand the tech of Michigan's unique weather patterns. I really have seen systems make it to Michigan from the gulf when the conditions were right. Sometimes things hit me like a ton of bricks and this was one topic that I felt should be posted and it's good to know that others are also pondering this possible event to possibly be better prepared if it does happen.

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PostMon May 31, 2010 5:54 am » by Drextin


panther you are correct. Storms coming off the gulf can carry heavy rainfall all the up to canada. I don't give a shit what the "experts" say.........a hurricane sits out in the gulf long enough it will suck up massive amounts of oil tainted water. Its what fuels the hurricane.

Now it will be interesting to see if the oil has any effect of the hurricane itself. Like could the water being oil heavy help evaporate the storm or could it slow the storm down enough that it grows into a superstorm possibly higher than a cat 5?
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PostMon May 31, 2010 6:21 am » by Purplepanther


Good point drextin, I was sure it would pick up the crude but didn't think about the actual mechanics, they would have to rewrite the books if a cat 6 was formed.

I'm still a little shook up from that false flag, spock fell right into that one.

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PostMon May 31, 2010 6:29 am » by Spock


Off the top of my head. And I'm not in any way saying this wasn't a catastrophe; but wouldn't the oil, if anything, possibly hinder condensation? Does the amount of water taken from the ocean actually hold down the winds of a hurricane, or strengthen them?

I understand we're in for a nasty season (according to the weather channel).

Should be interesting to say the least. My ass ain't on the coast - PRAISE!!!!


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