Dead Spy In a Bag, 'Probably Locked Himself In' Police Say.

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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 9:14 pm » by Constabul


Police believe spy-in-the-bag Gareth Williams probably died accidentally and no-one else was involved in his bizarre death.

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GCHQ codebreaker Gareth Williams probably died after locking himself inside his own holdall, a fresh police review of the case has found.

The naked body of the 31-year-old was discovered in the bag in his central London flat in August 2010 triggering speculation that he had been targeted by foreign agents because of his work.

However, the latest investigation by the Metropolitan Police has found that Mr Williams, who had a keen interest in escapology, probably died alone in an accident.

Detectives believe the codebreaker, who was on secondment to MI6, locked himself into a sports bag in his bath and managed to padlock it from the outside without leaving any DNA traces.

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The conclusion of a 16-month Scotland Yard review reverses the view of its own original investigators who found it was "highly likely" there was third-party involvement.

And it effectively overturns the finding of a coroner who said last year that Mr Williams was probably killed unlawfully.

The inquest had heard that two experts had tried 400 times to lock themselves in a similar bag but had failed.

However, days after the inquest had finished, an Army Sergeant showed how it was possible to climb into the North Face holdall and do up the zip before padlocking it shut.

Mr Williams' family issued a statement responding to the outcome of the police investigation saying that they still felt the coroner's verdict best represented the circumstances of Mr Williams' death.

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They also slammed MI6 or failing to raise concerns after Mr Williams went missing, therefore jeopardising the chances of getting information that might have helped to find the cause of his death.

The statement said: "This lack of concern for Gareth's well-being remains an over-riding feature of our thoughts following the death of a dear son and brother.

Announcing the findings on Wednesday, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said the investigation had included that "on balance, it is a more probable conclusion that there was no other person present when Gareth died".

He said that suggestions police had been duped by the intelligence service because the investigation contradicted the coroner's findings were "beyond credibility" and said he had not had the "wool pulled over my eyes".

He admitted that initially restricted access to MI6, using a team of counter-terrorism police to act as a go-between for the murder squad and the security services, was "cumbersome" and meant they couldn't do the investigation as they wished.

However, he said, that had changed and officers had been given full access to details of Mr Williams' work.

He said: "Three years of extensive investigative activity have developed a very clear profile of Gareth. He was, without doubt, a private person who was very close to his family and had few other close friends. That said, the universal view of colleagues was of a conscientious and decent man with a few well-known hobbies such as his cycling and climbing.

"There is no evidence of any animosity towards Gareth, and it has not been possible to identify anyone with a motive for causing him harm."

Mr Williams was found inside the bag in the bath at his Pimlico flat on August 23, 2010.

Pathologists said he would have suffocated within three minutes of being locked inside the bag. They said that none of his DNA had been found on the lock on the bag and his palm prints were not found on the rim of the bath.

At his inquest in April last year, the coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox warned that it was unlikely the mystery of Mr Williams' death would ever be satisfactorily explained.

She said: "The cause of his death was unnatural and likely to have been criminally mediated.

"I am therefore satisfied that on the balance of probabilities that Gareth was killed unlawfully."

The Metropolitan Police review into the case was launched after the inquest.
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MI6 spy Gareth Williams death 'probably an accident', police say

The death of MI6 spy Gareth Williams, whose body was found in a padlocked sports bag, was probably an accident, police have said.

Last year, a coroner said it was likely Mr Williams, 31, from Anglesey, had been unlawfully killed in August 2010.

But the Metropolitan Police said an evidence review had found "it was more probable" no other person was present when he died in his London flat.

Mr Williams's family said they stood by the coroner's findings.

In a statement, they said: "We are naturally disappointed that it is still not possible to state with certainty how Gareth died and the fact that the circumstances of his death are still unknown adds to our grief.

"We consider that on the basis of the facts at present known, the coroner's verdict accurately reflects the circumstances of Gareth's death."
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Mr Williams's body was found naked at his flat in Pimlico on 23 August 2010 after colleagues raised concerns for his welfare.

He had been on a secondment with MI6 from his job as a communications officer at the GCHQ "listening post" in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.

Police discovered his body inside a zipped-up red sports holdall, in the empty bath of his bathroom.

It had taken a week for MI6 to investigate the code-breaker's disappearance, and a post-mortem examination carried out by a Home Office pathologist failed to determine the cause of death.

During a seven-day inquest in May 2012, the question of whether Mr Williams could have padlocked himself into a bag in a bath was central.

Pathologists said he would have suffocated within three minutes if he had been alive when he got inside it.

None of his DNA was found on the lock attached to the bag and his palm prints were not found on the rim of the bath.

Coroner Fiona Wilcox concluded that "most of the fundamental questions in relation to how Gareth died remain unanswered".

But she said he was, "on the balance of probabilities", unlawfully killed.

At a briefing on Wednesday, the Met Police announced the conclusion of its three-year investigation into the incident.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said he was satisfied it was "theoretically possible" Mr Williams could have padlocked the bag from the inside, although "many questions remain unanswered" as to the circumstances of his death.

But he said there was no evidence that the MI6 officer had intended to take his own life or that his death was connected to his work.

And he insisted it was "beyond credibility" that he had been misled.

"I do not believe that I have had the wool pulled over my eyes. I believe that what we are dealing with is a tragic unexplained death," he said.

There were about 10 to 15 traces of DNA in the flat from which it had not been possible to gain full DNA profiles, but all other DNA profiles and fingerprints had been eliminated, said DAC Hewitt.
'Endless speculation'

DAC Hewitt also said there was no evidence that Mr Williams' flat had been forensically cleaned, adding it was a "fallacy" that it had been deep-cleaned in such a way that only certain DNA was left in the premises.

He acknowledged that the coroner, having studied "all the evidence available at that stage" had made "the logical inference that it was more likely someone else was involved in Gareth's death".

"However, she also recognised that there has been endless speculation but little real evidence and it was her view [that] 'it is unlikely that his death will ever be satisfactorily explained'," he said.

"Now at the end of our investigation, based on the evidence, or where we have been unable to find positive evidence, we believe that it is a more probable conclusion that there was no other person present when Gareth died.

"But the reality is that for both hypotheses, there exist evidential contradictions and gaps in our understanding."

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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 9:21 pm » by Webcat


There was also no-one present when Dr. Kelly killed himself - apparently.

He also managed the near impossible by cutting both wrists - apparently.

So its a trait in the UK - if you 'work' for the government - apparently.

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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 10:00 pm » by Temps13


Oh I don't buy this not for one moment..no no no this is homicide how can you leave no dna traces or not have a back up blade as a safety precaution..this is another cover up-escapologist my arse.This is a murder technique.

Regarding Dr.Kelly,he was the head scientist at Porton Down (biological warfare research) & had been on the hit list along with over a hundred other micro biologists that were murdered in the last 14 years..all were experts in the management of breakouts of artificially created diseases,allegedly.
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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 10:25 pm » by Noentry


What a load of :bullshit:

Here is another assassination that was committed by the British secret service.
Which was also covered up.


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Did Robin Cook, MP die a natural death?

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OK, folks, I have put my conspiracy theorist hat on again and am just wondering because his death, from heart failure while hiking in the Scottish mountains, came but a short while after he made the following statement:

“There is no Al-Qaida: The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . .”

He made this statement apparently on Friday, August 5, 2005 and, as said, a day after this, Robin Cook and his wife, Gaynor, took a two-week holiday in the Highlands of Scotland. At around 2:20 pm, on Saturday, August 6, 2005, whilst walking down Ben Stack in Sutherland, Scotland, he suddenly suffered a severe heart attack, collapsed and lost consciousness. A helicopter containing paramedics arrived 30 minutes after a 999 call was made. Cook then was flown to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness. Gaynor did not get in the helicopter, and was left to walk down the mountain. Despite efforts made by the medical team to revive Robin Cook in the helicopter, he was already beyond recovery, and at 4:05pm, minutes after arrival at the hospital, was pronounced dead. Two days later, a postmortem revealed that Cook died of hypertensive heart disease.

In a column for the Guardian four weeks before his death, Cook caused a stir when he described Al-Qaeda as a product of a western intelligence: Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.

Thus, Al-Qaida, as an Islamic army, is the figment of the imagination of the CIA and now used in order to create false flag operation to facilitate a reason for suppressing the freedoms of the people more and more. Now who would have thought.

The problem, however, is that almost everyone in the Western world seems to believe what they are being told by their respective governments as to the supposed existence of this Islamic army and thus those Islamic terrorists.

The question as to whether Robin Cook's death was a natural one or one induced by something or other must remain standing in the room, so to speak. And there are, in my mind at least, also serious questions as to the response of the emergency services at the time of the incident.

It took the chopper 30 minutes to arrive. This was a heart attack victim and any delay would have fatal consequences.
His wife did not get into the helicopter. Why not? I assume they did not want her aboard. If that is the case then why?
And because of the fact that no witnesses were present on the flight no one can prove that they did everything to save his life.

Let's face it! Robin Cook was becoming a danger to the establishment by making the statements that he did as regards to Al-Qaida and the rest and thus Ii would not put it past any of the governments to be behind his death.

I am sure we will never, at least not as far as Ii am concerned, get a satisfactory answer to this and all anyone is ever going to do is regurgitate the official line. Thus we must think our own thoughts on this matter and be ever watchful.
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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 10:46 pm » by Opalserpent


Yeah I agree, he knew too much so mi6 and mossad friends had to deal with him.
The police are forfilling their duties as merely security for the elite.

I realise now that police are useless, they just make money from fines and protect the businesses
of the rich and clean up the scum at night off the streets.

Maybe MI6 should investigate themselves.
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PostWed Nov 13, 2013 10:56 pm » by Kinninigan


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why would they even say he was a spy on the media unless the people that killed him want to send a message to someone else






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PostThu Nov 14, 2013 12:12 am » by Cwmman


If he was a spy that new to much he wouldn't have been found dead in his flat.

If he was a spy that new to much he wouldn't have been found.

............ He wasn't a spy,

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PostThu Nov 14, 2013 12:16 am » by Constabul


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PostThu Nov 14, 2013 12:17 am » by Noentry


Cwmman wrote:If he was a spy that new to much he wouldn't have been found dead in his flat.

If he was a spy that new to much he wouldn't have been found.

............ He wasn't a spy,

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Police believe spy-in-the-bag Gareth Williams probably died accidentally and no-one else was involved in his bizarre death.


might be worth reading the op.
The whole world knows he was a spy.
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PostThu Nov 14, 2013 12:40 am » by Cwmman


They called him a code breaker.

Someone else called him a spy.

Read the op.

Do a daily star crossword in a HMG building and you could be a code breaker to...
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