Death bed promise....

[Cornbread714 Profile]

What a beautiful story, Hesop.
I've had several experiences that certainly made me consider the possibility of an afterlife.
One or two I've already talked about on other threads.
I could give a few more personal examples, but they are rather personal and would take a lot of space to tell the full stories, but I've heard and read of so many other people's similar experiences that I have to be open-minded.

Your account is really compelling and I'm sure you are being completely sincere and honest. When something like this happens in someone's life (as it has in mine and yours and countless others) it is really difficult to discount or ignore.

[Cornbread714 Profile]

Here's one way I've looked at it:

Let's say that I am observing you drinking a cup of coffee out on the patio of Tim Hortons. Let's also say that I have the ability to move backward and away at the speed of light. As I move away from you at the speed of light, the light that has been reflected off of you would travel in the same direction as me.

Technically, if I am travelling at the speed of your reflected light, in the same direction it is being reflected to, I will stay in that observable moment of you drinking coffee on the patio at Tim Hortons.

It is really hard to explain what I mean, but it's the same idea that we are witnessing the light of stars that is hundreds to billions of years old. You may look at a star in the night sky and enjoy it's light, thinking that it still exists, but it may have well gone supernova millions of years ago, but the light pattern of that event has yet to reach this point in space. So, while technically the star doesn't exists anymore, we observe it to exist and know no better. But even if we are lucky enough to witness the last of a dying star's light, the entire history of it's light is still zooming through space. Meaning that another observer behind us, will still believe that star to exist.

And since light is energy, and it will always continue to travel away and toward us with some personality of the object or experience it has been through. Meaning that, as long as the light from that dead star is still hurdeling toward the edge of the universe, it will somehow always exist, regardless of what we believe about it's physical being.

Because of Atheism and the belief that death is just death, I sort of stumbled on this cold hard scientific reality of light. Now I believe that as beings of complex energy, we will forever transcend the physical molecular world we now live in.

Good post, and I agree with your hypothesis. Also, if you take your analogy back to the microcosm, the light from your friend across the table is also reaching yours eyes after the event happened, even though he is only a few feet away.
When you look at all of reality from this relativistic viewpoint, the question of what "now" is becomes very slippery indeed.

[Dmtshaman Profile WebsiteYIM]

If one believes that there is no afterlife then this life is utterly meaningless...which it is not. If we want a connection with the aftrelife realm one does not enter it ego first...all ancient and current wisdom teachers all preach the same message to connect to the other...ego loss. This includes all our current cultural programming techniques and opinions that we are blinded by. To contact other spiritual realms one must enter without preconceived notions of what it is...its not as simple as picking up a telephone and speaking. It has to do with inner thinking and inner connection, the contact will come from within... ..it will be a inner voice. We can choose to ignore these inner voices and think of them as imagination but imagination is the other realm...its the source of all inner visions and communications. Our belief in this is not necessary for this to exist, its only needed to connect...we can choose not to believe in a divine creator but this does not mean one does not exist, all this means is you choose not to have a connection to this divine being...so if you say there is no afterlife you will have no immediate connection to it or its residences...creating a road block in your mind. The biggest enemy is not the illuminati or the new world order it is ourselves, we are the biggest threat to ourselves, our ego blinds us from truth and inner wisdom. The ego is like a walnut encapsalating our spirit and full potential in this 3 dimensional realm...
So as far as the dead making communication back to this realm, it really has to do with how advance that person was before death...it takes a special spirit full of love to break through into this world...love will attract love spirits...evil will attract evil spirits. My life was once filled with darkness but once the light was shined on me ive never looked back...and things just keep getting more mystical as the days go by, a new path has been unfolding for me and I no longer live a life focused on fear and suffering. Communication to deceased people is a daily routine for me...as long as I keep the spirits alive within me, they guide and help me daily...and YOUR belief in this is not needed for this to exist in MY life...test your inner limits and you will be surprised as to what you can conjour up.

[Bobbyinedmonton Profile Website]

Wow, Hesop! That gave me chills. Not bad chills, but chills none the less.

Interesting Bobbie, very well thought out. The only part I disagree with is the patio at Timmies, never seen one in my area. I really like the train of thought though

Haha... You'll see Tim Horton's soon enough.

Good post, and I agree with your hypothesis. Also, if you take your analogy back to the microcosm, the light from your friend across the table is also reaching yours eyes after the event happened, even though he is only a few feet away.
When you look at all of reality from this relativistic viewpoint, the question of what "now" is becomes very slippery indeed.

It's funny how I comprehended this on the Astro level, but I didn't think of it's effect right before my eyes.

This thread gives me a very warm feeling about the future. While I realize that there will be anarchy and death in the coming times, I also realize that the very topics we are discussing here today are absolutely groundbreaking. We as collective individuals, many of us without degrees or religious appointments, are here observing, realizing and waking up to the nature of science and spirituality. And I hold strong to my belief that this thinking and awareness will shape 2012 to be the year it will be.

[Wwiles Profile]

I believe that when we die, the experience is so overwhelmingly different that we lose touch with "reality" as we knew it. The "reality" or plane or whatever you want to call it, is so different that you can't even relate to the physical world that you once lived in. Unless of course you have issues that keep you attached to this plane.(ie dying suddenly/not knowing your dead).

[Snake Plissken Profile]

Wow, thank you everyone for ALL of your posts, you all have some amazing thoughts on this, Hesop your story gave me the chills too, thanks for sharing, thats an incredible story.

Drex: I dont have any religion, but i just cant get away from my gut feeeling that there is some kind of existence after death. Maybe even...re-incarnation, but that might be wishfull thinking!

A few other posters have bought up the notion of how energy cannot be destroyed, this makes sense to me, though im not 100% on what i think happens when we die, i did once have a very odd Psychic (she claimed) lady come up to me out of the blue and tell me that i was an old soul (her words!) and that i had but two or three more re-incarnations in this existence to go before i moved on to something new. Very weird, didnt even know her, she just told me this and i never saw her again!

Maybe its just not possible to come back, maybe my Great grandfather really did try every trick in the book to make contact, or maybe there really is nothing after we die. Maybe be its for the better that the dead cant contact the living, i dont know.

I think, just based on instinct, on what i feel, that there is something more, that we continue to do something after we die, i guess i will never truly know until the time comes!!!

Thanks agin to everyone, this post has made some really interesting reading so far.

[Cornbread714 Profile]

Maybe its just not possible to come back, maybe my Great grandfather really did try every trick in the book to make contact, or maybe there really is nothing after we die. Maybe be its for the better that the dead cant contact the living, i dont know.

Another possibility could be that when a person reaches "the other side" - no matter what promises they made in this world to come back and give a sign - they see that it's better to let us evolve as humans on this plane without giving out all the "answers".
It seems pretty obvious to me that we are not supposed to get the "answer key" so easily...

Taking the test with the answers given to us isn't much of a challenge, is it? But I think we get hints and clues sometimes (since humans tend to be a bit slow). A real education consists of being given some information and being shown how to arrive at our own conclusions.
That's what this existence feels like to me - a school (I can't wait to graduate).

[Clawspiracy Profile]

Perhaps it isn't so much that your grandfather didn't keep his promise. He did. By making that promise, he made you remember him, and here you are asking this question to strangers... What does your gut tell you? Forget about us, what we think.

Maybe the signs were subtle. And I am agreeing with Drex that if he could not "make it back" he went where he was supposed to go...

[Purplehaze65 Profile]

I really need to tell you two stories and my own personal theories.
Here goes,

After my Grandmother died (I really don't know how long preciesly but that's not so importend to me) I had this dream, I was with my Grandmother and someone I interpreted as Prince Bernhard (a Dutch prince who was once married to queen Juliana).
I am sure since I never knew my biological grandfather I just symbolised the , let's say most recent "monarch"of my family tree that way.
So far the symbology of the dream up to here.
We were at the base of some tower and we climbed it for a while, at a certain point we didn't go any further up but my grandmother said goodbye, ofcourse I didn't want her to leave without me because I was always quite fond of her, but she made it clear to me (without a word being spoken) that I just couldn't come along.
What happened then will stay with me for the rest of my life,, she "sent" to me a feeling of so much love so unconditional and so pure it made it almost easy to let her go without being selfish in any way, so they leave.
Next thing I remember I am at a bus stop where I am supposed to wait until I got picked up, to be brought back to where I came from.
After that I woke up feeling no sadness at all about my grand mother dying because I knew she loved me and had moved on BY CHOICE, but she had to say goodbye and let me know,,no! not Know but FEEL how much she loved me as I am.
Then there is this weird dream, a lot shorter,

I dreamt I was A bird flying around in my neighbourhood, I landed on a brach in some tree in a local park.
From there on I can still fly but was a bird no more.
When I flew away and landed in the park I saw someone I interpreted as being superman, and because I knew I could fly I dared him to fly just like me , him being superman and all.
I flew away and he did not.
Then I woke up.
normaly end of story, but it isn't, not yet.
That same day some 3 hours later I went out to walk my dog in the same park as in the dream.
To my amazement there was this kid playng in a superman outfit (or maybe pajamas).
Is that weird or not?

[Clawspiracy Profile]

@ purplehaze65

Not weird, but profound.

I hope that it isn't just silence and eternal sleep. It's a hard concept to bear. It seems to me that more and more this view keeps getting pushed. What does it do for human morale?

Nothing. It says that it gives us scientific proof and freedom, but no hope for a spiritual awakening. It's a sorry existence, empty. Why have such an imagination and creativity as a species if all we can do is lay our heads in a grave in silence?

Give me a universe to play with when I die, and let me help guide it. Being part of it might be fun as long as some intellectual part of this "I" is still there.