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PostThu Oct 22, 2009 7:21 pm » by Chatdepoivre


It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear.
Douglas MacArthur

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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency.
Douglas MacArthur

WW2
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PostThu Oct 22, 2009 8:52 pm » by jetxvii


ogmios wrote:Yhe idea is Jet, that institutions such as the NHS are controlled by a democratic state. Nothing is perfect but at least the poor are not left out. The NHS doesn't have shareholders. The people who benefit are those who use the service and, of course, those employed by it. GSK etc still profit from the huge amounts of drugs dished out to the populace but that's a small price to pay for a universal service.

The NHS in the UK is now like a religion. It's such a huge institution, employing almost 1.5 million people. You could argue that it's the best thing to happen in Britain since the war. Some things have been reversed. For example, dentistry and eye tests/spectacles used to be universally free but now only those on benifits don't have to pay.

But you asked:
try telling me how socialized anything would work? without someone gaining from it?


Well there's my attempt at an answer. The NHS is almost completely untouchable by government although, should the tories get in, there will probably be big cuts in funding.



you know what, thank you for that good, and very non direct attack rebuttal. I appreciate good hearted debate.. I would like to add to what you wrote, or start my own.

I think they way other countries have it worked out is different from American policies. however I do not think socialism in any sense would work unless someone was gaining from it. and when you put a government in control of an equality program, you can pretty much guarantee and read between the lines of who gained and who is benefiting from it..

I support medical care for everyone hell yes. my Mom has M.S., sister has on and off cancer tumors. so I would like to see that they are taken care of while they can still take care of themselves... the industry is not all about what people have to pay. you want to point a finger at someone you should look no further than the medical companies themselves, charging ridiculous amounts for their tools, labor, services, processing.

In America here the number one defense of people supporting this is "IT'S THOSE GD INSURANCE COMPANIES.... AND THEIR DOG TOO"

when I see that as being far from the truth. it's on the right track but it still fails to hit the core issue of the ridiculousness of the medical industry ( if you can even call it a "Medical" industry anymore)

American Government sucks, that is the truth. anyone who doesn't see that anything that American Government does is a lie a farce to dupe you out of more money should get their eyes checked... I love my country but I absolutely hate our government and if it wasn't for Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich and a few...very few other in good standing I would just Revolutionize the whole system and take them out of power. starting with the Federal reserve and any other private banks.

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PostThu Oct 22, 2009 9:08 pm » by Darkplanet


jetxvii wrote:
Works just fine in Canada dipshit.


actually no it wouldn't when you look at it. so try again. and this wouldn't be Canada... how about that one. how well would it work? you obviously haven't read any of this post only the parts you wanted to see.

try telling me how socialized anything would work? without someone gaining from it?

our constitution and policies and agendas in the power house country of the world is a bit different from yours Buck O, not to say that all countries don't have their problems.....

Dipshit...Pfft. :badair: :top:



Huh? God man, 80% of the junk that comes out of your mouth doesn't even make sense. Its like someone tied you to a tree and pounded this stuff into your head from some kind of twisted Rovian playbook.

Canada is by and large a socialist country and have done extremely well with their social programs. FOR DECADES. Just as many other countries have.

Who benefits? YOU and your FAMILY do! EVERYONE benefits.

America needs to grow the hell up and adapt or die.

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PostThu Oct 22, 2009 10:38 pm » by jetxvii


darkplanet wrote:
jetxvii wrote:
Works just fine in Canada dipshit.


actually no it wouldn't when you look at it. so try again. and this wouldn't be Canada... how about that one. how well would it work? you obviously haven't read any of this post only the parts you wanted to see.

try telling me how socialized anything would work? without someone gaining from it?

our constitution and policies and agendas in the power house country of the world is a bit different from yours Buck O, not to say that all countries don't have their problems.....

Dipshit...Pfft. :badair: :top:



Huh? God man, 80% of the junk that comes out of your mouth doesn't even make sense. Its like someone tied you to a tree and pounded this stuff into your head from some kind of twisted Rovian playbook.

Canada is by and large a socialist country and have done extremely well with their social programs. FOR DECADES. Just as many other countries have.

Who benefits? YOU and your FAMILY do! EVERYONE benefits.

America needs to grow the hell up and adapt or die.



LOL you make me laugh buddy, honestly. your attempt at proving that no one gains from it is that it is working?

LOL ok so as long as you the tax payers keep paying from your pockets for everything you can't change your own diaper without government intervention. I am not questioning whether it would work. that isn't the question. the question is the Debt it is producing and who is gaining and collecting a fat paycheck.. the American government is sinister and it wouldn't do this to help their citizens. our policies and set up of government is different from yours Canuck. I respect Canada but when you say something that you obviously don't know to much about its pretty lame.

can you tell me how a fractional reserve system works? could you give me a thesis on the site you copy and pasted it from in your own words about what it means?

until you can I would recommend studying up on it.

Maybe one day when you have a country that basically rules the world and terrorizes their own citizens for money, oil, and war machines you can understand.

America needs to grow the hell up and adapt or die.


your country is just as much to blame for corruption as any...

NAU

"our pocket full of private bankers is better than your private bankers".....LOL... :lol:

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PostSat Oct 24, 2009 10:32 am » by Liberal


In today's political world a liberal is a person who puts the pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness, before the pursuit of wealth and power. A modern liberal is focused on the rights of people over the rights of corporations.

A perfect example is the recent incident were conservative leader and Rebublican congressman Eric Cantor told a constituent at a town hall meeting that her friend should seek charity to cope with recent medical condition rather than offering to be of assistance himself.

A liberal would, without fail, step up and provide service to their constituent rather than pass them off to charity.

That is what defines a modern liberal, a genuine concern for people, not profit!!

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PostMon Nov 09, 2009 7:56 pm » by Blackjack1875o


http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07 ... swine-flu/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/2 ... 41642.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/4 ... u-vaccines
http://www.todaysfinancialnews.com/tfn- ... -9811.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04075.html
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/08/who- ... obamacare/

http://www.mixx.com/stories/9034224/ful ... _care_bill
The final bill sets up over a dozen czars, and even pushes elementary schools as vaccination testing centers, the public option Obama promised has also made it's way OUT of the bill. This is obviously because the extreme liberals REQUIRE the system to be mandatory in order to fully profit from their pharmaceutical investments. They even tied jail-time to non-compliance with the new healthcare bill, and it will cost 5 million jobs by its own projection.

Obama himself coerced the public by saying that the same people that are causing the problem wouldn't be able to fix it, and then proceeded to fill his personal cabinet with bankers. The very people who currently ARE the problem, is he really gonna fix anything with them? This is your basic liberal, spit what you want to hear, do what they want to do.

What scares me, is that because one can quote a conservative, who's first concern is to not use taxpayer money for processes that charities often do currently handle, (and I won't argue they are the best, many charities often become corrupted, but the medical industry isn't entirely promising by itself, just ask cancer patients who are forced to go to charity, many doctors are pessimistic) but moreover that because one can simply quote conservatives as linking to charity, instantly assumes that liberals are non-profit.. This is not the case, and is also an incredibly dangerous assumption. A negative doesn't force a positive out of the counter-opinion, both could be negative.

Unfortunately the liberal democratic party has had such a heavy record of tax increases that it has negatively effected communities, small businesses and charities across our whole country. Taxing is just guaranteed income for the bankers and politicians, please pay attention to what the liberal agenda DOES and who profits (not just what spindoctored speeches sell you), just as scrutinously as you pay attention to the conservative one and who profits from it. Neither is free from public disagreeance, but the liberal media, doesn't advertise liberal scandals.

Learn a little bit about history of the democratic organization and you might just realize, that the word liberal has been brought up as a methodology to redefine their stance, without having to change their stance too much.
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=C ... ge&pid=401

To ignore the content of these links is far more dangerous than recognizing that someone CAN/WILL profit from it, even if you assume republicans are the only ones who ever try and profit from policy.

The honest to God truth is right now:
The Socialist® party are doing pretty much whatever they want and the Monopolist© party is powerless to stop them. No the parties have stopped meeting in the middle to make policy for people.

Just go watch a video of, Obama Acorn Election Fraud, he's got a nasty history of teaching others how to profit from court pressure, but that's just the kind of tool liberals abuse.

If you want to tell everyone liberals are non-profit and concerned about everyone, make sure you have facts, and don't just quote a conservative who you didn't agree with and make up non-factual premises, quotes aren't always the facts, they reflect opinions, and opinions aren't always factual to the actions of politicians either.

Life, liberty, and happiness huh?
They're pro abortion, they've cost more American lives than WW2 and Vietnam together, they're not too protective of life really, if you think its just because its a blob of fetal cells, sure whatever, it's still alive, they still don't care.
Liberty, well they could've made a healthcare bill that wasn't mandatory and didn't allow them to decide what insurances would even be let into the state healthcare system, no they don't seem to care about free market, and consumer choice, they are now in control of the market itself, they have a long history of taxing and prosecutive law-making, their given practices are to enstate more gun control, and to ensure that your children are schooled in the liberal public school system, even at times pressuring home schooling parents with courts to get more funding in schools.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/free ... 11385.html
Happiness huh, I personally would be happier if I didn't see the liberals lie through their teeth constantly, but you may be happy eating them up, either way, neither political party is making everyone happy, if that were possible.

A liberitarian stands for what you assume liberals stand for, if liberals weren't some of the biggest liars and misdirectors on the face of the planet.


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