Deuems Research Findings

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I figured it was time to open our own thread for our findings. From time to time we look into all different types of things, mostly Science, Space, UFOs and NASA. Since findings can go either way, positive or negative to the reader, I always do my best to present the facts as I find them and let the viewer decide. Sometimes I add notes or thoughts, Real, possibilities or Sci-Fi.

I would like there to be some rules in this thread. Please keep it clean and intellectual. By all means you have the right to voice your opinion or ask questions. No slander will be allowed. No fighting or misbehaving or it will stop very quick. I hope the moderators will pick up on this and we can have a good thread of just work. Pass on information to each other and have fun.

Topics or Projects will change as the research does. It maybe a moment, a day or month between updates, I don't know yet but I really hope this will work out and that the moderator will assist if there are any problems....

As far as the Original Deuem program goes, I can not post the exact findings anywhere on the web. The worked photos come out to well over hundreds of mbs each. So the photos I post using Deuem are but a shadow of the real thing. That is why I add notes from time to time explaining what I see. We also finished a quick version of Deuem that can be done in less than 15 minutes but at a much lower res, Most of the time, I now use that one otherwise I have to wait a few hours. Unless one was going to view or print the results out at full scale, the PC version can give us an equivalent version when viewing at less than 600 px. The full program could print a billboard sized photo in full clarity if needed. Maybe I should try that some day. Full size goes from 6,000 to near 60,000px. Ouch, not this my PC.....

As of lately, we have been looking at a lot of Mathematical proportions to see if pictures are real or fake. This is something still in its infancy and I would love to have another member join in and follow what we are doing and apply the method to his/her own prints. If you are using a CAD program, join in. From now on, all of our Gif files will be pushed through the Cad program, sized, labeled and then sent to gif. I hope to keep it as real as I can.

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You got me hooked.

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The first project on the list is from NASA, Apollo 17. There is a series of 4 pictures of Astronaut Cernan with the Rover. The reports on line say they were taken on the 3rd lunar excursion by Astronaut Schmitt. I would like to look at the photos and compare them the best I can from different points on the prints.

The inclosed photos were downloaded from the web site in Hi Res.
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

The 4 photos to work with are
1) AS17-140-21388 http://www.apolloarchive.com/apg_thumbnail.php?ptr=555&imageID=AS17-140-21388
2) AS17-140-21389 http://www.apolloarchive.com/apg_thumbnail.php?ptr=556&imageID=AS17-140-21389
3) AS17-140-21390 http://www.apolloarchive.com/apg_thumbnail.php?ptr=557&imageID=AS17-140-21390
4) AS17-140-21391 http://www.apolloarchive.com/apg_thumbnail.php?ptr=558&imageID=AS17-140-21391

After downloading the 4 photos and archiving them, the next step is to bring them into the CAD program. I will post that next.

Deuem

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posting for subscription, interested to see what goes on in this think tank you got goin.

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Thanks rinzler & mrmcnuggets,

My first step on this workup is to load the originals in CAD.





All of the originals were added at a scale size of 750, which works out for me that the Astronauts are about 2 meters tall when placed. Then some text is added to insure future work does not get mixed up.

This is what they look like in CAD. At this step the photos have not been altered in any way except the insert size. The originals were all the same size to begin with.


I now have a handle on them. I can scale, rotate, crop, measure as needed to each other. Tolerances are set at 1mm. All work is done at +/- 0.5mm or as close as one can get. With blurred photos, sometimes one has to guess a little. But at 750 times the picture scale, the guess is pretty good.

From the above 4 prints, I then made a gif which just shows the 4 prints as downloaded in sequence. I am using Falco ( a free download gif maker ) and prior to creating the gif files, I duplicate the photos and change the px count down to 700px. DTV only allows 750px on their forum. So the originals have been down sized.


Hope you can follow, I am on to the next step
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For the Next step I chose to master the photos to the flag pole.
It seems to be the only thing that is not moving.
Seeing how the flag pole is stuck in the ground and is not changing size. I will size and rotate the photos to align with a 90 degree axis and scale all the flags to the same size.

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1 Start with Flag, as listed above.


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2 The Flag, a Blow up


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In the next step we have to determine where the center line of the flag is. Using extreme close up of the flag poles top tip, I start a line in the very center and then drag it down to the ground. Check for centrality and move on.

3 Add the flag line


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Next is Vertical axis. In Cad a vertical line can be drawn using the machine. Add a vertical line and place it on the intersection of the flag pole tip line.

4 Vertical line added


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In Cad you can ask the computer to place dimensions on the print. By starting with the flag pole line to the vertical line we get a dimension of 6 degrees as reference.

5 Flag angle


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A circle was added to the intersection vertical vs flag. This is going to be our point of rotation.

6 Rotate point


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Next step is to rotate the photo the 6 degrees or what ever degree they are out of axis. When done the flag line should line up with the vertical line. Program note. The actual rotation angle is calculated by Cad during the selection process, the 6 deg was rounded for viewers. The actual number is very precise and close to 6. Final rotation is perfect.

After doing this to the first photo, I then do the same thing to the rest.

7 Result of rotation


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Sizing the photos to the same Flag Scale. This step is debatable for sure. In later gifs we can scale all 4 photos to different items. For now, the first one, we will use the flag and see how the rest of the photos relate to it. OK?
To scale the flags, the first thing we need to do is measure them. I picked the same top tip and then, at the bottom of the flag there is a gray connector, I picked the center of that. Add the dimensions to all flags. Remember this is at 750 times photo scale so the exact point is very, very close but still a guess.

8 Pick 2 points


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After looking at the measurements I picked out 21389 to be the master. It measured right at 600. Next we scale the remaining 3 drawings to match 600 for the flag height.

All of the scaling was done from the Flag tip.

When scaling be sure to pick the photo and the measurement and the flag line.

21388 is at 581 so it needs to be enlarged.
600/581=1.0327. Enlarge photo 21389 by 1.0327 scale factor

21390 is at 784, so it needs to shrink.
600/784=0.7653. So Shrink the photo by 0.7653 scale factor

21391 is at 789, so it needs to shrink.
600/789=0.7605. So Shrink the photo by 0.7605 scale factor

9 all the flags


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By this time all of the photos have been rotated to the flag pole and sized to the one we picked, So they are in perfect Mathematical proportions to each other as far as the flag goes.

10 finish flag scale


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In the next step we will look at the final product of this work.
I hope to do it tomorrow if possible.

For the viewers, it would be helpful for one of you to add a bump line with a different name other than Deuem. Then when you see my name again you know I have updated this thread. I know a bump is very helpful to get to the head of the line but with out it people have to remember the dates and only a few of the old timers do that.

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In this Gif, the very tip of the flag pole was used as the center point of the gif. If you place your mouse point on it you will see it does not move and everything moves in relation to the tip. As before the flag is still rotated and all 4 are now the same size.

As far a posting every step along the way, it is a lot of work and probably only needed one time for reference. So unless requested or I think it is necessary to prove a point I will only be posting the results with notes.

So here is the Flag Gif



The vertical cross hair was moved to the left so you could see the flag pole.
Next, I will look at the Astronaut and see what we get.
Deuem

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Deuem. You are THE MAN. You should offer frutty some picture analysis classes because w.e the fuck he does with the blending and the zooming of everything into each other gives me an idea of what his life is like, and thats nothing pretty to dissect. His Mandlebrot is not running correctly since he thinks space is fake, kinda messes up the repetitive pattern.
it's like being stuck in a bad trip..

Very nice descriptive skills. You my space pirate friend, gets a nice flooo. p.
, for another man of the numbers.

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Thanks mrmcnuggets,

On the next step of the Ceran photos, I am going to attempt to show the comparison of the Astronaut with the surroundings. The reason I say attempt is because he is in a different position in each picture. To the best of my abilities I took the last shot, 91 where he is standing up right. I am using the dimension 2 meters for his height. So he was scaled to 2 meters. From the bottom of his shoe to the top of his helmet. Even if this is off, it will not mess up the gif because we are using scaling to each other. In the next step, I processed as well as I could the center line of his visor, You can make out the circle with the cross hairs. I then did the same with the other 3 photos and measured all 4 circles and scaled the 3 remaining to the photo 91. This will give me the best approximation I can get from the visors. Using the visor cross hairs I then centered all photos on the line vertically. Using the 91 photo. I set up a frame around it and then copied the frame to the other 3 photos using the visor cross hairs. This will give me 4 photos that are all centered on the visor with 4 Astronauts the same size or as close as I could get. I then processed the gif and it is below. The master I worked from was the CAD set up of all the Flags 90 degrees to the horizontal axis as shown earlier in this thread. You can also see that the flag pole is straight up and down. I hope you can follow the above, if questions, feel free to ask. There is a lot being done with the program to accomplish this. I hope I did not leave anything out.

Here is the Astronaut Visor Gif



I hope you are all making notes on what you see. At the end of this Cernan project I hope to make a list of findings and post them here. What is different, what do you notice, what can we learn from this picture and how does it relate to other 17 mission photos. Can we also use one to study another. Using angles, shadows, mountains and so on?

Feel free to place a bump, so you know when I have updated again and you see my name.

I think I will go for the mountains next..............
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Deuem. You are THE MAN. You should offer frutty some picture analysis classes because w.e the fuck he does with the blending and the zooming of everything into each other gives me an idea of what his life is like, and thats nothing pretty to dissect. His Mandlebrot is not running correctly since he thinks space is fake, kinda messes up the repetitive pattern.
it's like being stuck in a bad trip..

Very nice descriptive skills. You my space pirate friend, gets a nice flooo. p.
, for another man of the numbers.

Hi, If you can get the NASA photo numbers for this, I will do it after I am finished with Cernan. There is something in this gif that I need to look into. A clue, Flag facing flag. I got 1 or 2 gifs to finish up on Cernan so we can do it next.

To let you all know, Like I said what ever I find out, good or bad I will post. Within the NASA photos there are a lot of problems and I want to get to the bottom of them if we can.

Proving something is fake or real from a photo is hard work, it takes a combination of work and a good memory to put the puzzle together. I still say NASA went to the Moon. Lets see what we find out together.

Deuem