Did Nimrod kick-start paganism?

[Slamgunshark Profile]

Probably The Watchers creating catalysts for choice as per The Law of Confusion.

[Master Otomon Profile]

Probably The Watchers creating catalysts for choice as per The Law of Confusion.

Dunno if you read my other thread, but the Aztecs where actually "waiting" for Quetzacoalt to return so that he may restore his ritual-less and spritualful religion. They got spaniards and Jesus instead.

[Slamgunshark Profile]

Probably The Watchers creating catalysts for choice as per The Law of Confusion.

Dunno if you read my other thread, but the Aztecs where actually "waiting" for Quetzacoalt to return so that he may restore his ritual-less and spritualful religion. They got spaniards and Jesus instead.

I am very aware of that, and also isn't it coincidental that these religions (most of them) all have a "return" of their savior?

but we are to buy into 1 type of savior?

I am not a mainstream religion guy, but I do believe that somehow these people across the oceans were linked informatively somehow, before the times of settlement and discovery of course.

[Minihaha Profile]

Probably The Watchers creating catalysts for choice as per The Law of Confusion.[/quote]

I was wondering if you could direct me to where I can find out more info/insights regarding the Watchers?

[domdabears Profile Website]

You're a nimrod.

LOL that's the only time I've ever heard of the word, "Nimrod".

[Troll2rocks Profile]

Bumped for the mind factoring nimrodness of something!

[Newearthman Profile Website]

Interenting

This presentation talks a lot about Nimrod, in this guys view he was one of the main rulers of Earth at the time.

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[SonOfGodEternalFlame Profile]

(16) Ham

'Yt is observed that Cham and his famely, were the only far Travellers and Straglers into divers unknowne countries searching, exploring and sitting downe in the same: as also yt is said of his famely that what country soever the Children of Cham happened to possesse there beganne both the lgnoraunce of true godliness...and that no inhabited countryes cast forth greater multytudes, to raunge and stray into divers remote Regions'.

Thus the findings of one William Strachey, who added to these words in 1612 the following damning indictment, accusing Ham's posterity of instigating:

'...the Ignoraunce of the true worship of God...the inventions of Heathenisme and adoration of falce godes, and the Devill...' (Hodgen p. 262, see Bibliography).

It must be said that Strachey, in writing such words, was hardly departing from the norm of opinion that historians had been voicing for hundreds of years before him. Indeed, whenever the origin of heathenism or paganism was treated, it was invariably to Ham and his immediate descendants that the accusing finger would be pointed, and not, it seems, without reason.

Even if we discount the testimony of earlier historians, who it could be said, were unduly biased in their opinions either on a cultural or religious basis, we are nevertheless presented with overwhelming and indisputable archaeological evidence that all of the early Hamitic peoples were given over to the most debased and degraded systems of thought and worship. Indeed, to say that they were merely deprived of the knowledge of God would be an understatement, for the immediate descendants of Ham were so quick to divest themselves of that knowledge, and so thorough were they in its complete extirpation among themselves, that we can only conclude that they consented to and were partakers in some grand and wilful conspiracy to destroy that knowledge altogether. In fact, it is within only a few generations of their migration from Babel, that we read of the Canaanites, the Sodomites and others as having filled their cups of iniquity. And this conclusion is more than adequately confirmed by all the documentary and archaeological evidence that has come down to us. Indeed, even if the Bible had itself remained silent on the matter, then the extra-biblical evidence would have been more than sufficient to force us to the sad conclusion that the early Hamitic nations deliberately rendered themselves devoid of all saving knowledge of the One True God.

Regarding Ham himself, secular history is almost completely silent save for the fact that Africa was once known as the Land of Ham. The Egyptians likewise called their own land Kam.

HAM (16)
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Cush (17) Mizraim (26) Put (35) Canaan (36)
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Sebah Havilah Sabta Raamah Sabtecha Nimrod | |
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Sheba Dedan | |
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Ludim Anamim Lehabim Naphtuhim Pathrusim Casluhim Caphtorim |
(27) (28) (29) (30) (31) (32) (34) |
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Zidon Heth Jebusite | Girgashite Hivite | Sinite | Hamathite
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Amorite Arkite Arvadite
Table 2. THE LINEAGE OF HAM. The peoples of Ham's line populated parts of Asia Minor, the Arabian Peninsula, and eventually the entire continent of Africa - once known as the Land of Ham.

(17) Cush

Josephus writes:

'...time has not at all hurt the name of Chus (i,e. Cush); for the Ethiopians over whom he reigned, are even at this day both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Chusites'.

The name of Cush is preserved in Egypt's hieroglyphic inscriptions as Kush, the name referring to the country that lay between the second and third cataracts of the Nile. This same land was later known as Nubia. Additional confirmation of this location is given in an inscription of Esarhaddon of Assyria (681-668 BC), who tells us that he made himself king of 'Musur (see 26), Patorisi (see 31), and Cush'. Some assert that the name of Cush was also perpetuated in that of the Babylonian city of Kish, ostensibly one of the earliest cities to be built after the Flood (see Map 2).

(18) Sebah

He founded the nation that was known to later history as the Sabaeans, Strubo writes of their chief town of Sabai and its harbour of Saba, both of which lay on the west coast of the Arabian peninsula (see Map 2).

(19) Havilah

The progenitor of the Hamitic tribe of Havilah, his descendants settled on the east coast of Arabia overlooking the Persian Gulf, where their land was known to the pre-Islamic Arabian cosmographers as Hawlan (but see 72). Kautsch renders the name as Huwailah, and confirms their settlement on the eastern coast of Arabia (see Map 2).

(20) Sabta

Josephus records the name of his (Sabta's) descendants as the Sabateni. Ptolemy knew them as the Stabaei, and Pliny called them the Messabathi. They settled on the eastern side of the Arabian peninsula. Sabta's name is also preserved in the ancient city of Shabwat, the capital of the Hadramaut (Hazarmaveth, see 63) (see Map 2).

(21) Raamah

We know from the inscriptions of ancient Sheba (see 22) that Raamah's descendants settled near to the land of Havilah (see l9) to the east of Ophir (see 7l). They are known from other sources to have traded with the children of Zidon (see 37) in the city of Tyre (see Map 2).

(22) Sheba

Minaean inscriptions from the north Yemen, which are dated to the ninth century BC, tell us that Sheba was that kingdom's southern neighbour. The land of Sheba is also known to us from Assyrian records of the eighth century BC. Sheba was once famed as the Land of Spices, and we know from the vast archaeological ruins, some of whose walls still stand some 68 feet above the desert sands, that the land was extremely fertile, being watered by ingenious irrigation systems that were controlled by a vast dam that once spanned the river Adhanat. In the year 542 BC, however, the dam collapsed after more than a thousand years of service, an event that is recalled today in the Koran and described there as a judgment of God upon the people. The ancient world knew of Arabia as consisting of four 'spice kingdoms', these being Minaea, Kataban, Hadramaut (Hazarmaveth, see 63), and Sheba (but see 95) (see Map 2).

(23) Dedan

His posterity are known to have traded with the Phoenicians. Identified from various cuneiform inscriptions, their main place of settlement was the city that is known today as Al-ula, which lies some 70 miles south-west of modern Taima (see l09) (see also 96) (see Map 2).

(24) Sabtecha

Identified by Josephus as the Sabactens, Sabtecha's descendants appear to have settled in south Arabia, the modern Yemen (see Map 2).

(25) Nimrod

Writing in 1876, George Smith tells us that,

'Nearly thirteen hundred years before the Christian era, one of the Egyptian poems likens a hero to the Assyrian chief, Kazartu, a great hunter...and it has already been suggested that the reference here is to the fame of Nimrod. A little later in the period BC 1100 to 800, we have in Egypt many persons named after Nimrod, showing a knowledge of the mighty hunter there.' (Chaldean Genesis p. 313)

In fact, Nimrod was probably the most notorious man in the ancient world who is discredited with instigating the Great Rebellion at Babel, and founding the very features of paganism, including the introduction of magic astrology and human sacrifice. There is, moreover, much evidence to suggest that he himself was worshipped from the very earliest times. His name, for example was perpetuated in those of Nimurda, the Assyrian god of war, Marduk, the Babylonian king of the gods; and the Sumarian deity Amarutu. His image was likewise incorporated very early on in the Chaldean zodiac as a child seated on his mother's lap, and both mother and child were worshipped - a pattern since repeatedly followed throughout history. He was also worshipped as the god Bacchus, this name being derived from the Semitic Cush, meaning the son of Cush. A mountain not far from Ararat has been called Nimrud Dagh (Mount Nimrod) from the earliest times, and the ruins of Birs Nimrud bear the remains of what is commonly reputed to be the original Tower of Babel. Likewise, Sir Walter Raleigh's History of the World (1634) shows a map in which the Caspian Sea was once known as the 'Marde Bachu', or the Sea of Bacchus. One of the chief cities of Assyria was named Nimrud, and the Plain of Shinar, known to the early Syrians as Sen'ar, was itself once known as the Land of Nimrod. Iraqi and Iranian Arabs speak his name with awe even today, and such is the notoriety of the man that his historical reality is quite beyond dispute (see Figure 4) (see Map 2).

(26) Mizraim

A collective name, these people settled in Egypt. Indeed Mizraim is still the Israeli name for that nation. The name is also preserved in the Ugaritic inscriptions as msrm; the Amar tablets as Misri; and in the Assyrian and Babylonian records as Musur and Musri. Modem Arabs still know it as Misr. Josephus relates a curious episode that he called the Ethiopic War, an incident that was apparently well known throughout the ancient world. According to this account, some six or seven nations descended from Mizraim were destroyed, clearly a major conflict that would have had profound and far-reaching repercussions on the world of those times. Josephus lists those nations that were destroyed as the Ludim (see 27), the Anamim (see 28), the Lehabim (see 29), the Naphtuhim (see 30), the Pathrusim (see 31), the Casluhim (see 32) and the Caphtorim

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This is why the call it Babylonian mystery religion and also ties to Egypt.

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Shem - abraham

[Perry LaGuardia Profile]

Many people declared themselves god, and made Towers in honor of themselves.

look at the egyptians.

Ziggurats were ancient towering, stepped structures made of mud brick that appear to have served as temples to the ancient gods of Mesopotamia. Ziggurat bases were square or rectangular. Their walls were sloping.

To build a ziggurat, builders stacked squares of diminishing size, like a step pyramid, but unlike a step pyramid there were stairs to climb to the next higher level. With a base of about 50 feet to a side, ziggurats may have been as high as 150 feet. At the top was a small room assumed to be a religious place. Ziggurats may have been conceived of as homes for the ancient gods.
Ziggurats in the ancient world were the centerpiece in any city where they were built, and they were more than a place of worship to the ancient Mesopotamians, they were the dwelling places of the gods. Babylon for example had a Ziggurat in the heart of their city. The Ziggurat was a temple on a man-made mountain where they would perform religious ceremonies exalting the god of that city. It is interesting that the Babylonians actually designed the architecture of the Ziggurat. They looked like pyramids but they were stepped rather than smooth. Ziggurat's usually contained seven stories, the bottom story would be the largest, the next story would be slightly smaller, and the next would be slightly smaller, and that is why it looked like a stepped pyramid. The Temple of Ishtar built in ancient Nimrud by King Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon was actually built over the ruins of an earlier Ziggurat believed by some to have been the Tower of Babel.

[Master Otomon Profile]

Wow good stuff all three of you! Can`t believe I ignored this topic for over 3 years.. tells you how distracted I was....