Some say it was all a huge Hoax, Some say we defiantly were there when they say we where. How else could we have deployed the reflection mirrors and gathered the rock’s or was it a $40 million dollar trick.



After 40 years' reflection, laser moon mirror project is axed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... er-funding

some said its impossible to go with the engines they (suposed to) used
pictures seem fake, other pict not....

some day we'll know !!

i read so many theories
i like to think 50/50%

My ratio is 25% for it (going) and 75% against it (going to the moon)

What do you think savwafair? do you think we went? what evidence do you use that supports that we didn't go? I am interested to hear.

Good video by the way, here is another good one that I found:
Apollo Zero: (the presentation is amateur but very professional in approach, the narrator sometimes loses his cool but that is ok)














I picture the moon landing as a Default, considering they can't answer all the questions it is just a default assumption that we did go, not necessarily a guaranteed 100% proven fact.

I believe we went to the moon but we must admit that the first landing was more than just landing on the moon, it was a race or competition to be the best on the planet. We could not loose that race to the Russians or anyone else. There is a 50/50 chance that the first mission was faked to win. But I do believe we went there on later missions once we had the race behind us and more time to work on it.Also I know the theory of the radiation belts, but those guys were ready to die for there country, some radiation wouldnt stop them from achieving the goal if they really had too. But its true that our spacecraft are not protected from the radiation as much as they should be, but I doubt the little door on your microwave gives enough protection as we think either or the radiation we eat from microwaving our foods, that doesnt kill us. And the shuttle was never meant to go to the moon, its just a shuttle , it moves freight to and from orbit and the iss. The Moon Game is very expensive in many ways ,it takes many educated people to form its workforce ,costing billions of dollars, and most important of all costing the lives of many people from around the world. It would take a new nasa, and new spacecraft and a new workforce to go back to the moon , not to mention the trillions it would probably cost us to achieve a futuristic moon base, which we would want. So when you put this in perpective, the odds on the stories we hear from nasa and the government ocassionally going to send manned missions to mars and stepping foot on mars in the near future are just dreams and lies to keep us giving money to the black projects.... and this make me think hahaha why has'nt tylonol and other companies cured the cold after all these years and all the billions they have earned? Maybe all these corporations are all linked together in this Military/Industrial Complex!

I too believe we went there on later missions once we had the race behind us and more time to work on it. Also I know the theory of the radiation belts, but what they stated is that they crossed though the VARB at it thinnest point above the Artic pole. This is a believable theory in my eyes. The rock's that where brought back did have traces of cretin elements that could not have come from our atmosphere. (Well so they said at least) Can someone tell me when the reflector thing was first installed and why on Earth would they scrap it after 40 years. Was it telling them that the moon was moving closer

so you think we had the capability on the second one and not the first one?

the first was in July 16th 1969.

the second was in november 14th 1969

we had the potential to go the second time but not the first when there was only 4 months left to work anything out, not to mention all the programs that went into space were already in production during the first release of the Apollo 11 and before...

I don't know that just doesn't make sense that we couldn't before and did 4 months later I just can't see what would be the big difference that made us go that time.

Also what I don't understand is how the readings of the van allen radiation belt changed semi previously and right after we went to the moon, when before we even thought it was possible we were told it was dangerous, and not able to get past as the trapped radiation there would be thousands of times past the safe limit.

I went into this more awhile ago with Aladin I believe, but it doesn't seem feasible, also the fact that they are trying to come up with a way to drain the belts of it's radiation.... now why would they do that? As Ghost Explained we don't usually get problems from our microwaves and radiation in that, but when it comes to the belts we went there several times and nothing happened to anyone of those guys so why would we take a precaution to drain the belts for next time? when technology improved and safety standards would be determined from the previous trips?

Also the laser reflection could be due to reflective metals on the surface, I don't know why anyone hasn't thought of that, but it could be bouncing off of Ice or some type of reflective surface for all we know, kind of the same way we see the suns reflection in the ocean or sun dogs, it is reflecting off of something, but many surfaces reflect laser objects.

Alot of questions, but I will wait until more people chime in to write more..

The Eagle DID land on the moon with Buzz and that other guy, all he drama of the craft over shooting its target etc was real drama,Nasa however had no idea what was going to happen next, or what might be seen by the astronaughts so once the eagle had landed there was a 2 Hour blackout. now, check the vids, as the lander comes down it is firing its boosters and dust and debris are thrown everywhere as you would expect, during the blackout NASA pulls on the old swithcheroonie, the studio had to be made to look like the area where the lander was, craters reformed and the lander placed back in the scene, however...they ommited the blast crater, and amaturishly leftother evidence lying around, like the bottle that can be seen close to the flag etc. then once the stage was set we go back to the images, where we get commentry from the moon and an actor doing his best to mimic neils actions, hence the reason that we lose the time differential. neils legendery speech becomes almost instantanious with the footage, had it been images of neil himself, he would have had to make the speech a good four or five minutes before leaping of the ladder in order to match up so acuratly! so, buzz and neil are off doing there thing while we watch a bunch of mimes working ot a commentary, then its home time, evey one bundles back into their respective landers, then we watch the lander take off and ascend back to the heavens

did you all get that?
let me run it by one more time,

we watch the lander take off, and ascend... it goes up... the camera follows it !

its a stationary camera, stuck to the arm of the landing gear, it cant possibly pan upwards of its own accord so unless someone got left behind to film that (incidently HAS neil been seen since the moon landing?) or the greys were recruited as camera operators , then it is kind of obvious that that was filmed in a studio! after that little debacle we then swithch back to the real landers camera to witness the genuine ascent and the redocking procedure and home coming

so, to answer the post, yes we went to the moon in our primitive tin can spaceships, but no one outside NASA has ever seen it.

HI folks, thought it's time I stopped reading and did a post or two,
I would like to respond to the post above mine,
erm...there were NO vids of Apollo 11 landing LIVE, they showed the FILM from the camera hung on the decent stage after they got back, so, as there was NO live footage broadcast from the Eagle on the moons surface until after the astronauts left for their EVA and activated the camera, so I don't understand what you mean by a "blackout"

I am an old fart and remember the day, I sat up all night in the uk watching the TV,
the astronauts were supposed to take 4 hours sleep after they landed, but they persuaded mission control to let them go early, preparation for the EVA took a couple of hours, and through all that time we were hearing them live on the tv but NOT seeing them,
and I move to your remarks about the live broadcasting of the lift off, and this idea that there was someone else on the moon filming the take off,
well, for a start, I mean I know the folks at NASA aint the sharpest tools in the box, what with them being rocket scientists n all that, but, don't you think someone somewhere in their organisation might have said "oh NO!! stop guys, we will never get away with this...who is holding the camera"???
the facts are that they did NOT show the apollo11 lift of from the moons surface live or otherwise in fact the ONLY film of the lift off is some footage shot from INSIDE the accent stage of the LEM as it lifts off,
the lift off's were not show live on more than 2 or 3 occasions and this was in the later missions when they took the lunar rover with them, this vehicle was fitted with a TV camera that was operated from Earth by a guy in mission control,
the way around the delay in the signal to allow them to film the lift off live,,,is again hardly "rocket science" there is something like a 2 second delay (aprox) between the controller inputting the command to the camera, and the camera reacting,...so, the lift off count down gets to 3,... start tilting ya camera...hey presto as if by magic, the camera tilts back exactly at the moment the LEM launches,

they went, it's not fake, deal with it,

Madmod is an pathetic idiot and yes...i believe Apollo was on ze moon...due to the refelectors and other shit, so its sad to hear that sis awesome project will be not funded anymore after 40 years!

to the 2 skeptics, I wont debate the camera shots on the moon, I will however take any satellite pictures you may have showing a distinct moon rover pattern or a picture of a distinct Module. until them the camera, shadow, lighting theory can't be proven by theorist or skeptics..

I also wonder if you saw the movie I posted? It is alot more than the "wires" "shadows".

just wondering if you cared to watch the movie that may challenge your views....