Discovery Thats More Important Than The Dead Sea Scrolls!!!
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:25 am » by Chrisfryfyi
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Now before you read this article, A Christian prophecy clearly states that the start of the "End Times" Will begin with the unveiling of books. Now these are not any books, They are made of diffrent metals and the plates was sealed.
Israel's archaeological establishment believes they are a fake. But could a collection of metal books be an early example of Kabbalah?
Robert Feather is out to prove the sceptics wrong. A metallurgist with a passion for archaeology, he has been asked to help authenticate what he believes could be one of the most exciting religious discoveries since the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The West London Synagogue member has previously published a book on the Copper Scroll, the Dead Sea Scroll thought to hold clues about the location of buried Temple treasure.Now he is trying to establish the origins of a mysterious cache of metal books which could be linked to the Kabbalah.
The objects belong to Hassan Saeda, a Bedouin farmer in Galilee who says they have been in his family's possession since his great-grandfather found them in a cave in Jordan, a century ago.
His collection consists of more than 20 codices (early books), cast mostly in lead and containing cryptic messages in Hebrew and Greek along with symbols such as the menorah. In various places, the Hebrew letters appear to stand for Bar Kochba, leader of the second-century Judean revolt against the Romans; and the talmudic mystic Shimon bar Yochai, who hid from the Romans in a cave for 13 years.
"The first time I heard about the discovery, I was extremely cautious," Mr Feather said. "However, when I was given an opportunity to see and examine some examples…and visit the cave where they were said to have come from, my scepticism was allayed."
The books appear to be "Kabbalah-related and the nature of the content indicates a magical incantation style of writing," Mr Feather said. Before 400 CE, almost all ancient codices were made of parchment. The lead codices "predate any form of codex by several hundred years and this particular material was probably chosen to ensure permanency."
The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), however, has dismissed the idea that the books are of any value. Experts who examined some of them, it said, "absolutely doubted their authenticity". According to the IAA, the books are a "mixture of incompatible periods and styles…without any connection or logic. Such forged motifs can be found in their thousands in the antiquities markets of Jordan and elsewhere in the Middle East."
Professor Andre Lemaire, an expert in ancient inscriptions from the Sorbonne, was also dubious, saying the writing on some of the codices he had seen made no sense and it was "a question apparently of sophisticated fakes".
Undeterred, Mr Feather instead cites the findings of Peter Northover, a metals analyst at Oxford University. Conducting tests on two samples of metal from one book, Dr Northover concluded that their composition was "consistent with a range of ancient lead," and that it was clear from the surface corrosion that the book was "not a recent production".
The IAA remains unconvinced, arguing that the metal could have been taken from an ancient coffin while the messages could have been fabricated later.
But Sasson Bar-Oz, a lawyer representing Mr Saeda, the artefacts' owner, believes that the IAA did not carry out extensive enough checks. "My opinion, after a lot of time on this project," he said, " is that they are genuine."
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Now before you read this article, A Christian prophecy clearly states that the start of the "End Times" Will begin with the unveiling of books. Now these are not any books, They are made of diffrent metals and the plates was sealed.
Israel's archaeological establishment believes they are a fake. But could a collection of metal books be an early example of Kabbalah?
Robert Feather is out to prove the sceptics wrong. A metallurgist with a passion for archaeology, he has been asked to help authenticate what he believes could be one of the most exciting religious discoveries since the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The West London Synagogue member has previously published a book on the Copper Scroll, the Dead Sea Scroll thought to hold clues about the location of buried Temple treasure.Now he is trying to establish the origins of a mysterious cache of metal books which could be linked to the Kabbalah.
The objects belong to Hassan Saeda, a Bedouin farmer in Galilee who says they have been in his family's possession since his great-grandfather found them in a cave in Jordan, a century ago.
His collection consists of more than 20 codices (early books), cast mostly in lead and containing cryptic messages in Hebrew and Greek along with symbols such as the menorah. In various places, the Hebrew letters appear to stand for Bar Kochba, leader of the second-century Judean revolt against the Romans; and the talmudic mystic Shimon bar Yochai, who hid from the Romans in a cave for 13 years.
"The first time I heard about the discovery, I was extremely cautious," Mr Feather said. "However, when I was given an opportunity to see and examine some examples…and visit the cave where they were said to have come from, my scepticism was allayed."
The books appear to be "Kabbalah-related and the nature of the content indicates a magical incantation style of writing," Mr Feather said. Before 400 CE, almost all ancient codices were made of parchment. The lead codices "predate any form of codex by several hundred years and this particular material was probably chosen to ensure permanency."
The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), however, has dismissed the idea that the books are of any value. Experts who examined some of them, it said, "absolutely doubted their authenticity". According to the IAA, the books are a "mixture of incompatible periods and styles…without any connection or logic. Such forged motifs can be found in their thousands in the antiquities markets of Jordan and elsewhere in the Middle East."
Professor Andre Lemaire, an expert in ancient inscriptions from the Sorbonne, was also dubious, saying the writing on some of the codices he had seen made no sense and it was "a question apparently of sophisticated fakes".
Undeterred, Mr Feather instead cites the findings of Peter Northover, a metals analyst at Oxford University. Conducting tests on two samples of metal from one book, Dr Northover concluded that their composition was "consistent with a range of ancient lead," and that it was clear from the surface corrosion that the book was "not a recent production".
The IAA remains unconvinced, arguing that the metal could have been taken from an ancient coffin while the messages could have been fabricated later.
But Sasson Bar-Oz, a lawyer representing Mr Saeda, the artefacts' owner, believes that the IAA did not carry out extensive enough checks. "My opinion, after a lot of time on this project," he said, " is that they are genuine."
Spooky shit!
n check out the latest edition to A2U
"Val mooda'gun"
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peace
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:12 pm » by Lucylastik
There's only two people in the world capable of translating the codices and they are Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett. A so called Aramaic expert attempted to translate them when he failed he declared them as fakes. So much for a so called expert who recognised that the codices were not written in Aramaic but another language.
Today, an Aramaic translator has completed his analysis of the artifacts, and has found what
he says is incontrovertible evidence that they are fakes.
“I obtained photos of all the text that was available, and spent the past week looking over
them,” said Steve Caruso, a professional Aramaic translator and teacher who is consulted by
dealers of antiquities to analyze inscriptions on ancient artifacts.
“I noticed there were a lot of Old Aramaic forms that were at least 2,500 years old. But they
were mixed in with other forms that were younger, so I took a closer look at that and pulled
out all the distinct forms that I could find,” Caruso told Life’s Little Mysteries. “It was very,
very odd — I’ve never seen this kind of mix before.” The youngest scripts he identified,
called Nabatean and Palmyrene, date from the second and third centuries, proving the
documents could not possibly have been written during the dawn of Christianity, Caruso said.
“I was a little bit surprised that they did take on as much media coverage as they did,”
Caruso said. “The media took the press release hook, line and sinker without doing serious
investigation. If they had they would have found that David Elkington, who brought them to
the forefront, is in the fringe of academia
So, here we have a so called expert in Aramaic declaring that the codices are fake because
this so called Aramaic expert failed to decipher the codices.
Like any academic trying to make a name for themself in order to gain world wide
recognition when they fail to come up with the goods he declares them to be fakes phonies
copies or even corrupted without the slightest bit of evidence to prove otherwise.
All thats been proved so far is that this so called Aramaic Expert failed to recognise that the
codices do not contain the Aramaic alpabet or language this is clear and apparent.
The question remains if the language used is not Aramaic then it must be another language?
surely that must occur to everyone reading this.
J.F. Champollion claimed to have deciphered the heiroglphs but he used three alphabets or languages to come to this conclusion. Ask yourself how many nations use three languages when only one will do? Even today Egyptologists are still making false misleading translations using Champollions method.
What was the secret hidden language that can decipher heitoglyphs perfectly?
What is the secret language used to protect the most precious of all records such as the codices. Would any intelligent leader or king entrust these documents to be copied by an illiterate individual using papyrus? I doubt it, lead was a precious metal but would keep and last for centuries. Thats why lead was used and was engraved by one of the best known and trusted scibe at the time.
Academics know nothing, it was once said that it is better not to be educated and know something than to be educated and know NOTHING.
Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett have already recognised the language and are currently working of translating it because no one else is capable of the task.
Even if they were able to translate it the Ancient British Histories would have to be recognised by the English Establishment and thats one thing they dont want to do.
Because it would reveal the lies fabrications and fairy tales it has foisted on the British for Centuries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6HO0rQLMdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd1evD7PTK4
Today, an Aramaic translator has completed his analysis of the artifacts, and has found what
he says is incontrovertible evidence that they are fakes.
“I obtained photos of all the text that was available, and spent the past week looking over
them,” said Steve Caruso, a professional Aramaic translator and teacher who is consulted by
dealers of antiquities to analyze inscriptions on ancient artifacts.
“I noticed there were a lot of Old Aramaic forms that were at least 2,500 years old. But they
were mixed in with other forms that were younger, so I took a closer look at that and pulled
out all the distinct forms that I could find,” Caruso told Life’s Little Mysteries. “It was very,
very odd — I’ve never seen this kind of mix before.” The youngest scripts he identified,
called Nabatean and Palmyrene, date from the second and third centuries, proving the
documents could not possibly have been written during the dawn of Christianity, Caruso said.
“I was a little bit surprised that they did take on as much media coverage as they did,”
Caruso said. “The media took the press release hook, line and sinker without doing serious
investigation. If they had they would have found that David Elkington, who brought them to
the forefront, is in the fringe of academia
So, here we have a so called expert in Aramaic declaring that the codices are fake because
this so called Aramaic expert failed to decipher the codices.
Like any academic trying to make a name for themself in order to gain world wide
recognition when they fail to come up with the goods he declares them to be fakes phonies
copies or even corrupted without the slightest bit of evidence to prove otherwise.
All thats been proved so far is that this so called Aramaic Expert failed to recognise that the
codices do not contain the Aramaic alpabet or language this is clear and apparent.
The question remains if the language used is not Aramaic then it must be another language?
surely that must occur to everyone reading this.
J.F. Champollion claimed to have deciphered the heiroglphs but he used three alphabets or languages to come to this conclusion. Ask yourself how many nations use three languages when only one will do? Even today Egyptologists are still making false misleading translations using Champollions method.
What was the secret hidden language that can decipher heitoglyphs perfectly?
What is the secret language used to protect the most precious of all records such as the codices. Would any intelligent leader or king entrust these documents to be copied by an illiterate individual using papyrus? I doubt it, lead was a precious metal but would keep and last for centuries. Thats why lead was used and was engraved by one of the best known and trusted scibe at the time.
Academics know nothing, it was once said that it is better not to be educated and know something than to be educated and know NOTHING.
Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett have already recognised the language and are currently working of translating it because no one else is capable of the task.
Even if they were able to translate it the Ancient British Histories would have to be recognised by the English Establishment and thats one thing they dont want to do.
Because it would reveal the lies fabrications and fairy tales it has foisted on the British for Centuries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6HO0rQLMdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd1evD7PTK4
Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:26 am » by Eliakim
Well we know from the Isaiah Copper Scroll that they did inscribe metals. As far as I am aware, there was also different dialects of Aramaic. Geza Vermes, the most renowned DSS scholar shared that the Aramaic spoken in the South was different to the Aramaic spoken in the North. In the same way that an uneducated person would write differently to an educated person. Vermes wrote that the Southerners made fun of the Northerners much like they do in England. In fact, to hear some in the North, its like listening to a different language. Then we have the huge influence of the Egyptians and the Greeks in ancient biblical times.
If I was close to these codices, I would enlist an expert from the area, I would ask a Syrian that still speaks and writes in the original Aramaic close to the North of Israel. I would give the honor to the Syrians to take a look at these codices not the West. If they were true, this could be a feather in the cap of the Syrians and could help to unite the Syrians with Israel. Remember, Aramaic was also known as Syriac and God calls it Syriac and we made a post on that in the past on a different forum.
Also, as far as I am aware, Hebrew used today was based upon the biblical script. So if they find a word that isn't in the biblical script or on any archeological find how do they determine what it is and what it means? Hebrew as 22 letters in its alphabet what if there is more than 22?
However, there are 70 of these codices and a lot more have to be tested before anyone should discount them or try to translate them IMHV.
My heart is open to all eventuality of potentiality.
If I was close to these codices, I would enlist an expert from the area, I would ask a Syrian that still speaks and writes in the original Aramaic close to the North of Israel. I would give the honor to the Syrians to take a look at these codices not the West. If they were true, this could be a feather in the cap of the Syrians and could help to unite the Syrians with Israel. Remember, Aramaic was also known as Syriac and God calls it Syriac and we made a post on that in the past on a different forum.
Also, as far as I am aware, Hebrew used today was based upon the biblical script. So if they find a word that isn't in the biblical script or on any archeological find how do they determine what it is and what it means? Hebrew as 22 letters in its alphabet what if there is more than 22?
However, there are 70 of these codices and a lot more have to be tested before anyone should discount them or try to translate them IMHV.
My heart is open to all eventuality of potentiality.
Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:56 am » by Harbin
The future is forward, not back there.
Back there was a different time.
Timeless wisdom can no doubt be sifted from the political and social contrivances of the time in which it was written.
However, now is now and now is not back then.
I read over and over how you are not bullshitted by the PTB now and their contrivances.
Why see these old tomes as any different ?
Old
is still .
How can the events of the past compare to modern accomplishments ? Look at our modern cities. Was "Atlantis" any better ?
Perhaps some of what we are sold as history is too. Consider a source Aesop.
Was his telling of the story of Atlantis made out of whole cloth ? Could be. Could be from tales of the past. Let us consider those tales. What was the intent of the tales ?
Looks like a yarn to urge people to attempt to improve themselves, a model for a Utopian city.
Social works.
Just because writing is old does not mean it is pure, or from GOD, or without human intent.
Back there was a different time.
Timeless wisdom can no doubt be sifted from the political and social contrivances of the time in which it was written.
However, now is now and now is not back then.
I read over and over how you are not bullshitted by the PTB now and their contrivances.
Why see these old tomes as any different ?
Old
is still .How can the events of the past compare to modern accomplishments ? Look at our modern cities. Was "Atlantis" any better ?
Perhaps some of what we are sold as history is
too. Consider a source Aesop.Was his telling of the story of Atlantis made out of whole cloth ? Could be. Could be from tales of the past. Let us consider those tales. What was the intent of the tales ?
Looks like a yarn to urge people to attempt to improve themselves, a model for a Utopian city.
Social works.
Just because writing is old does not mean it is pure, or from GOD, or without human intent.
Antiwar.com
Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:00 am » by Eliakim
I agree that the metal could be right and that the rest of it as to be tested. Having seen the extensive testing that as been given to the shroud of turin, nothing is impossible today. The scientists proved that the shroud of turin could not possible be the impression of a man because they discovered that the image on the shroud is out of proportion with the proportions of a person.
Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:08 am » by Constabul
toothpaste
razors
how to make ho hos and Twinkies
soap
those little things on the other side of a toothbrush
cat liter
inflatable workout ball
the shake weight
plastic
food coloring
automatic pencils
the computer
for dummies books
the electric guitar
xbox
socks
tissue paper
hats
Slinky
hula hoops
white out
This list could be be vary long.. as to discoveries more important then documents that tell the same story we already knew about... you know the instructions on how to use a plow haven't changed in over 6000 years, A fucking Mazing huh..
razors
how to make ho hos and Twinkies
soap
those little things on the other side of a toothbrush
cat liter
inflatable workout ball
the shake weight
plastic
food coloring
automatic pencils
the computer
for dummies books
the electric guitar
xbox
socks
tissue paper
hats
Slinky
hula hoops
white out
This list could be be vary long.. as to discoveries more important then documents that tell the same story we already knew about... you know the instructions on how to use a plow haven't changed in over 6000 years, A fucking Mazing huh..
Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:17 am » by Eliakim
Just twenty two letters to begin reading and speaking syriac aramaic language.
Syriac language is a variety of Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus in his daily life (Hebrew was the liturgical language, Hebrew and Aramaic are close but different, in the Northern Semitic Family languages, a part of Daniel, in the Bible is written directly in Aramaic language).
See other comments written in response to this video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_alphabet
Syriac language is a variety of Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus in his daily life (Hebrew was the liturgical language, Hebrew and Aramaic are close but different, in the Northern Semitic Family languages, a part of Daniel, in the Bible is written directly in Aramaic language).
See other comments written in response to this video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_alphabet
Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:42 am » by Eliakim
"Now before you read this article, A Christian prophecy clearly states that the start of the "End Times" Will begin with the unveiling of books. Now these are not any books, They are made of diffrent metals and the plates was sealed."
Based on the timeline of 1975 for the beginning of the last days of the end times. That would include the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadhi Library discovered in the 20th century. I have the utmost respect for Geza Vermes as a renowned Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, and I honor the fact that he translated, and put his interpretations of the translation in italics separately because I honor his translations but not all of his interpretations of the mystics texts.
However, to unveil a book means one as to be able to unseal a book that the biblical prophets were told were sealed until the end, not the beginning of the last days of the end times.
Why the end? In mystical Judaism they knew the Acharit would come.
They knew that it takes one to know one, in the same way that Nostradamus did as well. That is why he left a stern warning to astrologers and anyone else that attempted to understand his prophecies, that were encoded for a special purpose that he was fully aware of.
Harbin, to ignore the prophets of the past, is to deny your divine birthright that they dedicated their lives to preserve, for the future of humanity. To ensure that you maintain spiritual freedom to be who you wish to be. Not only for us that live through the end of the last days, but for your children and their children, to be able to live in spiritual freedom without war.
The past, present and future are wrapped up like the most amazing gift from God.
AHAVA
ELIAKIM
Based on the timeline of 1975 for the beginning of the last days of the end times. That would include the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadhi Library discovered in the 20th century. I have the utmost respect for Geza Vermes as a renowned Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, and I honor the fact that he translated, and put his interpretations of the translation in italics separately because I honor his translations but not all of his interpretations of the mystics texts.
However, to unveil a book means one as to be able to unseal a book that the biblical prophets were told were sealed until the end, not the beginning of the last days of the end times.
Why the end? In mystical Judaism they knew the Acharit would come.
They knew that it takes one to know one, in the same way that Nostradamus did as well. That is why he left a stern warning to astrologers and anyone else that attempted to understand his prophecies, that were encoded for a special purpose that he was fully aware of.
Harbin, to ignore the prophets of the past, is to deny your divine birthright that they dedicated their lives to preserve, for the future of humanity. To ensure that you maintain spiritual freedom to be who you wish to be. Not only for us that live through the end of the last days, but for your children and their children, to be able to live in spiritual freedom without war.
The past, present and future are wrapped up like the most amazing gift from God.
AHAVA
ELIAKIM
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