Does a New Life Form Mean God Is Dead?

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 3:03 pm » by -Marduk-


Does a New Life Form Mean God Is Dead?

The discovery of what is apparently an entirely new form of life -- a bacteria based on toxic arsenic rather than phosphorus, one of the six building blocks of all life on Earth -- has set the scientific world abuzz, prompting White House inquiries to NASA and threatening to upend longstanding beliefs about biology.

But some say the announcement also signals an end to religious faith, or at least the beginning of the end, because it implies that life can spring forth unexpectedly on Earth or even on other planets, and in unexpected forms -- developments that seem to run counter to literal readings of biblical creation accounts. "The polite thing to say is that discoveries such as this don't really impeach the credibility of established religion, but in truth of course they really do," David Niose, president of the American Humanist Association (AHA), a leading secularist organization, said of this week's revelations about the microbes discovered in Lake Mono in California. "The fact that life can spring forth in this way from nature, taken in context with what else we've learned in recent centuries about space and time, surely makes it less plausible that the human animal is the specially favored creation of all-powerful, all-knowing divinity," Niose said.

Another shot in the Wars of Science and Religion?

Maybe not.

The arsenic-based microbe discovery "sounds like a nice piece of work; we'll see where it goes from here," Brother Guy Consolmagno, a Jesuit and a planetary scientist at the Vatican Observatory, wrote in an e-mail to Politics Daily. (Yes, the Catholic Church was doing science long before Galileo.) "But," he added, "any scientific discovery that broadens our knowledge of creation, deepens our understanding of the Creator." Consolmagno, who a few weeks ago made news for saying he'd be delighted to find intelligent life on other planets, is typical of religious believers who don't see faith and science as natural enemies.

Even some vocal atheists who see belief and science as inevitable opponents -- with belief the problem, not the solution -- weren't buying the AHA's arguments about the discovery's importance. "I regret to say that the American Humanists got the story wrong," PZ Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota and a famously trenchant critic of religion, told Politics Daily. Myers, who details his arguments at his blog, says the problem is their reading of the science.

"They say 'a new form of life has been discovered that apparently evolved outside the scope of all previously discovered life on Earth,' and this is not correct: the bacteria studied share a common ancestor with us, and the novelty of the discovery was not the organism, but that this entirely earthly organism was capable of incorporating arsenic into its chemistry. So no, their claims of its significant impact on our understanding of the history of life on Earth are overblown." Myers does see a silver lining of sorts (at least from his non-believer's point of view) because the discovery "does represent an incremental increase in our understanding, just as science does every day." "The point should be that the whole of science provides a direct challenge to religious belief, not that any one event is so definitive," Myers said. Brother Guy would disagree with that assertion, but he pointed out that for the AHA and similar groups, "obviously this is no 'proof' since obviously they'd decided years ago, for whatever other reasons, that there was no God."

Faith, it seems, comes in many forms.

Niose of the American Humanist Association did concede that it is "unlikely that this discovery will change the minds of those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible." "To them, the world is about 6,000 years old and evolution is a hoax, and no amount of scientific evidence will change that. For the rest of us, however, this discovery is indeed profound, and it adds to the mountains of evidence that already point to the humanistic lifestance as being our best hope." Maybe the true test of the impact of the discovery will come in a few years time, when we can see whether there are more tourists visiting Lake Mono looking for the arsenic-eating bugs or more pilgrims checking out the full-scale replica of Noah's Ark that a well-known creationist group said this week it will build in northern Kentucky -- at a cost of $150 million, including taxpayer subsidies.

Given the success of the group's Creation Museum, which drew its millionth visitor last spring, it'd be wise not to bet against the Ark.
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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 3:16 pm » by Mihalj


This discovery does not kill of God, but to me proves even more that he exist.
Worlds without number have i created, that means that we are one of many many more.
The Bible phrophesies speak of these things and what will happen in the last days. So far it has been true to form.
But you will not find God on any page of the Bible, you will find him on your knees.
All these things confirm to me that there is a God, and ultimately what will happen, will happen.
Not beleiving is a choise, beleiving is a conviction.
If the Grays landed tomorow excellent, once again confirming my beleif.
The world is full of mysteries beyond our comprehension.
The most important Q are where do we come from, why are we here and what happens after death?
Anayway friends till next time. :hugging:
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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 3:54 pm » by Allreadydead


Does a New Life Form Mean God Is Dead?

The answer is No.

All the time just one human believes in 'God' - 'God' exists (he's alive).
It's called faith.

For example, tommorrow afternoon two great alien ships appear over Washington, it's on all the news channels, the aliens are pretty freakish looking fuckers, but highly intelligent and morally advanced, they clearly mean no harm. But their leader expresses amazment that humans still follow God's - they tell us they can explain exactly how existance started with full evidence and it's nothing to do with supreme beings.

Billions would still believe in 'God' I think - the more vocal believers would state that the aliens were Satan's creatures, sent to test the faithfull, Others, faced with a Godless existance and no 'afterlife' would still believe because they would simply need to - to make sense of their life and existance.

So, "Catch-22", If you know your insane - then your not insane.

Just a thought.

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 7:31 pm » by Dagman11


"Brother Guy would disagree with that assertion, but he pointed out that for the AHA and similar groups, "obviously this is no 'proof' since obviously they'd decided years ago, for whatever other reasons, that there was no God."

Faith, it seems, comes in many forms."

Atheism is not a faith position. It is simply a rejection of theism on the grounds that there is no evidence to support the existence of any god/ gods (which is why on the other hand religious belief is a matter of faith). No atheist can say with certainty that there is definitely no god. However, for someone to claim that they have a direct line to god, and that they know what god wants us to eat on which days, what gender is okay to love romantically, what head coverings he wants us to wear, etc. is an immodest proposal to say the least. There have been thousands if not millions of religions/ gods created by different cultures throughout history, many of which are now dead. Those people felt just as strongly as people do presently that their faith was the correct one. Many present day religions are contradictions of each other, who is right? It seems at this point that the only reasonable answer is that nobody knows the true nature of reality, and to claim otherwise is at the very least presumptuous.

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 7:59 pm » by Roadkill


God was never alive to begin with, so God cannot be dead.
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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 8:02 pm » by gf2010


roadkill wrote:God was never alive to begin with, so God cannot be dead.


I second that.

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 8:28 pm » by Troll2rocks


Not only does it kill god. It kicks (IT) "not him" to the floor, rips out its eyes tongue and neck, bends it over, cuts its sausage off and stabs it into its empty eye socket, kicks the sadistic thing repeatedly in the balls, cuts its arms and legs off, Bruce Lee kicks its head into pieces, sets it on fire, cricket bats it into pulp, burns the pulp, eats the ashes and shits it into Piers Morgan's mouth, who then french kisses a dirty tramps crack.

Then the circle of life is complete.


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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 8:36 pm » by Spock


marduk2012 wrote:Does a New Life Form Mean God Is Dead?

The discovery of what is apparently an entirely new form of life -- a bacteria based on toxic arsenic rather than phosphorus, one of the six building blocks of all life on Earth -- has set the scientific world abuzz, prompting White House inquiries to NASA and threatening to upend longstanding beliefs about biology.



Just proves, again, that science is not, and never has equaled facts, but is merely a process through which we discover the mysteries of God's creation.

Common Sense - 1, Blind Faith in Science as Religion - 0.

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 8:39 pm » by Syntexnl


yes because there is no fucking god.... that you people even discus that here gtfo christenfundies

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PostSun Dec 05, 2010 8:43 pm » by Funnyman46


{God} "I can't prove I exsist because proof denies faith and without faith, I am nothing"
Please do not take anything I say as truth, I am under control of a lizard race hell bent on staying underground and unseen to further my paranoia.


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