Does homosexuality have to be an evolutionary dead end?

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 3:56 am » by Iwanci

There is no such thing as fornication and there certainly is NO king..

Sorry buddy but that's my honest opinion.

How many unwed women have children? Millions... there is no bet to be had here my friend, and there is definately no distinction between a wedded woman and an unwedded woman for the purposes of procreation or simple sex.

To be a true homosexual would mean that you would NOT have sexual intercourse with a woman, failing some form of artificial insemination I would argue that this would be an evolutionary dead end.

No god etc would be able to do anything to interfere, unless they artificially inseminated an egg, in which case this has nothing to do with the homosexual question being posed above.

My opinion, as soon as you put a 'god' in the mix, you immediately rule out logic. Now, put a more highly advanced being in the mix and that opens up a whole new world of possibilities...
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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 1:57 pm » by Phaeton

My opinion, as soon as you put a 'god' in the mix, you immediately rule out logic. Now, put a more highly advanced being in the mix and that opens up a whole new world of possibilities...

You talk of logic.

What being is more highly advanced than..

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 7:52 pm » by Toxic32

Good point. Never thought of that.
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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 8:04 pm » by Poooooot

Iwanci wrote:Homosexuality as in 'same sex intercourse' is by definition an evolutionary dead end, IMO.

However, when a homosexual male decides to use his sperm to impregnate a female egg to produce a baby, this act (whether done directly into the vagina, or in a test tube) falls outside the realm of true homosexuality. My thinking, if the homosexual male has sex with a female simply for the sake of making a baby, then it is not a homosexual act that they performed, the question is voided at this point. If they use the sperm of a homosexual male to impregnate a female egg in a test tube, then this too falls outside homosexuality as there is no sexual act, the question again is voided.

The greater question .. 'what if all men refused to have intercourse with women and also refused to make their sperm available for impregnating females?' .. then YES this would be an evolutionary dead end.

Granted this is not in the mammalian class, but there is a species of lizards called the New Mexico Whiptail, which is also known as the "lesbian lizard." :D It sounds crazy, but it's 100% true.... It's not all that easy to rule "homosexuality as an evolutionary dead end."

The New Mexico whiptail is a species of lizard found in the southern United States in New Mexico and Arizona, and in northern Mexico in Chihuahua. It is the official state reptile of New Mexico. It is one of many lizard species known to be parthenogenic (reproduces asexually). Individuals of the species can be created either through the hybridization of the little striped whiptail and the tiger whiptail , or through the parthenogenic reproduction of an adult New Mexico whiptail.

The hybridization of these species prevents healthy males from forming whereas males do exist in both parent species (see Sexual differentiation). Parthenogenesis allows the resulting all-female population to reproduce and thus evolve into a unique species capable of reproduction. This combination of interspecific hybridization and parthenogenesis exists as a reproductive strategy in several species of whiptail lizard within the Cnemidophorus genus to which the New Mexico whiptail belongs.
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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 8:26 pm » by Fatdogmendoza

Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

Homosexual behaviour is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, according to a new study. The pairing of same sex couples had previously been observed in more than 1,000 species including penguins, dolphins and primates.

However, in the latest study the authors claim the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species.

They found that on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, almost a third of the Laysan albatross population is raised by pairs of two females because of the shortage of males. Through these 'lesbian' unions, Laysan albatross are flourishing. Their existence had been dwindling before the adaptation was noticed.

Other species form same-sex bonds for other reasons, they found. Dolphins have been known engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding while male-male pairings in locusts killed off the weaker males.

A pair of "gay" penguins recently hatched an egg at a German zoo after being given the egg that had been rejected by its biological parents by keepers.
Writing in Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Dr Nathan Bailey, an evolutionary biologist at California University, said previous studies have failed to consider the evolutionary consequences of homosexuality.

He said same homosexual behaviour was often a product of natural selection to further the survival of the species.

Dr Bailey said: "It's clear same-sex sexual behaviour extends far beyond the well-known examples that dominate both the scientific and popular literature – for example, bonobos, dolphins, penguins and fruit flies.

"Same-sex behaviours – courtship, mounting or parenting – are traits that may have been shaped by natural selection, a basic mechanism of evolution that occurs over successive generations," he said.

"But our review of studies also suggests that these same-sex behaviours might act as selective forces in and of themselves."


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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 8:30 pm » by Toxic32

Hello Poooooo. Want to join in..Come and get me boy's I'm full of babies...Well baby lizards that is. :alien51:

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 8:33 pm » by Domeika

It was in this case....

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 9:00 pm » by Lucidlemondrop

Kinninigan wrote::rtft:

this whole thread....






I mean really.............who gives a f##k who f##cks who??? or why, ya wanna know why? cause they can.......

ah oh.....AC/DC song comin......who made who???
What a long strange trip it's been..............

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 10:47 pm » by Chaindrive

Iwanci wrote:There is no such thing as fornication and there certainly is NO king..

You slightly mis-understood me and one would think one would hi-light it and post it on yahoo to see what shows up to see what it meant, its going to be the 4th one down on yahoo.. actually theres a excellent 90 min documentary on this as far as the this word is concerned. Worth seeing.

(fornication under consent of the king) is a Acronym.. in trying to be cute instead of being vulgar and using hash marks.

And I dont know if Fatdogmendoza hit it first but he and anybody else is completely correct.. humans arent special at all.. "WE" are the same as the birds in the air, the fish in the sea (mammal wise) and creatures walk on land.. And dont come to this weird conclusion that we humans saw this and are just mimicking it as is "monkey see, monkey do".. hardly.

But then again this isnt the only "unusual sex practice" documented in the non-human animal kingdom neither. Even Toxic32 posted a picture up above.. it IS what IT is... and theres no second guessing.

To Domeika: that sounds like a Jerry Springer moment

To Poooooot: Yeah, sounds like a hard core one at that.. hate and kill everybody thats NOT them and that we ALL wish that this zionist cult would follow what the Heaven's Gate cult did.. then we would ALL be in a far better society knowing that their GONE.... never to ever come back again, except from hell.

To Phaeton and to anybody else: Again with this "god" thing.? And whos "god" are we talking about.? Somebody say nine cultures; others say nine thousand cultures; others still say nine million cultures, ok... to which "god" are you referring to.?

This was said about this in one of my favorite shows:


If I take a lamp and shine toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall. The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding. Too often we assume the light on the wall is God, but the light is not the goal of the search, it is the result of the search. The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall. The brighter the light on the wall, the greater the revelation upon seeing it. Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing. What we perceive as God is the by-product of our search for God. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, pure and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes, we stand in front of the light and assume we are the center of the universe -- God looks astonishingly like we do! -- or we turn to look at our shadow and assume all is darkness. If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose -- which is use the light of our search to illuminate the wall in all its beauty and all it flaws, and in so doing, better understand the world around us.


As for me.... mere mortal man was NEVER meant to know the "real" god.. for the human mind is so incapable to understand it that they would simply go mad if it was ever relieved the truth to any one of them. And that could of explain as to why a few who are deemed "crazy" and end up in a phyco ward mumbling about "god".. is that it was actually relieved to them and went insane.

To Lucidlemondrop: I absolutely agree, if you get rid of the religious cult (thats all of them regardless) and a quite a few others with their total bias preconceived notions and look at the FAR bigger picture... including everything in the animal kingdom, the hostile negativity wouldnt even be an issue, and that humans just might have a chance to accomplish something more constructive in their society.

But Im afraid THATS never going to happen... ever.

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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 10:57 pm » by Slith

Good post Chaindrive :flop:

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