Does The Universe/God Have Morality?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm » by **Demobe**

?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:10 pm » by **Noentry**

No
That is a human concept

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm » by **Demobe**

noentry wrote:No
That is a human concept

True

But were Do We Get That From and Why? If Its Not in The Nature, Very interesting M8 :flop:

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:18 pm » by **dlslith**

Interesting question. If they do, then yeah, I think we created this morality

Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:31 pm » by **Noentry**

Each interaction with each individual is part of a continual leaning dynamic.
When you interact with another, an illusion is part of this dynamic.
The illusion allows each soul to perceive what it needs to understand
Morality is us becoming or evolving into a higher being,
Conscious evolution through responsible choice

The creation/God is above ethics or morals imho

:cheers:

Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:30 pm » by **Mrmcnuggets**

noentry wrote:No
That is a human concept

agreed. There is too much emotional confrontation with morals, which can be why both sides can be argued from different perspectives evenly.

Stability though, certainly. :flop:

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:45 am » by **Antimalware**

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:57 am » by **Truthdefender**

noentry wrote:No
That is a human concept

If morality is only a human concept, why does every culture ever recorded have laws? Why has murder always been regarded as 'wrong'? This entire universe operates within specific guidelines. We call them the laws of physics--as far as we understand them anyway. What you are say is that if your neighbor found it existentially necessary to rape and kill your mother or sister or wife, he would be within his right to do so because he did not believe in absolute morality. As long as he can deal with the human consequences, what he did is 'technically' not wrong. Just a choice. God help this world if more people begin to think like you.

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:16 am » by **Noentry**

truthdefender wrote:
noentry wrote:No
That is a human concept

If morality is only a human concept, why does every culture ever recorded have laws? Why has murder always been regarded as 'wrong'? This entire universe operates within specific guidelines. We call them the laws of physics--as far as we understand them anyway. What you are say is that if your neighbor found it existentially necessary to rape and kill your mother or sister or wife, he would be within his right to do so because he did not believe in absolute morality. As long as he can deal with the human consequences, what he did is 'technically' not wrong. Just a choice. God help this world if more people begin to think like you.

God never made laws for its self
Laws were made to govern creation
And we are part of that creation.
The morality lies with us.
We get to choose what path we take,
God/creation has given us free will, to do as we please.
Morality is the free will to choose any path
what other part of creation that we know off
has this gift of free will? None
Morality goes hand in hand with free will
God/creation has no need for your morality

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:20 am » by **Marduk2012**

demobe wrote:

GAWDS Bodycount

"I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh."
- Deuteronomy 32:39-42

If we are to take the abrahamic texts and sects seriously (judaism/christianity/islam) then it appears their god-far from being a nice,caring,fluffy,lovey-dovey old man- is in fact the most
vicious,malicious,malevolent,vindictive and deranged serial killer in human history. When God gets mad -- watch out! He'll starve you to death, burn you with fire, and send vicious beasts to devour you. He'll "destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Not even the helpless and innocent are spared by this psychotic God.

God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) Genesis 7:23, BT 30,000,000? 30,000,000

God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. Gen.19:24, BT 1000? 30,001,000

Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 30,001,001

Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT 1 30,001,002

Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 30,001,003

7th Egyptian Plague: Hail Exodus 9:25, BT 30,000? 30,031,003

God kills every Egyptian firstborn child. Ex.12:29-30, BT 500,000? 30,531,003

God drowns Egyptian army Ex.14:28, BT 1000? 30,532,003

God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites Ex.17:13, BT 1000? 30,533,003

For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003

Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 30,536,005

A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 30,536,006

God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100? 30,536,106

God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. Num.11:33, BT 10,000? 30,546,106

God killed those who murmured with a plague. Num.14:35-36, BT 100? 30,546,206

A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 30,546,207

Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 30,546,219

Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 30,546,469

For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 30,561,169

Massacre of the Aradites Num.21:1-3, BT 3000? 30,564,169

For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died. Num.21:6, BT 100? 30,564,269

God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive." Num.21:34-35, BT 1000? 30,565,269

For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 30,589,269

Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 30,679,269

The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim Deuteronomy 2:21-22 5000? 30,684,269

God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000? 30,687,269

God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000? 30,747,269

Massacre of Jericho Joshua 6:21, BT 1000? 30,748,269

God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 30,748,274

God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 30,760,274

God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Joshua 10:10-11, BT 1000? 30,761,274

Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 30,761,279

Massacre of 7 cities Joshua 10:28-42, BT 7000? 30,768,279

God delivers the Hazorites. Joshua 11:8-12, BT 1000? 30,769,279

Massacre of the Anakim Joshua 11:20-21, BT 1000? 30,770,279

God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 30,780,279

Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 30,780,280

God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 30,790,280

Massacre of the Canaanites Jg.4:15, BT 1000? 30,791,280

God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 30,911,280

God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter. Jg.11:32-33, BT 1000? 30,912,280

The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 30,912,310

The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 30,913,310

Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 30,916,310

"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 30,941,410

More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 30,966,410

For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070 31,016,480

God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12, BT 20 31,016,500

God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other. 1 Sam.14:20, BT 1000? 31,017,500

God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child. 1 Sam.15:2-3, BT 1000? 31,018,500

Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33, BT 1 31,018,501

God delivers the Philistines. 1 Sam.23:2-5 1000? 31,019,501

"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 31,019,502

God delivers the Philistines to David (again). 2 Sam.5:19, 25 1000? 31,020,502

Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 31,020,503

David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Samuel 12:14-18 1 31,020,504

God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. 2 Sam.21:1 5000? 31,025,504

Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 31,025,511

From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 31,095,511

A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 31,095,512

Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." 1 Kings 15:29 1000? 31,096,512

Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." 1 Kg.16:11-12 1000? 31,097,512

Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 31,097,962

God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 31,197,962

God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 31,224,962

God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 31,224,963

Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 31,224,964

Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 31,225,066

God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 31,225,108

Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 31,225,109

God calls for a seven year famine. 2 Kg.8:1 10,000? 31,235,109
Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 31,235,110

Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord" 2 Kg.10:16-17 100? 31,235,210

God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 31,235,213

Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 31,420,213

Saul 1 Chronicles 10:14 1 31,420,214

God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chronicles 13:15-17 500,000 31,920,214

Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 31,920,215

"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 32,920,215

God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,920,216

Judean soldiers because they had forsaken the Lord 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 33,040,216

God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. 2 Chr.36:16-17 1000? 33,041,216

Ezekiel's wife Ezekiel 24:15-18 1 33,041,217

Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 33,041,219

Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 33,041,220

Deuteronomy 32

32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

32:23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

32:24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.

32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men

32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

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