Duncan Lunan and the 1927 'WOW' signal.

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PostSat Feb 27, 2010 3:04 am » by Iamcare

After watching the awesome 70's UFO documentary uploaded by pindz earlier, I got a little interested in the 1927 signal from space thing and decided to do a little research into it.
(I fuckn love those old documentaries, they're not scared to be wrong and pull no punches!)
Some good stuff here http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~sverre/LDE/
Also SETI in 1999 brooched the subject http://www.setileague.org/editor/lde.htm

It has been difficult finding anything, other than the books written by Duncan Lunnan, that say more than a paragraph or two about the discovery, so please add what you can.
The theory was presented by Duncan Lunnan in the video and so lets look at him first.

In 1973, while writing for Spaceflight - the in-house publication of the BIS - Duncan Lunan rose to international fame for his claims of having intercepted and interpreted an undeciphered message caught in the late 1920s by two geophysicists[10]. This message, according to Lunan, comes directly from a probe orbitating around the Moon and sent there by the inhabitants of a planet orbiting around Epsilon Boötis[11]. Such story got a wide echo and reached such a relevant publication as Time Magazine[12].

the signals received by the two Dutch ham radio operators in 1927 had seemed like “pings” or “echoes” of radio signals in the L4 and L5 points of the Moon’s orbit.

His evidence was based on his own personal interpretation of Long Delay Echoes (LDE's) opf shortwave radio signals orbiting the earth that had been discovered in th early 1920's. Lunan beleived he had found a way to interpret the signals so that they could be plotted on a map, at which point they showed something that looked remarkably like a star map from the Constellation Epsilon Bootis.

... If the data points are plotted with delay time on the y-axis (normal scientific practice, followed by all the 1920s experimenter' s who presented their results graphically), nothing significant appears. With delay time on the x-axis, however, the graph looks more like an intelligent signal. There is a vertical "barrier" at 8 seconds dividing the diagram into two parts of an equal area; on the left there is a single dot, at three seconds, which was unique in being an exact repeat of the transmitted signal, three dots, the other echoes being 2 second long dashes.
On the right of the barrier the main figure has a striking but incomplete resemblance to the constellation Bootes, the Herdsman. If the 3 second dot is transplanted across the barrier to a corresponding position on the right, it occupies the position of the star Epsilon Bootis and so completes the constellation figure. ...

Duncan withdrew his claim in "Analog Science Fiction and Fact, v118 #3", March 1998; "Epsilon Boötis Revisited" by Duncan Lunan. He provided what he now beleived was evidence to the contrary and put his arguement to rest...... or did he? Interestingly Lunan was the Manager of the Glasgow Parks Dept. Astronomy Project, which built the first astronomically aligned stone circle in Britain for 5000 years in Sighthill Park. Masonic conspiracy theorists do as you will with that information.
In my opinion, Lunan certainly fits the bill as a man who had risen through the ranks to fill various "Royal academy of this" and "National Centre for That" positions, so had he been told/advised/warned to drop the idea, logic dictates this would have been what he did, Although truthfully I have found nothing suggesting that this was the case. (a little for you secret space program fellows there. :peep: )

The fact remains however that he was not the only only one to forward this conclusion. Tesla also beleived that whilst studying the radio feedback emminating from space and from the earth that he too had found a unique signal.

"The patterns of these radio signals were not "traceable to any known cause," meaning Tesla could not find any other phenomenon that sent out such signals. "Such a clear suggestion of number and order" gave him reason to believe that he may have stumbled upon a message sent to Earth by an intelligent civilization existing elsewhere in the universe

It is true that LDE's have long been a source of confusion. For instance, the QE2, englands most luxury liner, had an incident in 1978 where radio officer Alan Holmes received a radio signal in morse code. When decoded he was astonished to discover it was a routine position check from the old liner the Queen Mary.
Astonishing, because it had long since ceased to rule the waves, and for 11 years had been a floating conference centre in Long Beach California.
Holmes posited that the signal must have bounced off into space and then somehow found its way back to them years later.

however, Lunan's discovery, even without the backing of it's original discoverer did have the backing of Professor RN Bracewell of the Radio Astronomic Institute of Stanford University. Von Daniken had used his research in COTG where Bracewell had theorised that "if an alien intelligence had wanted to get in touch with us it might possibly do so by the delayed return of radio signals!"
Bracewell was reportedly overjoyed and Lunan's discovery and is on record as saying "The maps produced.... can be adduced as a possibility of communication with another intelligence!" Bracewell also went on to add that such a digitally conveyed star map would be the highest probability of information one could expect to receive from another intelligence, as the stars were indeed the one thing we'd all have in common.

I have come accross people suggesting that the 1977 WOW signal was this same signal seen in the 70's, the WOW still remains unexplained to this day, despite doubters labelling it everything from interference from a nearby microwave to human error, as of yet it remains the best evidence of intelligence managing, purposefully or inadvertantly, to send messages across the great darkness of space. and of course as we all know the Drake equation (Nc = N* × fp × ne × fl × fi × fc × L = life in space so deal with it) shoots down the validity of anyone trying to argue that out of billions of billions of stars, only one ever seeded life.
It could be suggested that this also maybe ties in to the infamous black knight probe. One forum person made this comment which summed up the STS possible sighting of the black knight

An interesting snippet from a UN document on Space debris. Page 40.
http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/libra ... bris99.pdf

"(a) On orbit
115. The United States Space Surveillance Network (SSN) and the Russian
Space Surveillance System (SSS) monitor the LEO environment to warn crewed
spacecraft if an object is projected to come within a few kilometres. For example,
if an object is predicted to pass through a box measuring 5 km x 25 km x 5 km
oriented along the flight path of the United States Space Shuttle, the SSN sensor
network intensifies its tracking of the potential risk object. If the improved fly-by
prediction indicates a conjunction within a box measuring 2 km x 5 km x 2 km,
an avoidance manoeuvre may be performed. During the period 1986-1997, the
United States Space Shuttle executed four such evasive manoeuvres. The Russian
SSS and the Russian Space Agency perform similar collision avoidance assessments
for the Mir space station"

So the question is whether the debris is far enough away not to be considered a threat, which then implies that the object is quite large. Or the debris is small and quite near which you would think would be a threat and would have been examined as part of the mission parameters.

Or did the object appear and had not been previously tracked as space debris?



Obviously any link to the black knight is just conjuecture but the co-incidences and anectdotal evidence are strong enough to warrant further investigation.

So there you go, Duncan Lunan put the idea forward and then backed out on it, leaving other scholars confused as to his motivations and presumably unwilling to investigate further without the original discoverers support for the thesis. However it was backed up by at least one noteworthy institution and certainly sparked the interests of scientists such as Sagan and Tesla who both posited the idea.

Hope this gives you guys a starting point.
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PostSat Feb 27, 2010 3:38 am » by Lucidlemondrop

Good informative post.

Don't take this wrong, but it is so hard for me to read this without

"Duncan Luncan" going over and over in my head.....

What a name.....Duncan Luncan......LOL
What a long strange trip it's been..............

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PostSun Feb 28, 2010 11:27 am » by Elnorel

Think this falls into the category of those "just too good to be true".
SKEPTIC - One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.
And tries to prove these assertions/claims with scientific facts.


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