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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 2:37 pm » by Badger


That says it all Teloc, :(

So glad I don't watch TV...
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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 3:16 pm » by Ridee


well i was really sick watching this , living in france , having a wife that isisted so hard
for me to watch stuff like that .

notice at the end something good came out , surprisingly .

first of all today as i took my coffee at the little village i live in , people was talking about this everywhere .This is the best way i have found in order to take the pulse of everyday life here in France , i just go in the middle , listen people talking , and asking silly questions related . And it works ^^

the show was very well promoted in the media , it was at a access to all channel and a Wednesday after noon / night every living French is in front of the TV because kids don't go to school at Wednesdays after noons so most French people don't work that day , so the audimat was of the charts.

second at the end the program was telling people that TELEVISION is conditioning people to be sheep , very shocking when it comes from a TV show isn't it ? + work is killing people + governments don't do shit to change all that + images from former shocking Nazi camps and the Chinese revolution man standing in front of the tank .

third they gave the analysis for how many hours people work , watch TV , and sleep in their hole lives . Chokingly ( and remember this is France , in the USA the numbers can be easily tripled ) in your life you spend most of your time sleeping , then watching TV and then working , everything else comes after that 3 pole positions .

and for the end sometimes shocking images like this one ( the candidate was an actor and he was never in the box taking the shoots btw ) really make people realize what they have become .

So at the end it was a good message after all :sunny:

Now coming from you it can only be a doom & gloom scenario , i know what you are trying to do , so please next time , try harder , it is getting so obvious people will stop looking at your posts and you will have to change your avatar name and all of that + maybe you will get fired ho knows :owned:
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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 3:58 pm » by Albusal


i read this article this morning and to be honest i was gutted that people made no attempt to try and stop this, human beings are fucking sick :bang;

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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 4:20 pm » by Kingz


I already posted this several days ago... but no attention was payed to the article.....
so here I go again:

Contestants turn torturers in French TV experiment
by Roland Lloyd Parry Roland Lloyd Parry – Tue Mar 16, 8:00 am ET

PARIS (AFP) – Game show contestants turn torturers in a new psychological experiment for French television, zapping a man with electricity until he cries for mercy -- then zapping him again until he seems to drop dead.

"The Game of Death" has all the trappings of a traditional television quiz show, with a roaring crowd and a glamorous and well-known hostess urging the players on under gaudy studio lights.

But the contestants did not know they were taking part in an experiment to find out whether television could push them to outrageous lengths, and which has prompted comparisons with the atrocities of Nazi Germany.

"We were amazed to find that 81 percent of the participants obeyed" the sadistic orders of the television presenter, said Christophe Nick, the maker of the documentary for the state-owned France 2 channel which airs Wednesday.

"They are not equipped to disobey," he added. "They don't want to do it, they try to convince the authority figure that they should stop, but they don't manage to," he told AFP.

Nick and a team of psychologists recruited 80 volunteers, telling them they were taking part in a pilot for a new television show.

The game: posing questions to another "player" and punishing him with up to 460 volts of electricity when he gets them wrong -- even until his cries of "Let me go!" fall silent and he appears to have died.

Not knowing that the screaming victim is really an actor, the apparently reluctant contestants yield to the orders of the presenter and chants of "Punishment!" from a studio audience who also believed the game was real.

Nick said 80 percent of the contestants went all the way, zapping the victim with the maximum 460 volts until he appeared to die. Out of 80 players, just 16 walked out.

One contestant interviewed afterwards said she went along with the torture despite knowing that her own grandparents were Jews who had been persecuted by the Nazis.

"Since I was a little girl, I have always asked myself why they (the Nazis) did it. How could they obey such orders? And there I was, obeying them myself," said Sophie, quoted in a book by the film makers.

"I was worried about the contestant," said another contestant. "At the same time, I was afraid to spoil the programme."

The experiment was modelled on an infamous study at Yale University in the 1960s, which used similar methods to examine how obedient citizens could come to take part in mass murder.

Some observers were sceptical of the manipulative way the participants were handled.

Jacques Semelin, a psychologist and historian who studies genocide and totalitarianism, pointed out that the participants were made to sign a contract obliging them to obey the presenter's instructions.

"There are elements of manipulation from the start," said Jacques Semelin, a psychologist and historian who studies genocide and totalitarianism.

"They are obedient, but it's more than mere obedience -- there is the audience, the cameras everywhere."

But for the film makers, the manipulative power of television was exactly the point.

"The questioners are ... in the grip of the authority of television," said Jean-Leon Beauvois, a psychologist who took part in the documentary.

"When it decides to abuse its power, television can do anything to anybody," said Nick. "It has an absolutely terrifying power."
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The Milgram's experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: "Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?" In other words, "Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?" Milgram's testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment


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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 4:29 pm » by Boondox681


all for cash and prizes.....where's nibiru when you really need it?
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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 4:33 pm » by TheDuck


I've heard of this before, I think the tv show stole the idea from the Milgram experiment...

Milgram's Electric Shock Experiments

Milgram's famous electric shock studies showed the negative sides of obedience to authority (Milgram 1974). Subjects administered increasingly higher levels of shocks to a confederate as the experimenter repeated their demands that the experiment must continue and they would take responsibility (actually no shocks were actually done). Milgram found that people were willing inflict serious pain on another person when ordered to so do. Sixty percent of subjects (across various social strata and education levels) administered the highest pain levels. The experiement showed the power of the situation to affect behavior -- people focused on the requirements of their position rather than the consequences of their behavior (Scott p. 328).

However, these situational impacts can be dramatically modified with simple changes to the authority-subordinate situation. Organizational changes like flatter hierarchies, participative decision making, multiple channels can encourage independence and reduce blind obedience to authority. "If we are concerned about the extent to which individuals are overly compliant, we need to change the structures within which they are embedded and the cultural definitions that constrain their self-conceptions"

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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 4:42 pm » by Kingz


theduck wrote:I've heard of this before, I think the tv show stole the idea from the Milgram experiment...

Milgram's Electric Shock Experiments

Milgram's famous electric shock studies showed the negative sides of obedience to authority (Milgram 1974). Subjects administered increasingly higher levels of shocks to a confederate as the experimenter repeated their demands that the experiment must continue and they would take responsibility (actually no shocks were actually done). Milgram found that people were willing inflict serious pain on another person when ordered to so do. Sixty percent of subjects (across various social strata and education levels) administered the highest pain levels. The experiement showed the power of the situation to affect behavior -- people focused on the requirements of their position rather than the consequences of their behavior (Scott p. 328).

However, these situational impacts can be dramatically modified with simple changes to the authority-subordinate situation. Organizational changes like flatter hierarchies, participative decision making, multiple channels can encourage independence and reduce blind obedience to authority. "If we are concerned about the extent to which individuals are overly compliant, we need to change the structures within which they are embedded and the cultural definitions that constrain their self-conceptions"

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The Milgram's experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: "Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?" In other words, "Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?" Milgram's testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment


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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 5:08 pm » by Boondox681


I've heard of this before, I think the tv show stole the idea from the Milgram experiment.


EVERY t.v. show or movie is ripped-off.there hasen't been a fresh idea in either venue in decades.it's simple..if it ain't broke,don't fix it.
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PostThu Mar 18, 2010 5:15 pm » by TheDuck


boondox681 wrote:
I've heard of this before, I think the tv show stole the idea from the Milgram experiment.


EVERY t.v. show or movie is ripped-off.there hasen't been a fresh idea in either venue in decades.it's simple..if it ain't broke,don't fix it.


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