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PostFri Jul 16, 2010 11:33 am » by Theduck


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Going further now my friend>>>

<<<<WhoEver created One is NOTHING but itself.......


(this was even written before your spoon/no spoon gig..
just couldnt post it bc of a wife buying shoes...so there)

This aspect is addressed in quantum physics in which particles exist, and dont exist. Or as they take their orbit, come and go into being.

That is the one..Existing, Then Not Existing. This tension keeps the machine in motion forever, since it is perfectly balanced, and there is no duality or possibility for imbalance in "i am" vs "i am not"..as it mirrors the quantum law exactly.

Blinking in and out of our perceptive realm...and since our realm is dependent on light striking those blinking in and out particles, and the speed at which they resonate, it stands to reason that if our ENTIRE existence, blinks in and out of existence at billions of cycles a second at the quantum level... every day all day long...then it stands to reason that the GRAND cycle would contain a simple ONE, that is either ON or OFF.

The remaining numbers then fall into line in a hierarchy of significance, which all pale in comparison to the action enacted between one and itself, and one and two and three.


Therefore we are but holoagrams in the matrix.

Gotta get the highlander quote in here aswell.

"There can be only one" :D

Its 'crazy sh*t' but I'm 99.99999% sure its true. Have been for a few years, runnin' around shouting were all stuck in the Matrix or we are the Matrix would get some weiry looks though. Fun to say to people once in a while though :P
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PostFri Jul 16, 2010 12:07 pm » by Cee420


anuki wrote:Its just MY perception of the truth :wink:



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Physicists discover that the structure of a brain cell is the same as the entire universe.
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Everything is just the same ..except every snowflake is different to one another, every seed of a plant has it’s unique composition, as do every human.

This “fractal hologram”-theory is just overly simplified New Age jargon.
Just because the construction of an atom resembles a solar system or a galaxy, doesn’t mean it is a “hologram”.

On the first vid the guy says: “If you’d look your hand through a microscope you’d see mass of energy vibrating” ..No you’d see tiny bits of matter which ‘keep together and separate’ by electro magnetic radiation.
It I actually abit deceiving to call everything energy, when In fact the cosmos is composed of A) matter and B) Electromagnetic radiaton.
Just because Einstein’s theory states that matter is energy, it still is NOT the same thing as electricity/ the radiation between the particles that form all matter, atoms and their building blocks.

Our science still hasn’t found every particle in the cosmos, so how could they state that “matter is an illusion”!!
..so as they say on the first video that atoms are empty, it also could be that: “To us, atoms appear to be empty, cause we still don’t have the ability to see everything in the cosmos”. ..atoms could actually be filled with “dark matter”, which we don’t have the ability to see yet.
Imo, it is wrong to say that “matter is an illusion”, when it is only our perception about it, that is wrong. When we have false believes about the construction of (solid) matter, it does not mean that matter would be an illusion.



-“God is energy”. This is old New Age spiritual concept, and how the Buddhist etc. explain the Creation: “nobody created the universe. It has always existed” ..cause the “Creative Principle” is only energy.
To HP Blavatsky and these people the “Absolute Creator” was only a “principle”, not an entity, so to them and with this theory, a God to humans is the entity who rules this planet ..this is saying cause there is no Creator of the All around to be seen, we should start worshipping the “Lord of The World”..this would be a false god ..so the Devil.
But I don’t believe the Theosophist even understood themselves that they are saying to people “worship the false god”. :yell:



- “Our true consciousness does not exist in our brains and in our bodies” WRONG, it does.
Consciousness is the ability to perceive. Our total consciousness is the sum total of the things we have experienced.
- “It’s an illusion that we think independently”- It’s NOT an illusion. We do think independently.

Just because this guy on the (first)video cannot explain how telepathy works, it does not mean our consciousness would not be “dressed with this body”, or that we “would not think independently” ..it could actually be that our mind(soul) will ALLWAYS be dressed in a body of some sort. ..he doesn’t know that, just like I don’t, but this guy has chosen to state his own believes as FACT ..but they are only his believes.
As I said in the start of the post; every person is unique even dna wise, as is every seed that comes from one plant ..the seeds are all unique, non of them are the same as the next one ..so, why wouldn’t we think and be unique individuals?! ..we are. :flop:



-“When you understand that we are part of One Divine intelligence and there is common spiritual bond between all things in the universe you can explain everything”
..NO again!!

“..it explains reincarnation” ..Bullshit. Reincarnation is only a BELIEF in eastern cosmology system, not a fact

..it’s very common in New Age-jargon to first explain “what the absolute is”, which usually is explained in a complex and paradoxical way ”we are all part of the Divine mind” ..(what the hell is that in function? ..this isnever explained in a simple way in these philosophies.)
..and then explain every phenomena from that “theory of the Absolute”

When you are dealing with “relative” things, which the “absolute” always is, cause it is on beyond scientifically provable things, it is very easy to make things and concepts up, cause nobody can prove you wrong! ..this is why many esoteric spirituality speaks about things in “relativistic” ways ..so they couldn’t be proven wrong that easily :bang;




-On the third and last video: Measurement problem ..“atom is only there if you measure it” “atom is spread all over the place un till it is looked at” ..what a load of bull! It was still on it’s unique spot in the Universe, without anybody measuring it or not. But because everything in the Universe I in constant motion, every particle is always in a new point in the universe ..but there just is no ‘problem’.

I just bet that every particle in this cosmos is right where they are with or with our me measuring them. If the ‘measuring equipment” causes a change in the process then that is another deal..

And this is what they say in Wikipedia on this “Measurement problem”-theory:
“..meaning that the measurement "did something" to the process under examination. Whatever that "something" may be does not appear to be explained by the basic theory.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem “..what ever that something maybe is not explained in the basic theory” …see, this is just bullshit science. figment of someones imagination that some how then becomes “valid science”, but it never is explained HOW.

And then if you’d take another measurement of how your first measurement changed it, you can’t, cause this second measurement also caused this “change” ..and so it will never be known what actually took place. Only the assumption is good enough. ..see what “relativist” horse shit these New Age science concepts are?! :bang;

..sorry, I don’t mean to offend anyone by this ranting, but this stuff isn’t very good. Why people, most likely think it’s good, is cause these concepts aren’t that easy to get, if you haven’t actually spent time reading this stuff ..so it appears to be good to many.
They even state on the third video that most of this is just philosophical jargon ..”until it goes into quantum mechanics”, which is, again, mostly just philosophical science ..LOL

..and all this jargon they get out of computer models, which actually calculate things with, and only with, the data people put into them …amazing!! LOL! :mrgreen:


I really hope I didn’t offend you anuki, cause I know people’s believes on cosmology is a sensitive and personal thing ..but I don’t value these “theorists” that much, cause many times, they FIRST make up their theory, and only after that, they try to fit it into reality ..just like religions do.

I personally rather study reality, and don’t build that many theories ..live and see.
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PostSat Jul 17, 2010 1:46 am » by Anuki


cee420 wrote:
anuki wrote:Its just MY perception of the truth :wink:



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Physicists discover that the structure of a brain cell is the same as the entire universe.
Image

Atom Universe.
Image




Pantheism:
is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical,

___________________________________________________________________________________

Anu-Ki


Everything is just the same ..except every snowflake is different to one another, every seed of a plant has it’s unique composition, as do every human.

This “fractal hologram”-theory is just overly simplified New Age jargon.
Just because the construction of an atom resembles a solar system or a galaxy, doesn’t mean it is a “hologram”.

On the first vid the guy says: “If you’d look your hand through a microscope you’d see mass of energy vibrating” ..No you’d see tiny bits of matter which ‘keep together and separate’ by electro magnetic radiation.
It I actually abit deceiving to call everything energy, when In fact the cosmos is composed of A) matter and B) Electromagnetic radiaton.
Just because Einstein’s theory states that matter is energy, it still is NOT the same thing as electricity/ the radiation between the particles that form all matter, atoms and their building blocks.

Our science still hasn’t found every particle in the cosmos, so how could they state that “matter is an illusion”!!
..so as they say on the first video that atoms are empty, it also could be that: “To us, atoms appear to be empty, cause we still don’t have the ability to see everything in the cosmos”. ..atoms could actually be filled with “dark matter”, which we don’t have the ability to see yet.
Imo, it is wrong to say that “matter is an illusion”, when it is only our perception about it, that is wrong. When we have false believes about the construction of (solid) matter, it does not mean that matter would be an illusion.



-“God is energy”. This is old New Age spiritual concept, and how the Buddhist etc. explain the Creation: “nobody created the universe. It has always existed” ..cause the “Creative Principle” is only energy.
To HP Blavatsky and these people the “Absolute Creator” was only a “principle”, not an entity, so to them and with this theory, a God to humans is the entity who rules this planet ..this is saying cause there is no Creator of the All around to be seen, we should start worshipping the “Lord of The World”..this would be a false god ..so the Devil.
But I don’t believe the Theosophist even understood themselves that they are saying to people “worship the false god”. :yell:



- “Our true consciousness does not exist in our brains and in our bodies” WRONG, it does.
Consciousness is the ability to perceive. Our total consciousness is the sum total of the things we have experienced.
- “It’s an illusion that we think independently”- It’s NOT an illusion. We do think independently.

Just because this guy on the (first)video cannot explain how telepathy works, it does not mean our consciousness would not be “dressed with this body”, or that we “would not think independently” ..it could actually be that our mind(soul) will ALLWAYS be dressed in a body of some sort. ..he doesn’t know that, just like I don’t, but this guy has chosen to state his own believes as FACT ..but they are only his believes.
As I said in the start of the post; every person is unique even dna wise, as is every seed that comes from one plant ..the seeds are all unique, non of them are the same as the next one ..so, why wouldn’t we think and be unique individuals?! ..we are. :flop:



-“When you understand that we are part of One Divine intelligence and there is common spiritual bond between all things in the universe you can explain everything”
..NO again!!

“..it explains reincarnation” ..Bullshit. Reincarnation is only a BELIEF in eastern cosmology system, not a fact

..it’s very common in New Age-jargon to first explain “what the absolute is”, which usually is explained in a complex and paradoxical way ”we are all part of the Divine mind” ..(what the hell is that in function? ..this isnever explained in a simple way in these philosophies.)
..and then explain every phenomena from that “theory of the Absolute”

When you are dealing with “relative” things, which the “absolute” always is, cause it is on beyond scientifically provable things, it is very easy to make things and concepts up, cause nobody can prove you wrong! ..this is why many esoteric spirituality speaks about things in “relativistic” ways ..so they couldn’t be proven wrong that easily :bang;




-On the third and last video: Measurement problem ..“atom is only there if you measure it” “atom is spread all over the place un till it is looked at” ..what a load of bull! It was still on it’s unique spot in the Universe, without anybody measuring it or not. But because everything in the Universe I in constant motion, every particle is always in a new point in the universe ..but there just is no ‘problem’.

I just bet that every particle in this cosmos is right where they are with or with our me measuring them. If the ‘measuring equipment” causes a change in the process then that is another deal..

And this is what they say in Wikipedia on this “Measurement problem”-theory:
“..meaning that the measurement "did something" to the process under examination. Whatever that "something" may be does not appear to be explained by the basic theory.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem “..what ever that something maybe is not explained in the basic theory” …see, this is just bullshit science. figment of someones imagination that some how then becomes “valid science”, but it never is explained HOW.

And then if you’d take another measurement of how your first measurement changed it, you can’t, cause this second measurement also caused this “change” ..and so it will never be known what actually took place. Only the assumption is good enough. ..see what “relativist” horse shit these New Age science concepts are?! :bang;

..sorry, I don’t mean to offend anyone by this ranting, but this stuff isn’t very good. Why people, most likely think it’s good, is cause these concepts aren’t that easy to get, if you haven’t actually spent time reading this stuff ..so it appears to be good to many.
They even state on the third video that most of this is just philosophical jargon ..”until it goes into quantum mechanics”, which is, again, mostly just philosophical science ..LOL

..and all this jargon they get out of computer models, which actually calculate things with, and only with, the data people put into them …amazing!! LOL! :mrgreen:


I really hope I didn’t offend you anuki, cause I know people’s believes on cosmology is a sensitive and personal thing ..but I don’t value these “theorists” that much, cause many times, they FIRST make up their theory, and only after that, they try to fit it into reality ..just like religions do.

I personally rather study reality, and don’t build that many theories ..live and see.
Peace.
:flop:


I dont say this is thé truth but it comes close to how í think of all what is..
and; everyone has his own believe/truth, what ís the truth..i know my truth
can be absolute nonsense, like your's or anothers... :wink:

I really hope I didn’t offend you anuki

Nooo, glad you gave an opinion: with an explanation,
that i respect. :flop:

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hope not...
sure hope you all on DTV are real and not a dream ...

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PostSat Jul 17, 2010 2:20 am » by Lowsix


Cee, yeah i agree with Anuki...
thoughtful answer.
Loved it. makes mah nipples hard.
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PostSat Jul 17, 2010 4:49 am » by Mediasorcerer


what constitutes a false god?if some choose to see god as an undefinable principle,unknowable,thats there choice,re-incarnation might just be a theory,but so is god???
the moment i hear someone refering to god as something that has a thought,is an entity of some description,or is some kinda internventionist being,i smell misconception,how niaeve to think that whatever did create the universe,in all its magnitude,would be on the lowly level of a thought being?baah,god is in us.but we are not god,we are in god ,but god is not us,
anuki,you dont make sense,they explain in a relativistic way because they dont "presume" to know whats the mind of god,or even exactly what it is,how arrogant to put yourself on a par with the divine!!!!!to think we can explain it???i cant even be bothered anymore,casting pearls at swine[an hermetic axiom btw]the lips of wisdom are sealed,except to the ears of understanding,
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PostSat Jul 17, 2010 7:49 am » by Anuki


mediasorcerer wrote:what constitutes a false god?if some choose to see god as an undefinable principle,unknowable,thats there choice,re-incarnation might just be a theory,but so is god???
the moment i hear someone refering to god as something that has a thought,is an entity of some description,or is some kinda internventionist being,i smell misconception,how niaeve to think that whatever did create the universe,in all its magnitude,would be on the lowly level of a thought being?baah,god is in us.but we are not god,we are in god ,but god is not us,
anuki,you dont make sense,they explain in a relativistic way because they dont "presume" to know whats the mind of god,or even exactly what it is,how arrogant to put yourself on a par with the divine!!!!!to think we can explain it???i cant even be bothered anymore,casting pearls at swine[an hermetic axiom btw]the lips of wisdom are sealed,except to the ears of understanding,



my believe is, god aint an entity; its all there is incl. us.
Anyway, Its an opinion its my way try to comprehend
calling me arrogant; meaning your not?

Whatever, go get angry somewhere else pls.

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PostSat Jul 17, 2010 9:53 am » by Mediasorcerer


anuki wrote:
mediasorcerer wrote:what constitutes a false god?if some choose to see god as an undefinable principle,unknowable,thats there choice,re-incarnation might just be a theory,but so is god???
the moment i hear someone refering to god as something that has a thought,is an entity of some description,or is some kinda internventionist being,i smell misconception,how niaeve to think that whatever did create the universe,in all its magnitude,would be on the lowly level of a thought being?baah,god is in us.but we are not god,we are in god ,but god is not us,
anuki,you dont make sense,they explain in a relativistic way because they dont "presume" to know whats the mind of god,or even exactly what it is,how arrogant to put yourself on a par with the divine!!!!!to think we can explain it???i cant even be bothered anymore,casting pearls at swine[an hermetic axiom btw]the lips of wisdom are sealed,except to the ears of understanding,



stop making me angry please-!!lol,
you posted it here,im responding,not with anger,just thoughts,dont get offended cos i dont agree,its important to disect all,and take what you want,that makes sense to you,im just giving an alternative view,im sorry if it makes you angry,take a deep breath!!!!!!



my believe is, god aint an entity; its all there is incl. us.
Anyway, Its an opinion its my way try to comprehend
calling me arrogant; meaning your not?

Whatever, go get angry somewhere else pls.
with the power of soul,anything is possible
with the power of you,anything that you wanna do

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