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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 1:20 pm » by Evildweeb


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....Anyone catch the NAME of the chemical? ....

WVa Chemical Spill: No Water in 9 Counties


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Published on Jan 10, 2014

At least 100,000 homes and businesses around West Virginia's capital have been told not to use the water, after a chemical spill in the Elk River. Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin has declared a state of emergency. (Jan. 10)


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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 1:44 pm » by Flipper


According to the storage tank label it is glycerine. They never said verbally, but the smell sure does point to it as the problem.
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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:05 pm » by Evildweeb


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I thought about the "glycerine" thingy too, but I think that is a diversion.

At about 10-12 seconds in they clearly show a tank labelled MCHM.

Here is a clip from a NY Times story on the spill......

"The spill happened at a storage facility about a mile north of a water treatment plant on the Elk River, where a 48,000-gallon tank began leaking 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, or MCHM, a compound used to wash coal of impurities, the State Department of Environmental Protection said."


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/us/ch ... .html?_r=0



4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol


Just TRY looking THAT one up.

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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:25 pm » by Evildweeb


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.....This just gets better by the minute.....

Elk River Chemcial Spill

By: Tony Cavalier
Updated: Thu 10:18 PM, Jan 09, 2014

A Thursday chemical spill into the Elk River forced Governor Earl Ray Tomblin to declare a local emergency for several Central WV counties. Tony spoke with a chemistry professor to understand the health risks.

Chemical Spill Spurs Action

Thursday morning a chemical leak into the Elk River occurred from the Freedom Industries in Charleston.

The leaked product is 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, which is used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation.

Since the West Virginia American Water Treatment plant is just downstream from the spill, this "contaminated" water flowed into the Charleston water plant.

From there the "octupus-like" pipelines of WV American feed water to 9 counties in Southern and Central WV. That means even for areas that are not on the Elk or Great Kanawha Rivers can be affected by the "dirty water".

Like all leaks/spills in our region, the risk of health related problems is top of mind.

I spoke with Dr. Michael Castellani, Chair of Marshall’s Chemistry Department. Here are the bullet points I took away.

The 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol Leak will be colorless, with faint odor.

It will be a skin irritant if bathed with.

It will be a respiratory irritant.

Drinking it would be like drinking a glass of water with gasoline…one would immediately spit it out. If an ounce was swallowed it would be a stomach irritant.

All this said, the concentration of the 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol would likely be small enough to avoid major health issues. In other words, the contaminant would be diluted as it moves downstream thru major rivers, such that the concentration of the chemical would be muted/diluted.

FEMA officials confirmed Dr. C's notion that the risks were not overwhelming, rather more inconveniencing. [highlight by ED]

http://www.wsaz.com/blogs/tonysblog/Elk ... 15481.html


Don't drink it, don't cook with it, don't bathe in it.....SOUNDS LIKE MORE THAN INCONVENIENCE.

Once again, FEMA is looking out for us, heh

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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:29 pm » by The57ironman


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...just drink the damn water.. :mrcool:

(this statement brought to you by the US govt.)


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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:40 pm » by Aragajag


The end of the world was supposed to be spectacular but it seems everyone is to busy just fixing shit leaking from the dam problems built up over the last couple of centuries.
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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 8:29 pm » by Thebluecanary


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Don't drink it, don't cook with it, don't bathe in it.....SOUNDS LIKE MORE THAN INCONVENIENCE.

Once again, FEMA is looking out for us, heh

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Yeah, the last article I saw about it quoted some DuPont guy as saying something to the effect of "well, it's not really toxic, you just don't want to get it on your skin or into your body." SO, fucking toxic sounds like to me.

I'm interested to see where this goes. I feel for those people. Yours is the first I've seen of any source actually revealing the name of the chemical. I've just seen/heard "the chemical." Guess they don't want people to be all googling and finding stuff out and stuff….
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PostSat Jan 11, 2014 2:52 am » by *WillEase*


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Residents of nine counties in West Virginia have been told not to use or drink their water after a chemical used by the coal industry spilled into the Elk River on Thursday. Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin declared a state of emergency as more than 100,000 customers, or 300,000 people, are without safe drinking water.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... lared?lite

“Don’t make baby formula,” said West Virginia American Water Company president Jeff McIntyre. “Don’t brush your teeth. Don’t shower. Toilet flushing only.”

The chemical, 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol (MCHM), is used to wash coal of impurities and spilled from a tank at Freedom Industries into the river. While the amount of MCHM that spilled wasn’t immediately known, West Virginia American Water has been conducting water quality testing every hour. According to Laura Jordan, a spokesperson with the water company, they believe the chemical is leaking at ground level and “there is a possibility this leak has been going on for sometime before it was discovered Thursday,” WSAZ reported.
http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Fire ... 34751.html

Local officials described MCHM as smelling like licorice and looking like “cooking oil floating on top of the water.” The West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources said symptoms of MCHM exposure include “severe burning in throat, severe eye irritation, non-stop vomiting, trouble breathing or severe skin irritation such as skin blistering.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/us/ch ... .html?_r=1

Though the spill occurred Thursday morning, West Virginia American Water didn’t provide its customers with a warning until evening and, as Al Jazeera reported, several were angered by the lack of information, particularly regarding what should be done if they had already used or ingested the water.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... erban.html

Early Friday, Tomblin announced that the White House approved a federal emergency declaration to help with the urgent water situation. Soon after the governor’s declaration on Thursday, residents flooded local stores for bottled water and disposable dishes. “It was chaos, that’s what it was,” cashier Danny Cardwell told CBS News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chemical-sp ... ly-in-wva/

West Virginia American Water has emphasized that once contaminated by MCHM, the water cannot be treated. As a result, schools in at least five of the counties will be closed Friday and hospitals, restaurants, nursing homes and other establishments in the area are also banned from using their water as the entire system is flushed out and testing continues. As of early Friday, Freedom Industries, “a full service producer of specialty chemicals for the mining, steel, and cement industries,” had yet to comment on the spill.

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PostSat Jan 11, 2014 6:04 am » by Evildweeb


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.....and its on the front page.....better late than never :flop:



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PostSat Jan 11, 2014 6:39 am » by *WillEase*


Things are getting REAL...

The Federal Emergency Management Authority has confirmed that it will deliver more than 1 million liters (264,172 gallons) of clean water to residents of the nine counties in West Virginia after a chemical used by the coal industry spilled into the Elk River on Thursday.

Approximately 300,000 people in West Virginia were told not to drink or use their water after approximately 5,000 gallons of 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol (MCHM) — a chemical used to wash coal of impurities — spilled from a tank owned by Freedom Industries. West Virginia American Water Company president Jeff McIntyre warned consumers not to use tap water for baby formula, brushing teeth, or showering. “Toilet flushing only,” he said.

The reports sent people rushing to stock up on bottled water, stripping store shelves around the area, including local Wal-Marts. Tension over the availability of clean water in the area seemed to be growing. At around 3:00pm, the Kanawha County police scanner lit up with reports of a shipment of water that was about to come in to a nearby Wal-Mart, asking for police presence while employees could restock.

“It was chaos, that’s what it was,” convenience store cashier Danny Cardwell told FoxNews.com.

Local officials have described MCHM as smelling like licorice and looking like “cooking oil floating on top of the water.” The West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources said symptoms of MCHM exposure include “severe burning in throat, severe eye irritation, non-stop vomiting, trouble breathing or severe skin irritation such as skin blistering.”

Though the spill occurred Thursday morning, West Virginia American Water didn’t provide its customers with a warning until evening and, as Al Jazeera reported, several were angered by the lack of information, particularly regarding what should be done if they had already used or ingested the water.

At a press conference Friday afternoon, West Virginia National Guard Adjutant General James Hoyer said the amount of MCHM in the water was becoming more diluted.

“There has been a reduction in the concentration in the water from two parts per million to 1.7 parts per million,” Hoyer said. “The CDC says one part per million would be an acceptable level. Point-one would be the level there they would not notice any smell or taste difference.”


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