Fluoride to be added to uk waters.

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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 3:26 pm » by Drjones


Hey guys like i said,this fluoride issue really scares me...I'm buying a water distiller today...
My current supply is NOT fluoridated but i think it is only a matter of time before they do fluoridate it.. :scary:
Here's some info on water distilling.... :flop:


http://www.durastill.com/myths.html
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 3:50 pm » by Alexrubic


Dr. J: I would be very, very careful about accepting the validity of the scientific-sounding, health-benefit promotion of distilled water from that website (a water distiller manufacturer/retailer) or that author (who is qualified in water treatment but not human health sciences)!

It is not a myth that distilled water is unhealthy to drink over the long-term and it does leach minerals from the body:

According to guidelines, Health risks from drinking demineralised water, written by F. Kozisek and published by the World Health Organisation:

Artificially-produced demineralized waters, first distilled water and later also deionized or reverse osmosis-treated water, had been used mainly for industrial, technical and laboratory purposes. These technologies became more extensively applied in drinking water treatment in the 1960's as limited drinking water sources in some coastal and inland arid areas could not meet the increasing water demands resulting from increasing populations, higher living standards, development of industry, and mass tourism. Drinking water supply was also of concern to ocean-going ships, and spaceships as well. The potential effects of totally unmineralized water had not generally been considered, since this water is not found in nature except possibly for rainwater and naturally formed ice.

Although the technology had its beginnings in the 1960's, demineralization was not widely used at that time. However, some countries focused on public health research in this field, mainly the former USSR where desalination was introduced to produce drinking water in some Central Asian cities. It was clear from the very beginning that desalinated or demineralised water without further enrichment with some minerals might not be fully appropriate for consumption. There were three evident reasons for this:

Demineralised water is highly aggressive and if untreated, its distribution through pipes and storage tanks would not be possible. The aggressive water attacks the water distribution piping and leaches metals and other materials from the pipes and associated plumbing materials.

Distilled water has poor taste characteristics.

Preliminary evidence was available that some substances present in water could have beneficial effects on human health as well as adverse effects. For example, experience with artificially fluoridated water showed a decrease in the incidence of tooth caries, and some epidemiological studies in the 1960's reported lower morbidity and mortality from some cardiovascular diseases in areas with hard water.

The possible health consequences of low mineral content water consumption are discussed in the following categories:

Direct effects on the intestinal mucous membrane, metabolism and mineral
homeostasis or other body functions.

Practically zero calcium and magnesium intake.

Low intake of other essential elements and microelements.

Loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements in prepared food.

Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals leached from water pipe.

Possible bacterial re-growth


You can download the full PDF from this link:
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutdemineralized.pdf
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 3:56 pm » by Drjones


Thanks Alex,so what you are saying that my current TAP WATER supply full of god knows what is going to be healthier for me than drinking distilled water :?: :headscratch:

I accept that there are good and bad points with most things in life,i think drinking distilled water is better than drinking tap water fluoride in it or not :?:


http://www.water-pure.co.uk/Data.html

Also the link you posted is form the "World Health Organisation"..c'mon...you also say and others :?: that distilled water leeches minerals from the body-i beg to differ-i think it will rid the body more of toxins than vital minerals..alcohol leeches minerals from the body right...people drink copious amounts of that like my uncle have little proper nutrition and he is still alive... :headscratch:
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:07 pm » by Alexrubic


drjones wrote:Thanks Alex,so what you are saying that my current TAP WATER supply full of god knows what is going to be healthier for me than drinking distilled water :?: :headscratch:

I accept that there are good and bad points with most things in life,i think drinking distilled water is better than drinking tap water fluoride in it or not :?:


http://www.water-pure.co.uk/Data.html


Aside from chlorine, which can be removed with a standard activated carbon block filter - such as those made by Brita - along with pesticide/herbicide residues and any surviving biota, the only really nasty thing likely to be still present in the water, that comes out of your tap, is fluoride (where that is artificially added by the water company at the direction of the LHA).

Naturally occurring fluoride - from the local bedrock through which the water may percolate - is perfectly safe. It is only the artificially added fluoride compounds (usually toxic waste by-products from the steel/aluminium processing industry) that are toxic to human health. If you have naturally occurring fluoride (up to the current 'officially recognised safe level'), as I do, it is unlikely that extra fluoride will be added.

You can check this via your local water authority/company website - they usually have a page where you can enter your post code and get a detailed water analysis of the water that is supplied to your tap!

Should they, indeed, add fluoride at a later date, I know of a few other options for filtration that may be healthier than distillation or reverse osmosis - but they can be pricey! When I get the time I'll PM you some links!

I don't always agree with the WHO recommendations myself but, in this case, I tend to agree with them as I have studied this question via numerous sources and nearly all agree distilled or deionised water is not healthy in long-term use and will leach minerals from the body. Water is actually the best solvent on Earth!
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:12 pm » by Drjones


Thanks Alex...I'm going to order TODAY so be quick with the links :lol: ...what about this... :?:

2. I heard that distilled water is leeches minerals from the body, is this true?

It is unsure where this myth came from, but it is not based upon any scientific fact and is literally a lie. It is presumed that it was a rumour started by an individual or company with vested interests (possibly a manufacturer of an alternative filter or purifier).

'Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not "leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure. Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body’s acid/base balance'. - Dr Andrew Weil

"Distilled water has an inherent quality. Acting almost like a magnet, it picks up rejected, discarded, and unusable minerals and, assisted by the blood and the lymph, carries them to the lungs and kidneys for elimination from the body. The statement that distilled water leaches minerals from the body has no basis in fact. It doesn't leach out minerals that have become part of the cell structure. It can't and won't. It collects only minerals that have already been rejected or excreted by the cells...To suggest that distilled water takes up minerals from foods so that the body derives no benefit from them is absurd." - Harvey & Marilyn Diamond, Fit for Life II: Living Health

3. Isn't distilled water void of minerals that my body needs?

Another popular myth. The simple fact is that the human body can only use and absorb certain types of minerals (organic as opposed to inorganic) and only from certain sources. The human body is designed to get it's minerals from foods, not from water and so the best thing we can do for our water is make it as pure from toxins and chemicals as possible.

While it is true that the process of distillation removes certain minerals from the water it is highly unlikely that any of the beneficial minerals could be used by the body. Research has shown that the body is unlikely to be able to absorb the minerals from water and one study has even claimed that you would have to drink over 650 eight-ounce glasses of tap water to reach the Recommended Daily Allowance for calcium. The fact that distillation makes water 100% pure should not be of concern.

"The body’s need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking water." - American Medical Journal

"The minerals which the human body needs that are in the water are insignificant to those in food… and anyone simply eating a varied diet, not even a balanced diet, could hardly suffer a mineral deficiency." - Dr. Henry A. Schroeder, Dartmouth Medical School

"The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals. All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be eliminated. Distilled water is the only water that can be taken into the body without any damage to the tissues." - Dr. Allen E. Banik, The Choice is Clear
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:17 pm » by Alexrubic


drjones wrote:Research has shown that the body is unlikely to be able to absorb the minerals from water and one study has even claimed that you would have to drink over 650 eight-ounce glasses of tap water to reach the Recommended Daily Allowance for calcium.


I think you are falling for disinformation. If the above is really true, then your body cannot absorb the fluoride (an inorganic mineral) from the fluoridated water you drink! Therefore the 'fluoridators' are wasting their time adding to water to help reduce dental caries and protesters are wasting their time worrying about it because the body won't absorb it for it to become toxic!
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:22 pm » by Drjones


alexrubic wrote:
drjones wrote:Research has shown that the body is unlikely to be able to absorb the minerals from water and one study has even claimed that you would have to drink over 650 eight-ounce glasses of tap water to reach the Recommended Daily Allowance for calcium.


I think you are falling for disinformation. If the above is really true, then your body cannot absorb the fluoride (an inorganic mineral) from the fluoridated water you drink! Therefore the 'fluoridators' are wasting their time adding to water to help reduce dental caries and protesters are wasting their time worrying about it because the body won't absorb it for it to become toxic!



I'd have to disagree with you m8,thanks for rushing me the links :oops: :hmmm:

The quote says "unlikely"..so i take that as meaning yes a little bit of absorbing goes on...and with fluoride then THAT would obviously be enough... :look:
And the fluoride they add is'nt exactly the same stuff we find in nature is it...
Anyway if distilling DOES leech some minerals from my body i really do not think i will notice as my diet is varied and nutritious :flop:


I'm not ordering just quite yet though.. :think:
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:42 pm » by Alexrubic


Fine. Ignore my advice. Let me know how you get on with the taste and long-term health effects of drinking distilled water! :bang;
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:49 pm » by Drjones


alexrubic wrote:Fine. Ignore my advice. Let me know how you get on with the taste and long-term health effects of drinking distilled water! :bang;


Chill-out m8..i was looking forward to the links. :shock:
And with regards to me driking distilled water i would also be drinking quality bottled water too,the brand i know has NO fluoride in it :flop: at the moment i drink the tap water filtered with my Brita cartridges...but if my supply does get fluoridated then thats where the distilled water would come in.....

Now the links please :oops: :mrgreen:
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PostThu Mar 05, 2009 4:55 pm » by Drjones


Thanks Slush... :flop: :think:
Bloody Alex is online and then offline then online then offline...what's he doing :?: :lol:
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